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Educated immigrants stuck in survival jobs

In Zimbabwe, Newman Kusina was a university professor, but he hasn’t been able to find a teaching job in Canada.

Travis Lupick
By Travis Lupick,

For some of Metro Vancouver's most intelligent citizens, life is fraught with disappointment and frustration. Take Newman Kusina, for example. Since moving to Canada in January 2008, the Zimbabwean-born academic has spent his nights awake at his computer, unable to sleep.

"When I came here, I had all the zeal and expectations of when you arrive in a new country," Kusina said. "But it is an absolute nightmare."

Three evenings a week, Kusina works as a guard for Paladin Security in downtown Vancouver. Speaking to the Georgia Straight at his modest home in Surrey, he said that he usually works alone and busies himself by moving smokers away from doorways. He walks the streets and daydreams about classrooms of university students and debates with colleagues.

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Kusina's story is not unique. Talk to educated immigrants from across the region and a consensus quickly emerges: unemployment is a serious problem. Newcomers looking for work face a host of challenges. There is discrimination, complications around accreditation of foreign degrees, and an isolation that leaves many out of the loop on job openings. The recession is now making things worse.

Kusina's experience in Canada epitomizes the difficulties that this demographic struggles with. He is a certified physiologist with degrees from the University of Zimbabwe and the University of Minnesota. And he has teaching experience in Zimbabwe and at the University of Illinois and the University of Minnesota. But none of this has translated into a teaching position in British Columbia.

And so Kusina patrols the streets of downtown Vancouver. He said that his security shifts usually end around 10 p.m., at which point he takes the SkyTrain back to Surrey. After a short cab ride from the station, he finally arrives home after 11 p.m., often to find his wife and son already asleep.

"The first thing I do is check my e-mail," Kusina continued. At any given time, he is waiting for responses to dozens of résumés left with postsecondary institutions. "I don't go to bed until around 2 or 3; my mind is always busy," he said. "I find it very difficult to go to sleep because I do not know what I am going to do the next day. It is terrifying to think of."

Kusina and his family landed in Montreal in January 2008. His inability to speak French contributed to his rejection by many postsecondary institutes in Quebec, so the family moved west. But after working as a professor of physiology for 15 years, Kusina found himself rejected by literally every university and college in B.C.

"I had this collection of applications and I just threw them away," he lamented. "They were an insult to look at."

So at the age of 46, Kusina went back to school to write English essays and learn about "Canadian culture". "It was very frustrating, and the quality, as far as I'm concerned, was not worth my time sitting in a classroom," he said. "But I had to do it."

One thing that Kusina said he did take from these classes is an appreciation for how employment in British Columbia works, or at least how many newcomers experience it.

"So many jobs are not advertised," he said. "And when they [employers] advertise, they often already have somebody already. So you have to know somebody. It's not corruption, but you have to know somebody."

Statistics Canada data has recently shone a light on the circumstances in which Kusina and so many others find themselves.

According to a July 2008 report, the majority (54 percent) of immigrants to Canada since 2002 have been university-educated. In 2007, the unemployment rate for these immigrants was four times that of similarly educated Canadian-born residents.

More concerning, there is a correlation between one's country of origin and the odds of finding a job in Canada. The report states that in B.C. in 2007, 85 percent of university-educated, very recent immigrants from Europe were employed while only 60.7 percent of those from Asia had found employment in B.C. (Data for other regions was not available.)

And that's only half the story. Statistics Canada's definition of "employment" doesn't differentiate between a PhD from India who works at McDonald's and a Canadian-educated Norwegian who works as a nurse at Vancouver General Hospital. For new families in Canada, the difference is very real.

Krishna Pendakur, an SFU economist whose family emigrated from India, recently coauthored a working paper that examines wage disparities among immigrants and minority workers. His research found that skilled immigrants of visible minorities often face a series of barriers on their way to a job in their preferred field.

When visible-minority men first arrive in Canada, they are crowded into low-paying "survival jobs", Pendakur told the Straight. This "sticky floor" does erode over time, but only to leave immigrants to contend with "glass doors" and "glass ceilings".

The report describes a glass door as a "barrier that limits disadvantaged workers' access to employment at high-wage firms" and a glass ceiling as a "barrier that limits access to high-wage jobs".

According to Pendakur's research, the combination of these hurdles leaves many visible-minority immigrants locked out of high-wage jobs in B.C., despite the fact that a majority are trained for such positions.

Since 1976, the colourful neighbourhood adjacent to Commercial Drive has hosted MOSAIC, a multilingual, nonprofit organization that offers services for immigrants.

Binders of job openings hang from the walls of the reception area. Nearby, people sit and fill out applications for every kind of position in the city. Down the hall, computer labs wait for new immigrants to begin their job searches in B.C. or write e-mails to family members back in their birth country.

Today, Eyob Naizghi helps immigrants to Vancouver
with job searches. But when Naizghi arrived in 1981, he
had a difficult time finding employment. Travis Lupick
photo.

Sitting in his second-storey office, Eyob Naizghi, MOSAIC's executive director, described an immigrant's landing in Vancouver as "overwhelming".

"You cannot talk about employment before one settles the mind," he said. "You have to find a neighbourhood you like, you have to find a school for your children, you have to know where you are going to shop, you have to know where you are going to do your banking."

And then, according to Naizghi, it is often time for a "reality check".

Naizghi, who came to Canada as a refugee from Eritrea in 1981, explained that many skilled immigrants arrive in Canada unprepared for the challenges they will face.

"They come here with a dream of practising their own profession," he said. "Some of them have practised their profession for 20 or more years in their own country, as doctors, as nurses, as engineers, as managers, as IT people. And then they come here and we have a hurdle that we describe as ”˜recognizing qualifications'."

In B.C., professional accreditation is regulated at the provincial level, but rarely by the province itself. A multitude of acts give professional organizations the powers to regulate their own industries and set standards for accreditation.

For example, an immigrant trained as an engineer in Asia usually has to spend years retraining to continue as an engineer in Canada. Who is qualified to be an engineer in B.C. is decided by the Association of Professional Engineers and Geoscientists of B.C. in accordance with the B.C. Engineers and Geoscientists Act.

