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Marc Emery (pictured with his wife, Jodie) says mandatory minimum sentencing for drug offences is a “failed policy” in the U.S.

Bill C-15 could fill Canadian prisons with drug offenders

Will Bill C-15 kill the twin scourge of illegal drugs and gang violence?


Libby Davies
NDP MP, Vancouver East

“There’s a lot of information, both in the United States and in Canada, that shows that mandatory minimum sentencing regimes for drug offences are ineffective. This is all about window-dressing for the Conservatives’ crime agenda. They want to impress people with their tough-on-crime approach. One thing that will happen is that it could very much overcrowd our prisons. We find the bill to be misdirected and based on a very faulty premise. It’s based on the U.S.’s war on drugs, which has been a complete failure.”


Ed Fast
Conservative MP, Abbotsford

“What Bill C-15 does is it’s connecting the sale of drugs to aggravating factors. If there’s a sale or production or growing of drugs that occurs and violence is present, we will put those guys behind bars. But we also want to make sure that low-level dealers that are dealing in drugs simply because they’re addicted can actually get the help that they deserve. We believe it’s a balanced approach. We’re not going after the marijuana users. We’re going after the guys who really present an ongoing danger to our community.”


Ujjal Dosanjh
Liberal MP, Vancouver South

“Bill[s] C-14 and [C-]15? We have said that we’ll support both of them. We agree with tougher penalties for serious and violent and chronic offenders. But that alone isn’t going to do the job. That’s why we believe this government is failing significantly in their drive to deal with the issue of crime. They’re failing Canadians because they’re not emphasizing crime-preventing, they’re not providing resources for youth programs, they’re not providing actual police officers on the ground, [and] they’re not providing prosecutors.”


Adrianne Carr
Deputy leader, Green Party of Canada

“The Green party doesn’t support mandatory sentencing because it has proven to not work. It’s coming from this tough-on-crime perspective. What we’ve seen is that our court system wastes extraordinarily high resources in prosecuting the petty criminals involved in drug cases, particularly marijuana. We should be legalizing marijuana, which has been suggested by the Senate of Canada and the Fraser Institute, and these are hardly radical institutions. What we have to do is delink the profit motive from drugs.”

On March 2, the Pew Center on the States, a Washington, D.C.–based think tank, released a report on the staggering growth of the American correctional system.

Entitled One in 31: The Long Reach of American Corrections, the report noted that “sentencing and release laws passed in the 1980s and 1990s put so many more people behind bars that last year the incarcerated population reached 2.3 million and, for the first time, one in 100 adults was in prison or jail.”

It also cited the tremendous increase in the number of people on probation or parole, such that “combined with those in prison and jail, a stunning 1 in every 31 adults, or 3.2 percent, is under some form of correctional control.”

Why is this relevant to Canada?

“We only need to go south of the border and see a nation that enacted mandatory minimums related to drug offences from the mid-1980s on,” criminologist Susan Boyd told the Georgia Straight. “It didn’t reduce violence and drug use. So here we are saying, ‘We’re going to do this.’ ”

Boyd—an associate professor at UVic and research fellow at the Centre for Addictions Research of B.C.—was referring to the reintroduction in Parliament by the Conservative government of a bill that proposes mandatory minimum jail sentences for drug offenders.

If passed into law, Bill C-15 would, among its other provisions, throw people caught with one marijuana plant into the slammer for a minimum of six months. If growing a single plant is done on a property that belongs to another person or in an area where it may present a hazard to children, minimum jail time is nine months.

Worse, the bill seeks to increase the maximum penalty for this particular offence to 14 years.

Vancouver’s so-called Prince of Pot, Marc Emery, who is fighting extradition on charges of selling marijuana seeds to American growers, is a potential U.S. prison statistic.

Emery was handing out leaflets condemning drug prohibition, along with his wife, Jodie, on the south side of the city when the Straight asked him about Bill C-15. “Anything that puts more people in jail for drugs is going to fill prisons,” he said. “It’s a very expensive and failed policy that will only bring us more misery.”

The Pew Center on the States report pointed out that many states in the U.S. “appear to have reached a ‘tipping point’ where additional incarceration will have little if any effect on crime”.

In Washington state, which shares a border with B.C., the report stated, “from 1980 to 2001, the benefit-to-cost ratio for drug offenders plummeted from $9.22 to $0.37.

“That is, for every one dollar invested in new prison beds for drug offenders, state taxpayers get only 37 cents in averted crime,” it noted. “An updated analysis from 2006 found that incarceration of offenders convicted of violent offenses remained a positive net benefit, while property and drug offenders offered negative returns.”

Conservative Abbotsford MP Ed Fast deflected criticism that mandatory jail times haven’t worked in the U.S.

