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Like many others who have briefly called Vancouver their home, former Be Good Tanyas member Jolie Holland's memories of our fair city are now little more than a hazy green blur.
The devil in Miss Jolie Holland
The Living and the Dead is a gorgeous triumph for Jolie Holland, but she still battles insecurity
For reasons that have everything to do with the demon within, Jolie Holland doesn't hear an artist hitting a high-water mark when she listens to The Living and the Dead. Instead, the 32-year-old Texas-born nomad zeroes in on the heavy hitters who, along with producer Shahzad Ismaily, are partly responsible for making her third studio album one of the year's most gorgeous triumphs.
"What I hear is the beautiful musicians on the record," Holland says, on the line from Portland, Oregon, where members of her touring band reside. "I hear the Marc Ribot solo on ‘Palmyra' and it totally blows my mind. The beautiful textures of M. Ward on ‘Mexico City', where he's playing pretty much all the guitars. I'll listen to ‘Fox in Its Hole' and think about the lyrical percussion that Shahzad is playing. That's kind of what it is for me on my records-I think about other people."
Tellingly, Holland seems unable to process the fact that she's the real star of The Living and the Dead, which in no way diminishes the contributions of collaborators like Ward and long-time Tom Waits sideman Ribot. That won't surprise those who have followed her career since the release of her 2003 bedroom-session debut, Catalpa. Over the course of the past half-decade, Holland has been acclaimed as a true visionary, an artist whose major fanboys range from hip-hop oddball Sage Francis to legendary iconoclast Waits. But even as the critics have gushed, with 2006's breakthrough Springtime Can Kill You making more than one top-10 list, the singer has had trouble believing her own press.
For that, you can blame what she calls "the demon". Like many of us (whether we admit it or not), Holland often finds herself at war with the self-doubting monster within. And, like many of us, there are days when that monster goes on the kind of rampage from which the only escape is reaching for the bottle or curling up in the fetal position.
"My friends tell me all the time, ‘No fucking way, no fucking way—you are not thinking that,' " Holland says. "So, yeah, I have friends who are definitely blown away at how insecure I am. Because of that, it [the praise] doesn't affect me. The demon doesn't speak that language. It can be eating my guts, and it's like you might as well be yelling ‘Stop' at it in German. It's like, ‘What? Bon appétit.' So that Tom Waits likes my music—I can't digest that. I still get really bummed out by dumb shit."
In + out
Jolie Holland sounds off on the things that enquiring minds want to know.
On the business of making music: "There used to be just singers. Loretta Lynn wrote a couple of songs, but she was just a singer. Same with Johnny Cash. Now people are not only supposed to be a songwriter and a singer and a great performer and a bandleader, but they also have to be okay with getting their picture taken and interviews and all that stuff. You're also expected to produce. It's funny what it's all turned into."
On vices: "Even though I'm off caffeine, I still freak out in the morning. But I guess I'm like one of those smokers who doesn't smoke, yet is always going, ‘Um, hey—you got a cigarette?' I'm always drinking other people's coffee."
On dealing with backing musicians: "One thing I learned from Springtime is keeping things open so that other people can add things to the songs. Then all you have to do is go, ‘No, we need more Björk—make it weirder.' So I don't get attached to any particular presentation of the songs."


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