Miu Yan, an associate professor at UBC's school of social work, told the Straight that many immigrants end up in low-paying jobs because of prohibitive accreditation processes. "For certain professions”¦like medical professionals and lawyers, they are almost undoable and can take years to get," he said.

As a result, Yan continued, many skilled immigrants—especially those with families to support—find themselves caught in a Catch-22 situation. Immigrants arrive eager to use their skills and enter the Canadian work force. But their degrees are not recognized and they must go back to school. But if they return to school, they run the risk of burning through their savings and letting their family go hungry. The "solution" is to work in low-paying "survival jobs" that provide little money and even less time to attend school and study.

Yan described the whole immigration process in Canada as a "broken contract". He noted that many prospective immigrants are only eligible to come to Canada if they have a postsecondary education. Furthermore, they are often recruited by the federal government because of their education and skills. In turn, Yan continued, immigrants arrive in Canada eager to contribute to society. But when they get here, provincial regulations often reject the very skills for which they were recruited.

"To a certain extent, Canada and the Canadian government or Canadian society is breaking a contract," Yan charged. "You can imagine that people can be very, very bitter and unhappy about this situation."

Yan argued that it is not only immigrants who are being deceived. He said that the federal government seems to believe that it is recruiting skilled immigrants for the improvement of the country. But as Statistics Canada's unemployment figures for skilled immigrants to Canada show, the system is failing.

Jackie Ochieng was once an accredited social worker in Kenya. In 2003, she immigrated to Canada to attend UBC and start a new life. After graduating, she found herself in a variety of survival jobs and struggling to make ends meet. Ochieng said that she worked as a telemarketer, dishwasher, cleaner, and babysitter before she decided to go back to school and retrain to become an employment consultant.

Today, she holds that position as manager of SUCCESS employment services, a multiservice agency for immigrants to Metro Vancouver. Ochieng said that although immigrants were once largely ignorant of accreditation problems in Canada, the situation has changed.

"It has become common knowledge to know that if you move to a western country, chances are that you are not going to get a job in the same area [as you are educated in]," she said.

Ochieng described the situation as a spin on the "brain drain" concept. Western countries recruit developing nations' professionals, which can result in a depletion of those countries' most intelligent citizens. Then, when these immigrants arrive in places like B.C., their brains go unused and "down the drain".

B.C.'s minister of advanced education and labour market development told the Straight that accreditation is an issue that his office is working to address.

"I think there has been a real change across the country in views to immigration," Murray Coell said from Victoria. He noted that the entire country is experiencing demographic changes that will inevitably leave many employers looking to immigrants to fill positions in professions and trades.

Coell said that the ministry is working with 38 separate regulatory bodies to speed up processes of accreditation recognition and is also involved in a series of pilot projects that are "looking at a standardized accreditation process for professions or skilled trades".

In 2007, 14,761 skilled immigrants arrived in B.C., down 1,927 from 2006 and the lowest level since 1995, according to an April 2008 report published by the Ministry Responsible for Multiculturalism.

Streamlining foreign-credential accreditation will help immigrants get back into the fields they left in their home countries. But it will not ensure they do. Ochieng said that another significant barrier to skilled immigrants finding work in B.C. is a lack of established networks.

"You have to know someone who knows someone who is hiring out there but who has not advertised the job in the newspaper or on the Internet," Ochieng explained. "Although they [immigrants] might have all the skills, they don't know how to access hidden markets and jobs that are not advertised."

Immigrants to Metro Vancouver have noticed this problem and some have worked to correct it.

Paul Mulangu of the Centre of Integration for African Immigrants says newcomers need equal access to job networks. Travis Lupick photo.

In 1990, Paul Mulangu and his wife were separated in a government crackdown in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. Fearing for the lives of his children, Mulangu set off with his son and daughter for neighbouring Zambia. They walked for two days without food and water until they arrived at a refugee camp across the border. After "six very long years", Mulangu told the Straight, his refugee claim to Canada was accepted.

But Mulangu's life wasn't given a happy ending just yet. A metallurgical engineer trained in Congo and Belgium, he found that his university degrees weren't enough in B.C.

"When I came here, I couldn't find a job in my field, which is why I ended up cleaning washrooms," he said. "It is not about qualifications, it's about who you know."

For six months in 1996, Mulangu sat at home waiting for the phone to ring. When it did—usually no more than a few times a week—it meant that he had a shift cleaning bathrooms at Vancouver International Airport. He worked graveyard shifts and, without money for a baby sitter, often had to leave his children unattended at home. "It was a very terrible situation," he said. "There was nobody there and no daycare."

Desperate to improve his family's situation, Mulangu enrolled in English classes at BCIT. (At the time, he spoke only French, having arrived in Canada believing that the country was bilingual.) His next step was computer classes at Vancouver Community College and then a program to train as an employment counsellor.

Mulangu said that in looking for employment in B.C., he recognized a need among new immigrants for equal access to job networks. His experience led him to found the Centre of Integration for African Immigrants. Today, the centre helps immigrants from any background with their first steps in Canada. Services range from helping newcomers find a home and school for their children to language training and, of course, employment assistance.

At the end of February 2009, the centre moved into a newly renovated, 8,500-square-foot facility at the corner of Carnarvon and Blackie streets in New Westminster.

Walking through unfinished walls and around electrical wire that remained exposed at the time of his interview, Mulangu excitedly explained everything the new facility will be able to offer immigrants to B.C. "We give people information," he said. "With my experience, I know I can help people find a job."

For more than 15 years, Zool Suleman has worked as a lawyer specializing in citizenship, immigration, and refugees. Suleman told the Straight that unemployment numbers for skilled immigrants of visible minorities are evidence that discrimination persists in B.C.

He argued that discrimination manifests itself in the exclusion of new immigrants from the "networks of entry" that Canadian-born, generally Caucasian workers enjoy.

All too often, Suleman explained, high-paying positions are quickly filled by applicants who have inside information on the opening and know someone within the company who can vouch for them or speak to their expertise.

"If you find that your social circle does not have people who are in good occupations or are in good jobs, it's harder to get that informal information about what is going on in a job marketplace," Suleman said. "For immigrants from visible-minority communities that are not well-represented in the workplace, this is a real issue."