“First of all, on the issue of deterrence there’s contradicting evidence,” Fast told the Straight. “I don’t base my support for the legislation on the deterrent effect. I base it on the prophylactic effect of the legislation. Prophylactic means taking repeat, violent offenders out of our communities for longer periods of time.”

Bill C-15 is a reincarnation of Bill C-26, which the Conservatives introduced in November 2007.

In February 2008, a few months after Bill C-26 was tabled in Parliament, Boyd started sending Prime Minister Stephen Harper a weekly letter in an attempt to educate the Conservative leader about harm reduction and drug regulation.

Boyd did this for a year, and she sent her 52nd and final letter in early February this year. Bill C-15 was introduced on February 27, a day after the Conservatives filed Bill C-14, which toughens penalties for gang-associated violent activities.

As an educator, Boyd has this to say about mentoring Harper: “The prime minister gets a failing grade on drug policy.”

The economics of prisons in Canada

> Total correctional-services expenditures in 2005-06: almost $3 billion

> Share spent on custodial services or prisons: 71 percent

> Associated policing and court costs in 2005-06: more than $10 billion

> Number of correctional facilities in Canada in 2005-06: 192

> Annual cost of incarcerating a federal female prisoner in
2004-05: $150,000 to $250,000

> Annual cost of incarcerating a federal male prisoner in 2004-05: $87,665

> Daily cost of incarcerating a provincial prisoner in 2004-05: $141.78

> Daily cost of alternatives such as probation, bail supervision,
and community supervision: $5 to $25

Source: prisonjustice.ca

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jeffc
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A few years ago Vancouver's police chief suggested that the city would turn a blind eye to activities such as growing a marijuana plant or two in one's home (a plant or two, not a grow op). Now the Conservative Party is moving legislation which would carry a six month minimum sentence for doing that. Ed Fast's comment that "We’re not going after the marijuana users. We’re going after the guys who really present an ongoing danger to our community" is contradicted by the presence of a minimum sentence for one single plant. This is not enlightened legislation. The Liberal Party should not support this Bill.
 
renegademag
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Living in the US I can tell you that NO ONES behavior will change with this law. This is a law that sounds good but the details are horrible. Ed Fast "If there’s a sale or production or growing of drugs that occurs and violence is present, we will put those guys behind bars"

What if there isn't any violence? It seems to me that the law says if you own a plant regardless of violence you'll be sent through a system with no appeal or understanding. My brother spent 16 months in Federal Prison because of Mandatory Minimums. He had NEVER once been in trouble and he had bought Sudafed. When confronted by police in a parking lot he admitted he bought it to give to a friend to make meth. That's all he did and then spent 16 months in prison for that. I'm not sure how anyone can look at the American system and say "Looks good to me". There is NO evidence that mandatory minimums stop anything. How many people are debating the possible legal outcomes of their behavior? How many stoners have an attorney to advise them on legal issues everyday all day? No one even knows what the consequences are until it happens so how can they be deterred? If it's any sign of what happened in the US it's a shift to a brutal dehumanizing system designed to punish not correct. And a final note to the supporters, US states are reversing their failed mandatory minimums, see New York State for evidence of it's failure. Canada, be a better country and use our failure as your lesson.
 
debhay@shaw.ca
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In the words of Dr. Gabor Mate, "This is not a War on Drugs, this is a War on the Drug user". Harper's plan of action is to line his pockets while creating oppressive social housing. Perhaps the prisons can have work camps that produces 'Say no to Drugs' t-shirts to rehabilitate the vilified citizen, and remind everyone that the social fabric is made by old school government.
 
Valborg
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The people who are supplying themselves are not financially supporting all the organized gangs growing marijuana for everyone else. As for the war on drugs, what about all the nasty prescription drugs people take that have very negative side effects and often lead to use of hard drugs.
 
prettyclassy
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People are going to realize very soon who's side the government really is on and their not going to be happy when their son just got jailed, life ruined, over being caught smoking a jay on a sunny day in the park. If marijuana was legal I'd never drink alcohol and I'd be a much healthier person. With the way the economy is changing, it could be a great way to create jobs and stimulate the economy by taxing it, and think of the tourism. Marijuana will turn angry violent alcoholics into peaceful contemplative members of society, perhaps the kind of people that actually think of what's going on around them as opposed to being mindless worker drones, maybe that's why the government doesn't want to legalize it. My friends and I have been caught by cops a couple times, and they will take it and say "I have no problem with you smoking this at home", if that's the case, why can't I go to a bar, watch the hockey game, and smoke a joint?