The result of all this? "Immigrants come here for themselves but they stay for their children."

In 2005, the City of Vancouver established the Mayor's Task Force on Immigration. Suleman served as a chair for the group. He said that one suggestion that came out of the task force was to create a council to focus on labour-market integration of immigrants.

On February 3, 2009, the Immigrant Employment Council of B.C. held its inaugural meeting at the Vancouver Foundation. Baldwin Wong, social planner for the city and former task force secretary, told the Straight that the council is now establishing working groups to address specific challenges that immigrants face.

Newcomers are looking for ways to take matters into their own hands, make their skills known, and penetrate exclusionary job networks.

Through internship programs, Wong explained, immigrants can get their feet in the door and gain local, on-site experience in the industry for which they were trained. Meanwhile, employers get an opportunity to observe skills taught at a foreign, possibly unfamiliar institution and can give someone a chance without making a long-term commitment.

Similarly, Wong continued, mentorship programs or volunteer work can supply qualified candidates with local experience and an opportunity to learn the ins and outs of local institutions while, again, minimizing risk for the employer.

Of course, Wong cautioned, finding time to volunteer can be very challenging when one must provide for a family. "Many people I know have to work more than one job to make ends meet," he noted.


Paul Mulangu gives prospective immigrants to Canada a little information about what they can expect upon arriving in Vancouver. Travis Lupick video.

Speaking from SUCCESS's employment office, Ochieng said that it was volunteering that got her where she is today. After arriving in Canada without references, she said, volunteering was a way for her to overcome a credibility gap.

Ochieng emphasized the need for new immigrants to break down doors that separate them from industry networks. The best way to do that: knocking.

"You have to go knock and find where someone is going on leave or retiring or going on maternity leave and where there are positions where managers are thinking of hiring but have not posted the job yet," she said. "The government of Canada is great about having community events. Find them out. Attend them. This is free networking. This is where you meet people."

In addition to collecting job postings, SUCCESS, MOSAIC, and the Centre of Integration for African Immigrants all help newcomers find interning and mentorship opportunities.

Kusina went so far as to describe volunteer service as a "prerequisite" to meaningful employment in Canada. He suggested that with the odds stacked against them, immigrants must make time.

Talking to the Straight in his living room, Kusina motioned to his 12-year-old son sitting nearby at a computer. "My son asks, ”˜Dad, why are you not working?'" Kusina said. "He always used to come to my work at the university and look at all the books."

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Kusina took the job with Paladin because it offered a two-week first-aid course to new hires. He said that he wanted anything related to biology and Paladin's training was as close as he could get.

"Despite the minimum challenges in my current job, I have begun to like and respect it," he said. "It teaches me to be calm, considerate, and humbling when you are confronted by the day-to-day misfortunes of so many who need help."

Kusina has worked as a security guard for Paladin since October 2008 and continues to attend job fairs and drop résumés off all over the city.

"I can teach, I like to do research, I like to work with communities. But they say I don't have enough Canadian experience," Kusina said. "I know what I want. It is going to take time, but I am going to get there. It is painful, it is ridiculous, but I am here and I am not going anywhere."


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Comments

ezekiel bones
"Kusina went so far as to describe volunteer service as a "prerequisite" to meaningful employment in Canada. "

This actually applies to anyone who isn't born into privilege in this country. Being from up north, and moving to the city, where I had no friends and no family, I had to work very hard to get connections and move up the pay scale... I only got ahead by volunteering...

"If you find that your social circle does not have people who are in good occupations or are in good jobs, it's harder to get that informal information about what is going on in a job marketplace,"

This also applies to people born in Canada. We have a very stratified society here. I'm sure it is much harder for immigrants, who are less likely to know the ins and outs.

You have to be very lucky and very clever to get a decent job if you are from a poor family, or worse, a poor rural family (unless you work in a mine or a mill, but I mean non resource labour, and those jobs are likely to leave you high and dry at 53, with no other prospects)

As a former-youth-in-care, I faced many barriers in our own society... sky high tuition fees, a minimum wage that is too low to afford a decent standard of living, especially in the city (where all the opportunities are)... no established networks of privilege.

I'm sure it is even harder to swallow when you are a professional, who comes here to share your skills.

It sucks to be poor in this country. You are treated like dirt.. and assholes get angry whenever they see someone making a living wage for "unskilled labour" -- because they can't imagine that maybe someone in that job deserves to make enough so that they can live and maybe go to school and get the skills our society needs.

The classism and racism in Canada is appalling. Absolutely appalling.
 
cameron james mcarthur
zim is in crisis specifically because it's intelligentsia are unwilling to use their taxpayer funded upper class status to help their own country.it is painful to hear them moaning about canadian inequality.i am surprised that a qualification as lame as physiology qualifies someone for employment in the security field. regards cam
 
NoReligion
really so this norn in Canada citizn is working / getting fucked over in a survival job and you want me to kill myself so someone from another land can have that job insted of me?

FUCK I have had lost two good jobs and have two incompetent (ie hateful of Canadian practices) immigrant managers who are hired out of Political Correctness

HEY THANKS FOR RAMPING UP HATRED OF IMMIGRANTS BY ALL US OUT OF WORK CANADIANS.

way to be behind the curve Straight.....

OVERPOPULATION IS A PROBLEM,
 
Pivoine
Educated immigrants have been in Canada for much longer than those described in the article; that's the reality. I grew up in a community of immigrants after WWII, where the university professors cleaned garbage bins at school and architects worked in the construction industry slapping wood and nails together. They considered themselves lucky to have a job so that they could start their lives over.

While I do feel for these gentlemen in the article, neither Canada nor I owes them; they made a conscious choice by coming here so it's up to them to work within the system and, sometimes, it will take more than a couple of years.

I also grew up with a strong work ethic and things haven't been easy for me with my education either, so I do what I have to do to survive as much as any immigrant. NoReligion's commentary may be somewhat over the top, but I, too, have had the experience of working with politically-correct appointments only because quotas have to be filled. Many are quite incompetent as well and / or just don't want to adjust to a new way of life.
 