Legalization will never happen, and people will realize that democracy is a scam. If the bottom line is money, then it would appear to me that someone is getting bought off to keep it illegal, because the price of marijuana would go down if it were legal. Wouldn't surprise me to learn these politicians are just puppets for gangs and corporations.
 
fatherhood
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Why are we not addressing the fact that the American College of Physicans has sent it's own position paper to the American administration asking for the re-classification of marijuana? They have seen the benefit THC has shown when it was administered to cancer patients. A 50% reduction in cancerous tumors. Even they are being denied access to what they describe as research grade marijuana.

Do you really believe the ACP would attach their name to marijuana if it were not so.

How much "safer" will Canadians feel as teachers, doctors, politicians, carpenters and on and on go to prison for as little as 1 plant.

We already have seen what mandatory minimum sentences have done to the Americans. 30 plus years, and 100's of billions of dollars later, nothing was achieved. Now they are repealing these same laws that have shown to be a complete failure. THIS IS NOT A BILL MENT FOR A CARTEL, it will however cost smoker and non-smoker alike, millions apon millions to enforce and prosecute.

How sad, that as the Americans begin a real conversation on the topic of marijuana reform, we go backward. How is it that this government, chooses to ignore scientists, economists, and criminologists, and foremost, the failed model of a 30 year old war on drugs in the United States in favor of fooling Canadians that this policy will somehow have a different outcome here.

I have no words to decribe how hopeless I feel as a Canadian under the Harper administration. The only harm created, as the plant has been proven basically harmless, no addiction, no chance of overdose, no gateway drug, is from the ideology that continues to surround it, and the way in which Stephen Harper chooses to punish anyone who uses it.

I fear for the research that will be put off for years, and feel completely hopeless for all the lives that will be destroyed by these insane policies.

Where are we going and what have we become. I can only hope that reason and common sense prevail, but if the Liberals continue to back such foolishness, we will just have to foot the cost, ruin the wrong lives and come to our senses after we like America have wasted 100's of millions of much needed dollars.:
 
Pedron
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I support the decriminalization of marijuana, and possibly other drugs as well. However, I do not think that marijuana use is necessarily harmless. A friend of mine who has smoked pot for almost 40 years recently had an severe allergic reaction after smoking a joint. She broke out in painful hives and is now on strong steroid medication and antihistamines to keep the inflammation down. We all differ in our physiological makeup and for some people this substance is a health risk. What we need is a sober and realistic approach to drugs such as marijuana so that people can make an informed decision as to whether they should use this drug or not. The current climate is polarized between two opposing factions, each side representing an extreme view that does not properly take into account the merits or dangers of marijuana use. We need the laws changed to decriminalize this substance, but we as well need a campaign to educate the public as to the potential consequences of its use. BTW, are those allergic shiners under Mark Emery's eyes?
 
Sir Les
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It's all about Big Oil, Big MONEY, And pointing the finger at a select group, to make police have something to do with their pittiful lives...

Here is why I say this...Marijuana and hemp are a fuel source that is renewable and easily grown in vast amounts under hydroponics, which could solve the problem of Global warming,
Growing it comsumes c02, and makes oxygen, while it feeds the animals good healthy food, which results in healthy animals, and then our food chain is also healthier!
it filters the waters, and soils, and adds a mycellium to the soil to make a fine nitted connection to all plants.
And in that they control the soils bacteria and viruses, so the enviroments are safer!

And finally Ethanol, a renewable resource tha can be made from hemp and marijuana!...which stands to be far better/cleaner burning than fossil fuels!

In the days of liquide gasses, alcohols, solar energy, and kenetics...why can't Canada make a eco friendly vehicle?
Because they got their heads stuck up The United States Ass!

Bill c-15 and any other bill that removes a Gift God has Given us to use wisely, is anti God, Anti Christ, Anti Eden!!!!!
Sir Les
 
p
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If the government was truly after the drug cartels, they would leave the laws as they are, or completely legalize marijuana. But they're not after the cartels, they're after average Canadians. Honestly, if every Canadian who smoked marijuana was arrested, there would not be enough "free" citizens to pay Stevie's wages. Passing bill C-15 will not change people's attitudes. If the people want to smoke marijuana, they will continue to do so. All this bill will do is make more criminals, and put more money in the pockets of the drug dealers. Our only hope is if the senate truly believes marijuana should be legalized, they will not let this senseless piece of legislation pass.
 
smokey
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Harper is an asshole. But if the Liberals back him on this I'm never voting for them again.
 
I am, that I am
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Most people I know are productive, intelligent, pay taxes, support their community in a variety of ways, have family and friends, think about the world while trying to find answers to the social issues facing planet Earth as a whole...And, oh my GOD, they-we smoke marijuana. What are we to do-put them all in jail? Would that not cost us all more at the end of the day?

Other people I know, including myself, have lived with chronic pain for years-being pumped by pharma drugs that have made trillions for drug corporations and are addictive and have shown to be destructive in people's lives....but that's ok???

Smoking weed has shown to reduce stress-related illnesses, mediate the destruction of a variety of cancers, reduce the symptom caused by cancer treatments, multiple schlerosis or parkinson..and the list really does go on. Aside from the medical benefits there are many productive uses that would assist our Earth as mentioned in previous comments. And like the very early days-before we had talking movies-weed was demonized via the media propaganda called " Reefer Madness" for the sole purpose of preventng folks via fear tactics from knowing the gifts this easily grown plant provides and thus control the use of it. Heaven forbid that the pharmacuetical, textile, paper and whatever other industry may loose a buck or two. It's these industries or rather their puppet masters that are calling the shots here folks. Seems to me history is repeating itself in spite of the fact that it didn't do any good back then either. The money spent on trying to control this specific drug use is almost funny, when legalizing it would be beneficial for all concerned as it would hugely remove the criminal factor.

Lately in and around town, there have been many people getting busted for pot, so the supply has dried up somewhat. Yet in it's place there is now an abundance of harsher replacements like cocaine and who knows what-this really makes no sense at all. Or does it? I've researched drug use as part of my university education and how odd it was to discover that drugs were released to people by governments in the first place and LSD is the perfect example of this. How is that for food for thought?

I oppose B-C15 implementation and encourage others to write to their government representatives and say "no" this is not the answer. Again history tells us via the prohibition era that making it illegal will only increase the criminal factor our foolish conservative government is saying they want to elliminate. Well Mr. Harper, if you really want to deal with the issue effectively, then just legalize it and move on to something really important. If this is the direction our country is heading in, then what is next? I fear for us all!

thanks for reading.
I am, that I am
 
B .P
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never again will i vote for a liberal
 
Barbara
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As an American, I can tell you that our systems are entirely flawed and provide no justice to anyone, especially when it comes to the "war on drugs". All it really is, is a government initiated war on its own people. We sit here wallowing in our fears of a recession, when they could take a big bite out of our nations debt just by legalizing marijuana and taxing the sale or production of it, instead of PAYING to put MORE people behind bars for rediculous reasons involving the substance. They tried the same tactics during prohibition, and look how that ended? If they were smart, they would legalize it soon, as they are simply deepening the debt and overcrowding our prisons with petty "criminals" when they could be providing a solution to both these issues. I'm sure the reason they have not legalized it yet is because of their close ties with the Tobacco industry, which kills more people each year than ANY other drug (same with alcohol), but makes them tons of money (which of course my people never see) and they are afraid that pot will overrun tobacco sales. Its sad really, to think that a country which was founded on independence and freedom has now become a country of absurd statutes controlled by an irrational, tyrannical and totalitarian government. GOD SAVE US!
 
Terry
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The government will never learn. Their idiotic policies are only wasting more and more money. Guess what, I get high and hurt no one in the process. In fact, EVERY SINGLE person I know is or has been a long-time toker. They all have jobs, all have homes, all have good relationships with their friends and families...some are teachers, some are WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT. In fact, I frequently smoke up with a few nurses. Are they bad people because of it? Are they lazy and unproductive? The answer is no. Which should be the answer on this bill.

My faith in this government and law enforcement has been brought down to a critical level. It's sad when they are willing to piss their pants over a couple doobies, while the cops where I live shrugged off my friend having his credit card stolen and maxed out, because he's a kid and "theres nothing they could do".

I'm going to continue to smoke pot whether or not this Bill is passed. And yes, I'll continue to smoke it with people over and under the ages of 18. It's a war that they are continuing to fight and won't ever win... it's a fucking plant! It can grow in different situations! It will continue to grow until long after we're all dead! So give up! S.W.E.D!
 
f. gerard
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i am disgusted and outraged by our CONservative government

Harper's spineless neocons should have said NO to the Americans, but instead, we allow US DEA agents to setup shop and operate within OUR country... continuing their asinine WAR on drugs (the Americans have WARS on EVERYTHING!). I'm done with the US... the Americans can go straight to hell, I will NEVER go to that country again.

Marc Emery is an upstanding CANADIAN, who has provided employment for people in his community and he PAID HIS TAXES (from seed sales) to the Canadian government! what bloody hypocrites!!! Mr Emery does NOT deserve to be sent to jail.

UGH, I *HATE* THE HARPER REGIME!
 