Clayton Burns
clayton burns
This article by Travis Lupick is a good start on the analysis that needs to be done. It would be helpful if British Columbia could work its way out of the mire of the Canadian Language Benchmarks and establish powerful official systems for English learners, but that is probably not going to happen during the next 1000 years.

Starting 20 years ago, COBUILD began to produce excellent dictionaries and grammars out of huge databases of natural English. The Collins COBUILD Intermediate English Grammar continues to be the only great teaching grammar of English for intermediate purposes (the COBUILD English Grammar is equally good for advanced students). The Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary (Third Edition) works extremely well with the COBUILD intermediate grammar, as does the Oxford Learner's Thesaurus.

It is one of the mysteries of journalism in BC that no reporter has ever been able to compare the Canadian Language Benchmarks 2000 manual, or LPI and TOEFL manuals, with the COBUILD intermediate grammar, so as to discover the differences.

Given that BC has no true education reporter working on province-wide stories systematically, perhaps that is not such a surprise. A good spring project for the Straight would be to find out why immigrant learners of English keep saying that the courses and practices are absurd, and why reporters keep looking in the other direction.
 
Brinton
Having eventually managed to arrive in Canada, New Immigrants quickly realise that any qualifications they have are to all intents and purposes useless.

How Government manages to lure, entice, encourage and eventually approve immigration without having explained that any professional qualification they bring will be considered unacceptable is deplorable.

Perhaps the Immigration application should contain a warning to the effect that all immigrants will be considered unemployable in their field despite their qualifications and that they will be expected to start again.
 
Travis Lupick
These are great comments.

Ezekiel bones makes a very good point in noting that any newcomer to Vancouver, whether from Zimbabwe or Kelowna, will face difficulties cracking old boys networks and accessing exclusionary job markets. But for many immigrants, challenges that everybody must deal with are compounded by things like language barriers and racism.

Cameron james mcarthur raises a valid point: brain drains hurt developing nations. But while a brain drain may be exacerbating the crisis that Zimbabwe currently faces, the cause is not people like Newman Kusina leaving to make a better life for their family. Zimbabwe has fallen apart because it has an absolute monster for a leader. Robert Mugabe is a criminal who has drained the country’s treasury, run the economy into the ground, and crushed any hope of democracy by murdering and torturing those who oppose him. Rich nations recruiting developing countries’ most intelligent citizens is a complicated issue with no easy answer. But Cameron, put yourself in the shoes of an immigrant from a country like Zimbabwe: You have a wife and child who you care for more than anything, (more than you care for your country,) and a chance to give your family a new life in a place that is safe and rich beyond anything you could dream of in Africa. The education system that Kusina’s child has access to in Canada is vastly superior to what he would have grown up with in Zimbabwe. If Kusina’s wife gets sick, he can take her to a hospital in Vancouver where she will have access to some of the best treatment in the world. Should educated immigrants feel guilty for trying to give their families the best that they can?

Pivoine, nobody is saying that anybody owes immigrants anything except a fair shot at the jobs that they are qualified to perform. This article delivers a lot of evidence which indicates that educated immigrants are not treated fairly in B.C. Also, while immigrants do make conscious decisions to come to Canada, many feel that the information on which such decisions were made–often provided by the federal government–was deceptive.

Thanks for everybody’s interest.
 
ezekiel bones
Thanks for the excellent article Travis. Well thought out, well researched and well written, a pleasure to read and think about.
 
???
There was little in this, essentially excellent, article to disagree with. It would be difficult to not feel sympathy and compassion for the new immigrants portrayed here.

This said, the story also disappoints, though. Perhaps in a predictable way. I too have a PhD and work as a security guard. I am an immigrant - but neither a recent one, nor did I come from a Third World or strife-torn country. So, when I see the situation framed almost solely in terms of an unequal divide between "Caucasians" and educated nonwhite immigrants, I wonder where an old white guy like myself fits in. What does it mean if my experiences in Canada overlap with those whose story is told in this and other articles with a similar theme?

The comments by Ezekiel Bones, NoReligion and Pivoine all touch on aspects of this topic that are almost taboo in Canada.

Unfortunately, few dare to speak out against the unassailable ideology of Political Correctness and the obvious damage it has done in this country. And, those who do, rarely manage to do so without being labelled as racist and/or anti-immigrant.

Oh, and btw, Cameron, a PhD or any degree won't qualify you to work as a security guard in BC. You have to take a course and pass an exam.


 
Travis Lupick
An excellent comment. Thank you, anonymous user. But with such thoughtful words, why not share your name and lend a degree of accountability to your opinion? You've given me an issue to learn more about.

And, ah, ya, Cameron, it really doesn't take much to be a security guard in this province. A university degree in anything is definitely not required. In fact, many security guards on the streets of Vancouver have little more than a two-week course. A cover story I wrote on private security in B.C. in October 2007, Private police, discusses this further.
 
Pumar Singh
What we need to do is outsource more IT jobs and call center jobs to foreigners. We also need to bring in unskilled immigrants to fill these jobs so that they are not disillusioned and do not have high expectations. We need to bring in more immigrants so that our labour force remains competitive so that slack workers learn to work with discipline, and stop whining about their work details. We need to bring the supply curve of labour so that a new equilibrium will be met, bringing higher quality of labour and service.
 
SMM
I cant believe that Professor Newman Kusina is working as a guard! The guy is a brilliant physiologist with numerous publications. We were colleagues at the University of Zimbabwe. Why he cant get an academic job at a university in Canada just baffles me.
 
School boy
It's pretty sad that Professor N. T Kusina is facing hard times in Canada. He was one of the best professors I have had in reproductive physiology. His wife was also a sharp Professor in mnogastric nutrition. Its really heart breaking. I will remember you in my prayers
 
Anjana
All these reality checks of real people have disheartened me. We were also planning to come to Canada this month. But we have no one and no idea where we should immigrate. My husband is a Leather Technician and has worked in NZ as well as in Australia as a Leather Grader, but I am very scared to immigrate since I cannot find a single job for him. I am also an MSc and MBA and have a very decent managerial job here in India. Its just that my 2.5 yrs old doesn't keep good health in India and is absolutely fine in NZ/Australia, we'd decided to immigrate to Canada. Now I am dead scared as to what will happen to us?????Please guide us somebody or help us.....
 
me
It is heartbreaking that racist people like Travis still walk the face of this earth.
 
doomsday
I came to Canada at the age of 7 and am now 43. I have my B.SC, MBA, Canadian Securities Course; however was laid off again from my occupation in sales. I've never been able to find a job where I can utilize my education and find myself without a job again despite being a Canadian Citizen for so long. I believe unemployment is not just a problem that recent immigrants face.
 
Oh please!
Seriously, I was born here and I can't get a job with my degree. I don't feel sorry for all of you-we only have so many jobs here, and they should be given to those that have been here longer. It's not fair to those struggling in the teaching field to have to compete with outsiders as well as baby-boomers that refuse to retire. Canadian born residents are entitled to being picked FIRST for good jobs!

If I went to your country I'm sure it would be even harder to find opportunities. Why would you expect it to be any different here?
 
Anatoly
I came to Canada in 1988 from Greece. Nobody ever cared about my University Degree and outstanding experience in Chemical Industry. I had to start everything from scratch attending different courses and in 2 years was working as a licensed Maintenance Mechanic with good salary. Of course it is not what I expected to do. Later on I got Canadian Certificate of Stationary Engineer but again nobody every offered me this job because I didn't have Canadian experience. I wouldn't say about discrimination but it really exists.I lost 2 high paid job due to my non-Canadian born. Now I am sitting for over 14 months without job and can't find nothing because I am 56 years old. Have to survive for $10/hr my wife is making. This is a sad reality. If you do not have Canadian education, you are lost.You place is the last in the line for the job.
 
GLED
EXCUSE ME!!!!!!!!!!!

No one is guaranteed a job in Canada. It seems none of these individuals followed the suggestions given at Canada's Immigratioin website. You should have your creditials BEFORE you arrive. You should have an offer of employment BEFORE you arrive. Why would someone who is "educated" make such an uneducated decision? Stop blaming anyone for your own situuation. Take some ownership of yoru life. No one asked you to come here it was your choice. You stay, so therefore no matter what job you get, its better than going back home.
 
school
GLED, you are 100% correct. Many people became immigrant because they did not have enough resources to avoid "uneducated" decision in back home. I would really be smart if I am on someone's shoe. I am wondering how will you rate if someone is not being hired simply because he is non-english, or a different skin. Have you ever protest someone who kept his feet on the public transport seat keeping an elder immigrant passenger standing ? Have you ever been hated by a Canadian ? I had to wait for 12 hrs to see a doctor in AB and I knew many people put their effort to be a physician and can't because they did not have enough approach to be a volunteer. What do you think how "especial" the Canadians are ?
 
Janice
I am a 16th generation canadian women who has worked since age 15. I had to leave my eastern province 6 times since age 25. I am college educaed w ith honours. I have worked ma ny types of jobs. I am now in ottawa and have been looking for work for 2 hours a day. I am living off welfare for the first time ever. I just finished a contract at the hospital where I made 26 an hour but people stoled the money so we lost our jobs. The longest I ever had a job in canada was in vancouver at UBC for 3 years, but my job was automated in 2000. I have now been out of work for 2 years this June and the government decided to take away my monthly bus pass. I have bad feet and have to walk every day to the job centre. I alone in this city. I never got to get a steady job in my life in canada and I am so very br ight.......people think Im really something special when they meet me.....I am being displaced by immigrants and quotas or bilingualism or in some cases my job is be automated and taken over by computer. I have no idea why our government continues to dump immigrants here when we have a true unemployment rate hovering at 25%!!!!!!!!!!!! Please take care of canadian borns first and foremost, the rich can still come to invest thats fine!! I grew up middle class, a daughter of a lawyer, I am not used to eating in food banks and living off 129 dollars a month after rent. TAKE CARE OF CANADIANS FIRST WE ARE VERY UPSET AND ANGRY EVERY DAY ABOUT THIS SITUATION IN CANADA. There are almost 3 million out of work now in canada not including people on welfare who do not look........there are only 15 million people who work here! Thats outrageous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Fida Mulk
You must take more education to compete with immigrants! lol
 
Chad Moun
Well...
I'm an Immigrant, I've been here in Vancouver for only 2 years, I'm a sound engineer, I was doing well back home, I was famous in my field in all the region around my country.

Well...
The region around my country is one of what many people called a "Hot Spot" what it means there's always something going on: Big wars, small wars, Political situations, Economical issues...etc
So, I decided to leave and search for a safer life.

I did my researches to find the best country I can immigrate to, there were many, but I ended to choose between Australia and Canada.
I chose Canada.
Why.???

Now Mr. "Gled" and the other one calling himself "No religion" and all the people who hate Immigrants and feel that they are "invaders", let me tell you one thing...: STOP the HATE and STOP the BLAME, if you want to BLAME us, WELL Excuse me, BLAME your SYSTEM or any government you have or anything or anybody related to this "Operation" called Immigration to Canada.

I chose Immigration to Canada because someone up-there did a very good job in promoting and "advertising" : Immigration to Canada.

I only want to mention the working in Canada part, as they tell you that it's a bit hard to find a job right away in your field but for sure there is a chance for everyone up there, they never tell you it's almost "impossible".

*Do you know "Immigrant Haters" how much are the costs and fees for the immigration application???
*Do you know that an Immigrant has to have at least one university degree and plenty of skills and speaks many languages and knows many things that most of you DON'T (have or know), to be qualified for Immigration to Canada...???
*Do you know how much time the procedure takes..???
*Do you know how much money an Immigrant has to bring with him to enter the Canadian territories ..???? (this money never goes out of Canada anymore)
I can keep asking because the list is very long.

Well... I GUESS NOT. you know nothing about that.

After all, it's not your fault, it's not our fault, you are born here, it's your country and if you don't want any more Immigrants to come here, raise your voice to "your Government" and change the system and stop the suffering for yourselves and for the Immigrants who someone promised them that they will do better here and sometimes it's true many times it's not.

SORRY for being rude in certain parts of my comment, but I only tried to reply to the rudeness of some others.
 