Carlos
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Has the bill passed yet?
 
tom woods
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This is insane! what about all the people that use pot for an illness? You all make some good points...but what about the economy? british columbia's 2nd biggest industry is growing pot. pot! it never killed anyone, its a plant. what about the 1000000000's of people that die each year because of alcohol?????? I guess harper is an alcoholic. anyway my point is this bill will only ruin lives and the economy. somthing must be done to stop this.
THE PRICE OF POT WILL ALSO GO UP CAUSING MORE PROBLEMS.
 
ElectroPig Von Fökkengrüüven
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For those who find this interesting, but who haven't honestly looked into the FACTS surrounding the cannabis issue as a whole, or for those who have merely only heard the negative propaganda issued by government and lawmakers--without respect to the truth--and who might want to become TRULY informed, I suggest the following links:

How and Why Cannabis became illegal in the first place:
http://JackHerer.com

Cannabis as a cure for cancer, among other "diseases":
http://PhoenixTears.ca
http://PhoenixTearsMovie.com <=- FREE DVD (Downloadable)

General Cannabis Information:
http://NORML.org
http://NORML.ca
http://MPP.org

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition:
http://LEAP.cc

Yes, that's right...COPS who understand the truth about prohibition, and want to see it stopped! (They're not all bad!)

The Reverend Eddy Lepp:
http://eddylepp.com

Reverend Lepp was sentenced recently for helping to provide LEGAL cannabis patients with LEGALLY GROWN medical cannabis, all under the LEGAL MEDICAL CANNABIS LAWS of his state of California.

There are MANY facets of this situation which are NOT being told to you!

Why is it that the US Government is the main source of cannabis prosecutions, all based on the idea that cannabis is a "schedule 1 drug" because it "has no accepted medical uses" despite the major and glaring facts that:

1) 13 (or more) US states have found medical benefits, and have allowed medical use for the purposes of medical treatment of known conditions, for cannabis' known benefits towards those conditions.

2) The US government has filed patents on cannabis compounds (a natural compound, or part thereof, is not normally patentable by anyone else) more than a DECADE ago, and has known the entire time that CANNABIS HAS MEDICAL BENEFITS, AND MANY MEDICAL USES!

Take those two points alone, and you will see that the US government not only knows of Cannabis' medical uses, but they are both prosecuting people for having it, selling it, growing it, or using it, while they are filing medical patents to protect their cannabis-related income stream once the people find out that they have been perjuring themselves with each and every cannabis-related prosecution!

And now Canada has decided to adopt the USA's failed "jail everyone and that will fix the problem" approach?

When will Canadian politicians learn that when something fails everywhere else on the planet, it will NOT suddenly "magically start working because the failures have now been brought to Canada."

For those out there who believe that you are not smart enough to decide this question for yourselves, please, feel free to sign all your rights away to your nearest politician and live in whatever bubble world they will ship you to. As for me, and the remainder of the "thinking public" I prefer to make my own decisions based on FACTS, and not propaganda or any other form of indoctrination.
 
James
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Man this is such a divisive article, OK they want to impose minimum sentaencing...true.... but for what?

(3) The following factors must be taken into
account in applying paragraphs (2)(a) to (b):


(a) the person used real property that belongs to a third party in committing the offence;
(b) the production constituted a potential security, health or safety hazard to persons under the age of 18 years who were in the location where the offence was committed or in the immediate area;


(c) the production constituted a potential public safety hazard in a residential area; or


(d) the person set or placed a trap, device or other thing that is likely to cause death or bodily harm to another person in the location where the offence was committed or in the immediate area, or permitted such a trap, device or other thing to remain or be placed in that location or area.


OK SO IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE THE MARIJUANA PARTY IS PROMOTING THEIR RIGHT TO HAVE LARGE SCALE COMMERCIAL GROWERS PROTECT THERE PROPERTY WITH WEAPONS, and to have kids around when you smoke dope, ming you, that ones upto the parents, but ya, to many people are idiots and go to big to fast on ops, and quite honestly are not the best electricians. this bill just says ok , if you dont want minimum sentence, heres the deal....no kids under 18 live in OP, no danger to the local area is acceptable (hire an electrician) and keep it under 201 plants,


, im gonna go talk to them today, ive met emery on a few occasions and hes definatly a man who is willing to engage in good old fashioned debate, hopefully without the straw man
 
Concerned Canadian
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Now lets just think about this

One in every 25 deaths worldwide can be linked to diseases or injuries related to alcohol consumption, concludes a Canadian-led study, which equates the libation's burden of harm to that of smoking tobacco almost a decade ago.

In 2004, the most recent year for which global statistics are available, 3.8 per cent of all deaths were attributable to alcohol (6.3 per cent for men and 1.8 per cent for women), the study found.

Most of the deaths blamed on booze result from injuries, cancer, cardiovascular disease, liver disorders like cirrhosis and violence.

TOBACCO, from the Health Canada web site
More than 37,000 people will die prematurely this year in Canada due to tobacco use. Unless they quit, up to half of all smokers will die from their smoking, most of them before their 70th birthday and only after years of suffering a reduced quality of life.
The average smoker will die about eight years earlier than a similar non-smoker. There is strong scientific evidence that smoking is related to more than two dozen diseases and conditions. Fortunately, most of these start to reverse after a smoker quits smoking.

All smokers are at extra risk for
Coronary heart disease (e.g., heart attacks)
Peripheral vascular disease (circulatory problems)
Aortic aneurysm
High blood pressure
High cholesterol (LDL)
Lung cancer
Cancer of the mouth, throat and voice box
Cancer of the pancreas
Cancer of the kidney, and urinary bladder
Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD)
Chronic bronchitis
Emphysema
Pneumonia
Influenza (the "flu")
The common cold
Peptic ulcers
Chronic bowel disease (Crohn's Disease)
Tooth decay (cavities)
Gum disease
Osteoporosis
Sleep problems (falling asleep inappropriately and/or frequent waking)
Cataracts
Thyroid disease (Grave's Disease)
There is some scientific evidence that smoking may also be related to cancer of the large intestine and leukemia. In addition to various diseases, smoking also causes the skin to wrinkle and create the appearance of premature aging. Smoking also reduces the sense of smell and taste.

Now with very little evidence people can argue how bad marijuana might be all they want but when you look at all the facts MARIJUANA has NOT one recorded death EVER. This Country must be insane for continuing this war on marijuana.
If people need some form of extra relaxant it is so obvious that Marijuana if used is the very,very least drug to be concerned about.

O and buy the way if there is such a thing as gateway drugs, Tobacco and Alcohol are the drugs first used.

Possesion and growing for personal use should not be illegal it should be encouraged.

Holly Shit people just think about the facts.




 
Olyver
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Jury Nullification is the best defense if this law is passed. You have the right not to convict, but to acquit if you feel the punishment is unjust.
 
sean
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lol, here we go again! make it a greater offence and the demand as well as street value goes up!, the little guys get scared and pull out! then the "professionals" or "carefull" growers make a fortune! seen it when the USA brought in the millitary onto vancouver island to help with the outdoor crops! just by being there they drove the demand through the roof and made many people very wealthy! I dont mean a couple hundred thousand wealthy, i mean into the millions! then they launder there money by investing into small business and other pointless indevours!
it would seem that the greater the risk becomes, just makes it all the more profitable!, makes it easier for one person to unload 40 to 50 lbs of BC bud without even haveint to transport it anywhere!
 
sean
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there are many other more effective ways to drive the growers out of business! for example, in the 70's scientist came up with a strain of hemp that has "zero" THC count, whats more is the fact that what ever it breeds with also looses that gene! He stated that by dumping these geniticaly modified seeds from planes would flood any area with a nasty "weed" that would render any local's (within 15km away) grow show useless! it would contaminate thier stock and future stock plants, meaning that they would have to spend thousands of dollars to build clean rooms with enviornment filtering systems "not an easy task!"
why dosnt the government deal with the problem with these any many other proven methodes? easy! some howw they stand to gain from it, they use it to justify actions and or cause! its a scape goat and allways has been! unlike tobacco and alcohole, pot is a weed and can be successfully grown by a "brown thumb dummy!" it dosnt require expensive processing or cureing like other controlled substances! meaning they cant actually tax or profit from it! i mean, who would want gov pot if the dude down the street has far stronger smoke for half the price? i wouldnt drink his home made beer cuz its just crap but i would smoke his weed!
 
sean
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lol, never vote liberal?; 6 years ago i decided to never vote again, period! it's a stupid waste of my time! I would rather watch femminin hygene commercials on late night TV then to consider any of the bullshit they try to jam down your throat! lie,lie, lie and cover it up with a huge lie! it's a big dumb bag full of stupid!
 
Lindy
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If everyone who wanted to smoke pot could grow a plant or two for their own consumption, they wouldn't need to buy it from a drug dealer, which would in turn put the gangs and drug cartels for this product, totally out of business. But what is Harper doing? He's setting things up so that they can actually make more money, due to the laws of supply and demand; less supply, demand stays the same, therefore the price goes up!! I thought he was an ECONOMIST!! That is a very basic law of economics and he seems to have forgotten it.

Like one of the other posts says here, most people we know smoke a bit of pot, and it doesn't matter what their profession is, lawyers, doctors, judges, cops; does he want 3/4 of the population put in jail? Who will earn money from jobs to pay for the jails if they are all locked up? He is so stupid it makes me sick!
 