Immigrants
Today have no real credentials. They've gone to University Of Pakistan where they get their degrees with an AK-47. And speaking many languages?? Most foreign countries have 2 or MORE local languages. And you should be paying lots to come to a country that more than always you will be ungrateful, entitled and bitter towards anyone that's not your skin colour.
 
Reality
Go to Zimbabwe or wherever else but North America and Europe and see how well a white person would fair. You've got to be kidding me! Immigrants are hired today and will hire anyone but non-whites!!! You people make me sick!
 
MCH
I totally agree that locals also face significant amount of barriers to employment, not just immigrants.

My Canadian-born and educated Caucasian driving instructor has a PhD in political sciences from a prestigious university in Asia. However, he couldn't find a job in the field after coming back to Vancouver.

The reality is jobs are scarce, but limiting immigration doesn't help with the situation. Immigrants bring in a lot of capital to the country; as in the case of Vancouver, most of the high-end properties in downtown such as Yaletown and Coal Harbour are actually developed by Hong Kong immigrants.

What immigrants should do is be prepared to accept a job less than their qualifications. For immigrants who are looking for jobs, here's a link worth looking at:
http://www.canadianimmigrant.ca/careers/searchstrategies
 
Tim
If you want to emmigrate for a better life then you must meet the requirements of that country`s immigration laws and not tak short cuts by classifying yourself a refugeee then demand a better life free of an limits and constraints.

Ndebeles or matabeles are bussed to countries by those who relentlessly campaign and advocate for them to cause trouble.They are first given military training in covert military operations before being bussed to countries.On thir arrival in these countries hey embark on disturbances,crimes,hijacking buildings and houses,join securit guard companies so hat they can perfect their crimes unnoticed and shield their homeboys,abduction of women and smuggling and enslavement.Coercion to support the MDC and terror reminicent of a military onslaught against hapless ordinary people.

British and South Africa were very sympathetic to their plight hence the lowering of conditions but due to the abuse of the hospitality accorded to them both countries are now adopting a high handed attitude b bussing them back home. We are now required to obtain visas to enter Britain and thast`s becvause of them where they obtain South African identification then enter Britain and commit their crimes creating the impression they`re South Africans and o South Africans bein g the ones who get punished.
 
OGB
I think I am scared now, then why all the lies? I can stand it not doing what i love to do(my profession), nothing can separate me from my profession not even Canada. I was thinking of coming to Canada before, I think I have changed my mind. No I can't stand it. Canada can wait oooo!!!
How on earth can I do that, why would anyone abandon his passion for any kind of job. Even if I am not paid at least let show what I can offer.
 
stephen747
Dear All (Canadians and on the way to become Canadians),

Here are some facts and ideas to consider if you would like to give it the shot and move to Canada.

Canada is a decent and clean country, civilized, no doubt about it. Some areas are very cold, this is something you might wish to take into consideration. Being in the snow for 6 months a year, that could be a challenge.

It is true, do not expect to find work at your level of expertise. Also, you can be rejected as you do not have "Canadian experience".

My story: I am a casino professional (manager) with some 15 years experience. I worked abroad for the past 12. This includes a lead position in one of the largest casinos in the world (over 500 gaming tables).

When I applied for a job in Canada, I was told that they would preffer Canadian exp. I was upset, as there are no 500 gaming tables within the entire province where I applied for the job. See, there is the other side of the coin as well: I would always have difficulties in getting a job in Canada, but hey, also the Canadians might have problems in getting a highly paid job that I can get on the international market.

In short, I do not have the time to study in Canada for another 10 years, in order to earn half of what I am making now. I already made my decision and you guys should do the very same.

Try to leave your life where you have a decent job, where you happy with what you do...Don't sell yourself cheap just to leave in Vancouver. Or you can stand a good chance to mop the floors at age of 55 or so, very sad.

In many regards, I do believe the Canadian government is trapping somehow some of these new comers. It is good for them, you pay some fees, you spent money during the accomodation process etc. and if you can not make it, then you're finished. You have to take off or take the mopping job for an undefinite period of time.

Your call. Your luck.

God bless you all.

 
ali warhol
Oh cry me a river. I am a 5th generatin Canadian (not that that matters) I have been passed over more times than I can count for positions filed by people who have been in the country for a month or two. I have not worked for sometime and becuase of this I need 910 hours in a year to qualify for ei. Not so if I were an immigrant, there are more free services to educate, counsel, school and provide interim monies to immigrants, speciality placement agencies, help with transition and on and on programs. I however, cannot access-but do help fund through my taxes when I am thrown the odd bone. Jobs should go to Canadiains first and immigrants next and only if there is absouletly noone qualified to fill said position. While working auxiliary for a regional parks jobs I applied for a job that required intimate knowledge of local parks and trails. I whom had that knowledge did not receive an interview consequently the job was given to a British immigrant who had been in the country exactly 3 weeks had no knowledge at all. She quite 2 months in as her husband was making enough money so she did not need to work. WTF is that . I remain unemployed, unable to receive upgrading, or schooling opportunities. And the more place I call the more foreign accents I hear. One women in my local post office (which never hires) also a Brit got the job as soon as she got to Duncan, BC. What is going on here?
 
Jaspal F
This plan by the government was lobbied by Canadian private corporations it is called supply and demand flood the country with a higher population they will all move to urban cities because there are no jobs in rural locations by doing that the wages can be lowered significantly. That is what has happened to Canada since 1991 . Presently it is very difficult to survive in cities like Toronto,Vancouver & Calgary.I myself am looking for a second job to stay afloat & things are getting worse! I was born here and have seen drastic changes in the quality of living it's very normal to have to work 16 hours a day to keep up with the cost of living. I do believe that they ( immigration Canada) are making propaganda advertisements for the well to do immigrants whom are educated with good careers in there home land to come here and spend there money . My advice to people who are planning to come to Canada, if you have a high position & are earning well stay put !!! It is not greener over here Please take note that you will be starting all over again like a teenager entering college not worth it if you are in your late 30's or older.
 
Jaspal F
Prospective immigrants, think twice before coming to Canada. There are no jobs here. Most immigrants end up unemployed or in survival dead end jobs. Canadian immigration policy is a total? failure.
 