Daniel Johnson
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One poll after another for a decade has shown that a majority of Canadians want marijuana legalized. For them to introduce legislation cracking down harder on it undermines this country's democratic charactar and is tantamount to treason.
 
Mike G
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This article is full of disinformation, it's as if the reporter hasn;t actually read the law as proposed. There would only be minimum senteces where there was an intent to disripute and the number of plants exceeded 5:

(b) if the subject matter of the offence is cannabis (marihuana), is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term of not more than 14 years, and to a minimum punishment of
(i) imprisonment for a term of six months if the number of plants produced is less than 201 and more than five, and the production is for the purpose of trafficking,

get a clue before making thesekinds of sensational headlines....
 
An Election "Will Kill Bill" C-15
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Someone said name one good reason to call a fall election: It will Kill Bill C-15.
 
jonny walker
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yippee we are becoming americanized , here comes the north american union. i also wanted to point out to the the person who said this is why democracy dosn't work that this isn't a democracy, hasn't been a democracy in years , this is capitalism and has been for ever . in a democracy the people have a voice not just an elected offical that carrys on the same policy's of it's predicessors because they are all funded by the same business.
 
stonner 4 life
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Bill C-15 is the begining of a war against the marijuana culture and this war must be stopped.
In honner November 1st say yes to a $5 doller coin with a poppy on it.
SWED
 
University Student
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I am a geophysics major at a high ranking University. I smoked weed at least twice a day in my first year, at least twice a week in my second year, and still try and keep it up at twice a week now in my third year. My GPA is over 3.0 / 4.0, I worked two jobs this summer while trying to get ahead in my degree by taking an extra course. I also volunteered on my lunch hours and often before or after work. Lets throw me in jail for a few years though because I enjoy relaxing with a nice bowl every few days before bed.
 
non smoker
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I support C-14 and C-15. If this increases the prison population, we can build more prisons. Potheads cannot be rehabilitated because they don't think they are doing anything wrong.
 
A "not so proud: canadian
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think about how many politicians have invested in the lumber or oil industry...this whole thing is about money..if they ever legalize, i will have so much faith in our government...but until then our government is bullshit
 
neo
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The future reality of Bill C-15

http://www.cannabisculture.com/v2/content/nys-rockefeller-drug-law-refor...
 
ADY
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Too bad the increase of autism in children today don't review the lifestyle habits of both natural parents and their grandparents habits. Pot is fat soluble and goes into the reproduction fat cells, developing eggs and the sperm. Could there be a connection of missing organs or smller organs and the increase of autism. The natural parents would fear to admit their choices they said was harmless. Ignorance is bliss along with doctors seeking plaacenta blood also causing a contributing factor, weaker infants who can be tested anemic. visit www.lotusbirth.com Petition protect babies and mothers too, visit www.medicalveritas.com see free articles how birth; see www.cordclamp.com Try to think about prevention as much it counts on you.
 
Lydia
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This bill gets passed, and I am permanently leaving this fascist country that I was born and raised in. Liberals and Conservatives make me sick - they're just as bad the moronic republicans of the US.
 
Richard Laframobise
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The last thing we need is such a bill because we should continue to strengthen our own Countries beliefs and policies on Drug Laws and enforcement. Minimum mandatory centencing has been found to be unjust and it has been proven not to work. In my opinion the type of drug should have an impact on the sentence for the concequences the drug has on people. I myself have a possession licence for medicinal marijuana and believe that it should be legalized to a certain degree but if mandatory sentencing is needed it shoudl be broken down by drug and by offense, as well as quantity. Not lumped up into one group so someone who sold pot get the same penalty for someone who sold crack. One drug is extremely harmfull in all ways and the other has merit in hundreds of different aspects of life. Believe me when I say that people should be informed as to what good and bad affects a drug should have. Most people still believe that pot only has bad effects which is delusional since the good that pot can produce is 10 time greater than any damage it can create.
 
ancient clown
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Blessings:

We must understand that this type of legislation is based on greedy stupidity, lies and misinformation. Here is a site on youtube that has gathered and compiled an excellent source of REAL information.

Perhaps it is long overdue to take back our government from the corrupt officials that represent coporate interests instead of the people. Maybe begin by starting a reforendum abolishing ALL legislation against something GOD gave us (Genesis 1:19) and grant amnesty to ALL Canadians who have been targeted and made criminals illegally.

It is time to STOP letting liars dictate how we live our lives.
your humble servant,
ancient clown
 
big John
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legalize weed ,it is time too now.That give police more time to fovus on real crimes.Plus the taxes on marijuanawould benifit Canada greatly.BTW this bill would not deter me from smoking nor if put behind bars.i enjoy to smoke like other enjoy a stiff drink.Kinda funny Obama make marijuana law changes and Harper is going the other way to repeat a failed drug war history.Some leader made if you make it legal we can get backon our feet .



P4L
 
Stryder
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Since when do the Conservatives or Mr Harper listen to the people they represent, they have their little right wing agenda to turn back the clock as their number one priority. Never mind that a majority of Canadians as well as Americans want to legalize pot and a whopping 64 percentof BCers want pot legalized, but make no mistake Mr. Harper is in full control with his 15 percent of canadians support. A perfect example of right wing democrasy.
 
Anika
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What baffles me the most about this is that alcohol is far more damaging to society but yet it is widely acceptible.

Marijuana use should be legalized. Growers should be made to apply for a license to produce marijuana. That way, they can be made to apply to certain quality, safety, and eniviromental standards. Homes wouldn't get destroyed, people wouldn't get sick from using marijuana laced with something dangerous, and people who are ill can use it with ease. Someone who avoids the license and grows it illegally would obviously be trying to compromise those standards and therefore, should be the one to go to prison.
 
BC
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What is the point of imposing mandatory minumums if it clearly hasn't worked in the US and they are working to change it? I believe that pot, like alcohol should be used in moderation. I also know many alcoholics who are violent and wastes of skin who use the system to enable their worthless lives, but *shockingly* none of the pot heads I know are violent in the least, they (for the most part) lead normal lives and many are valuable assets to the community at large.
 
DowntownDrone
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I'm the professional looking guy standing next to you at the corner of Robson and Burrard, waiting to cross and get on with my busy day. I'm a certified and degreed professional working for The Man downtown, billing hours to clients who rely on my advice and working on multi-year projects worth millions. Then I head home and burn a stomper because my day was stressful and I'm too lazy to jog it off. I'm just like you, just maybe a little lazier. Decriminalize...honestly doesn't make a difference. Anything else the government touches turns to poop anyhow. As it is I have to be low-profile with my smoke, what difference does it really make to be able to burn one in public?
 
freedom fighter
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Maybe they should change the law around so every house must have 1 or 2 plants...if they did this then people wouldn't be paying these drug dealers that the government act like they hate so much and then communities could be that much safer...this bill is just putting pressure on the herb smoker not the dealer..most dealers are repeat offenders and are in and out of jail as if it was a second home,passing this bill is like giving dealers a raise because its all about supply n demand..theres always the public demand for herb n the harder it is to get it the more people are willing to pay. why do we continue to let a minority control the majority we must wake up n live our lives..Herb is the healing of the nations wether they like it or not
Revalation 22:2 " the river of life proceeded to flow from the throne of God, and on either side of the bank there was the tree of life, and the leaf from that tree is for the healing of the nations"
 
Stryder
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Mr. Harper is determined to take Canada back to the good old days in America when the war on drugs was started. The fact that their experience has been a total failure, giving America nothing but the highest incarceration rate in the world. Albert Einstein said insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Well I for one have never claimed or believed Harper was sane.
 
AnnieOakley1
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Nobody has EVER died rom using maryjane and even when the people speak and the majority wants it legalized. ???? How can the gov't still keep it illegal? It just makes no sense. With all of the uses it has, and how organic and natural it is, I guess there is just no profit in it for big business. And that is what seems to make the world go round, profit for big business. That is whom is padding the campaign funds of the Liberals and Conservatives obviously, to make sure it stays illegal. Organized Crime is likely doing the same, as it profits them greatly to keep it illegal as well.
NDP or Green Party is the only way to go as far as I am concerned. Give some uncorrupted parties a chance to do something positive for a change.
 
Jtk
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The way Portugal went about drug control is a better plan to be looking at. It has been in place since 2001.

Drug Decriminalization in Portugal:
Lessons for Creating Fair and Successful Drug Policies
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=10080
 
A. Choquette
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It’s heartbreaking to watch Canada, which had been one of the enlightened countries on drug policy once upon a time, go down the criminalize and punish road that has failed so miserably south of the border. Our own little neoconservative monster seems determined to do everything the Republicans did, only long after the point when he had any right to be flirting with a majority.

Lydia, thanks for playing, but keep in mind that wherever you go they might expect more of you than to bail when things get tough.
 
Pissed Off
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The Harper gov has got to go. We don't need no stinking fiberals either.

Decriminalize pot. It's good for you.
 
fail
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this bill is just a PR stunt for the conservatives to show they are 'tough on drugs'. it's never going to pass, it's just about campaigning so they when it's defeated they can claim the evuul liberals are for the drug dealers when in reality everybody realizes prohibition just encourages organized crime to feed a never ending demand.
 
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