Someone
Everyone complaining about being x generation Canadians does realize they're immigrants as well, right? White doesn't mean Canadian- a obviously, Canadian is someone who lives in Canada. Immigrants are Canadians too, just newer ones. Really, the only people who were really born here are the Aboriginals, and it's not like they get any recognition.
 
Lou MA
Hello I’m here to tell you about the fascinating experience that is my life.
In the morning I wake up, wipe the sleep out of my eyes, put on my bunny slippers and head to the boys room.
Emptying out a nights worth of drinks in a few 10 second spurts I am ready to take on the world nay the universe.
After a hesitant glance at my reflection in the mirror, I proceed to achingly climb into the bathtub realizing with every step that one can neither reverse nor erase the unavoidable wearing of time.

Very interesting topic of conversation. Myself being a very highly skilled immigrant with no luck in finding employment I have come to the realization that both camps, immigrants and Canadians, have a very solid argument.

I have observed the inner workings of the employment and hiring process in Canada and have arrived at the unfortunate conclusion that employers in Canada, as in many other areas, do things for the wrong reasons and with a predetermined and pre-programmed approach.

What does that mean? I will explain.

If a Canadian gets hired for a job, more often than not the employer did not even consider looking at the application from the immigrant because they have a the predetermined notion that an immigrant can’t do the job the “Canadian” way. Even though that overlooked immigrant is much more qualified and would’ve in actuality done the job better.

On the other side of the coin; if an immigrant gets hired for a job, more often than not the employer did not consider the Canadian applicant because that employer wants to show that they are politically correct and are hiring immigrants, even though that overlooked Canadian is much more qualified than that immigrant for this job.

Therefore you end up having immigrants doing jobs incompetently and Canadians doing a job which the janitor, that just emptied this Canadian’s trash bin, would do better.

Please note that, of course, I’m generalizing but I think that Canada has the potential to be one of the truly greatest countries in the world because the foundation, which is the hard part to achieve, is already there.

If Canadians would let go of predetermined opinions and stop worrying about blindly doing the “right” thing, they would be able to judge each situation based on what it actually is and in turn everyone would get what they deserve. The ones already here and the ones fresh off the boat.

Canadians are, unfortunately, so set in their politically correct ways that they don’t allow their beautiful individual personalities to shine. And immigrants come to this country expecting too much. They build such a grand image in their minds that when life hits them in the face they are not prepared. These, in my opinion, are what need to change.


Thanks for reading and best of luck to all.
 
Immigrant
I m an immigrant too and I m having a hard time finding a job.. I m short of words in describing the job situation in Canada. That there are no jobs in Canada is an understatment. Even if you end up getting a job, it could be causal ( ie on call),for a certain period of time (ie one month ) or even an odd job you do at an odd time.

I have lost hope! The worst part of it is that there is hardly any discourse regarding how to create jobs in Canada. Watch CNN and see Ali Velshi and co discuss about job creation. CTV shows what does not make sense to someone that is desparately in need of a job.

Anyway, I discovered my degree from my country was of no use in Canada and decided to go back to school here. I went back to university here and obtained a degree but I cannot even use it to get a job. The degree is just an expensive piece of paper. God help me!
 
Derek
I spent four years at University to get a degree in Visual Communications just to spend 8 years at a newspaper to have my job outsourced to India. I am a born Canadian and I can't find a job in my field. Honestly? If your having problems in Canada getting the job you want, then go home. I am sure India citizens wouldn't like it very much if I moved to their country and then whined on the news because I didn't get the job I in my field I wanted because they were there first. When you immigranteto a new country you have to respect the country you are coming to and not just EXPECT everything will be handed it to you. I was, born, raised and educated in Canada therefore I would expect to have the job I want. Sorry buddy, feel your pain, really.......
 
Sandrine
To Anjana:
You refer that "Its just that my 2.5 yrs old doesn't keep good health in India and is absolutely fine in NZ/Australia, we'd decided to immigrate to Canada."
The Canadian health system is one of the worst in the world (expensive, long waiting lines, scrupulous and uncaring doctors, who just go to medicine for money). Please don't come here! I am leaving this place also real soon. It was the worst disappointment in my life!
 
Sandrine
@ ali warhol
What do you mean British is a foreign accept?
 
Chan
It is quite obvious that this is an industry with profit as the major motive. Here is how it works

(1) Canada targets mainly middle class in developing countries because they must have some savings to come here

(2) These new immigrants pay hefty fees for application and hence Canadian Government can cover its admin costs

(3) These new immigrants after coming to Canada will start to spend their savings to support their lives, buy cars, houses, rent apartments etc. etc. and all these boost the local economy (injection into the economy) and can prop up certain industries say auto or housing.

(3) When immigrants settle down and they start to look for a job, they found that they are shut from the main stream labor market in the name of Canadian experiences. This is a globalized economy and except certain professions, these Canadian experiences are merely excuses to protect the local people.

(4) Then immigrants faced a choice at this juncture: (a) they go back and in most scenarios the savings may be depleted. (b) they stay in Canada and can only get survival jobs (PhD work as a janitor etc. etc.) or burn their savings. The beautiful scenery and clean enivronment do not pay for your bills.

(5) Statistics indicated that 30% went back to their home country and think about the money they spent.

(6) Economically, Canada gains through this thriving industry. However, since majority of new immigrants are from developing worlds with different races (Chinese, Indian and Middle East descent), racial tolerance will likely to be jeopardized (The local white people may not necessarily be racists but I guess it is human nature does not to live with people that has great cultural differences)

(7) The new immigrants come and go and the process continue.

 
Ivan
Could the ones that are having troubles getting jobs tell me your level of education at Unviersity? Also, your age?

I was wondering if it's just a discrimination problem, or it depends on your level of English, age and degree as well.

Thanks in advance.
 
Mike the Canadian
Son of a first generation immagrant from South America. Recently equipped with a new Diploma in Civil Engineering. Aged 56. Job prospects 0.
In BC if you can't find work, make up a training course in whatever and teach it to people (not just immagrants), give them a piece of paper and that is how to survive here.

Of course your students will be just as screwed as they were before they took the course but you will be able to pay your rent.

Scam? you said it!
 
ferry
Applied 2004, Got the PR 2008, Depart to Vancouver 2008, Staying for 6 months and before they took all my money away (to boost consumer spending in Canada) ---> Return from Vancouver 2008, PR cards' expired date 2013, who cares now? They are somewhere in my drawers....
Been there, done that, screw you Canada. Thank you false and misleading advertisements!
 
Charles Brehgo
I'm actually in the progress of using my influence to raise a counter campaign to be aired worldwide to stop immigration to Canada and raise awareness about the Canadian governments' abuses. I'm hoping to get direct interviews with Interpol as credible witnesses since Canada and it's citizens are listed as high profile criminals against the world community at large with very little being done to punish them as they flee back to Canada and hide under its vast umbrella of protection. Even the USA is having a difficult time cleaning up the crime spilling over the northern border with Canada. Perhaps once the veil of deception is torn down, Canada will fix it's internal issues and progress.
 
South American - Canadian
Most of the comments are from losers and whiners. In my opinion people who cannot get jobs are just applying to dozens of jobs without customizing their applications or without applying to the right job. Most immigrants cannot get a job mainly because of their poor spoken English

I came to Canada with a BBA from a South American University without knowing anyone and got a survival job as a Customer Service Rep in about 2 weeks. Then after about 2 months got a real job with a decent yearly salary. Now, afte 5 years I own a business and just finished my Masters degree. I am employing Canadians and Immigrants. I dont care where they are from as long as they are good and can do the job. I think most employers are like that as well.

Canada is a great country that has many opportunities, you just have to be smart and grab them.
 
pir fawad ali
I want to immigrate to canada under business immigration visa.Kindly do help me as how much amounts can I deposit in the canadian bank for 05 years with zero interest.
I am ready to pay 60,000 CAD in the govt.bank of canada.
let me know soon
Pir fawad ali
 
Amy L
Hi I came here with my husband I am from the states, University Educated, I have been in Canada 2 years. In the states I had a teaching certificate EC-12 and 2 years teaching in public schools, a medical office certificate and 4 years ER medical office experience, as well as admin assistant and special events coordinator. I cannot get a job in a medical office, teaching ECE, teaching public school, or anything else without more years of school and paying huge amounts of money. It has been frustrating to find out that none of my certifications transfer and even being a fluent English speaker does not help in Vancouver. To top it off my visa restricts me from going to any school or training so I cannot go to school to upgrade my skills to the Canadian versions.

The frustrating thing is even if I did find a job-survival or not childcare costs are incredible barriers to immigrants. there are no child benefits for immigrants at all...and no daycare help so immigrants have to pay 900-1200 a month for daycare even if their job only pays 10 per hour. there is no financial help for housing of food for temporary workers either so how am I supposed to feed my 2 year old and pay 1200 rent in vancouver and childcare while putting in my time in survival jobs while not being allowed to go to school or work in any of my skillled trades....

While it may sound like complaining, I was prepared for this because I cannot even get a job in my own country with all my experience so why should I expect Canada to be any different it is competitive and takes A Lot of work and perserverance to find jobs anywhere. There are jobs where there is demand and no guarantees of being able to make a living or take care of and feed your children.

This is the plight of this younger generation and it sucks sometimes but thats just how it is....Canadian or immigrant
 
yamyam
Canadian immigration system is very abusive. They advertise canada as a heaven to put you in the hell. After all it is up to immigrant either to live as canada want them to or to go back to their country where they have a good job and decent life. This is a country for those who do not have any option but cleaning the washroom.
 
Deni
Since you have started this story... I'm immigrated from Europe more than fifteen years ago, although I'm white, I don't see any differences between me and visible minorities. When I came here, I had higher education (Master Degree) and had to go to English class to learn about stupid Canadian history and blablabla staff. Meanwhile I decided to work for minimal wages and to finish Canadian school as well. When I finished school, I didn't have problem to find job (at least better paid one). However economic turn-down gave me new a new frustration and I was the first person who was laid-off. I'm desperately trying to find any job after this. It's needles to say: I gave up. There is no point to search for job if you don't know anyone, (even low--pay one). Beside, if you immigrant with accent, you better stay away from job's searching: it will give you only bunch of frustrations and nightmares and lead you nowhere. It's horrible to know you are much smarter than many people who already work; but you can't basically do anything. You just have desire to kill someone
 
Sido
I live in Montreal, although much of the population is made up of immigrants, many of which are highly educated, many still remain underemployed after 5, 10 or even 15 years.

In Montreal's case it is the selective hiring of Quebecois that ruins any chances for people with a name a name that falls out of the Tremblay and otherwise typical Queb names. Although I am not an immigrant, my boyfriend is. He is highly educated holding a Bachelors in Commerce from France, a certificate from Spain...But his name is Morrocan and his highschool is also from there. So he is stuck making as much as I do (BTW, I am a student earning very little). Like many others he is considering doing a Masters, but can't afford it an worries whether it will even get him a real job.

The Quebecois are the worst, and it has been proven many times that if you submit your CV twice, once with a foreign name and once with a Queb name the foreign one will get no answer whereas the Queb one will immediately get some kind of answer. There have been cases of people suing over this. This kind of hatred and selectivity should be stopped. The even bigger problem is that the people who do get hired in the place of the immigrant are often much less qualified. I will not say there are times that this is not true, but it has become impossible and incestuous. Companies like where I work sometimes have entire families working in the same dept. not because of skill, but because of nepotism. The Quebec government advertises in foreign countries claiming that immigrants are needed to fill positions as skilled workers. This is a lie. It is to boost the population since Canadians do not make enough children to make the population grow. In Quebec, the Quebecois do not even make enough children to stabilize their population. In some cities like Toronto the immigrant population is now higher than Canadian born population. Canadians need to accept that immigrants have rights and deserve the equal rights that are promised by our government.

So to all of you who say that Canadians should be considered first, remember this, our government claims that we are equal. That doesn't mean that some are more equal than others, it means we are the same. So start hiring for qualifications, not for names.
 
stefan85
Yeah ! But you survive. Go to eastern Europe and try to get a job there. You'll find out is hard not to get a good job,but to get any job. Life it's hard mate ! Especially in small places. But after all you survive:) All the best ,from Romania
 
 
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