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Backlash grows over new B.C. Liberal harmonized sales tax

Premier Gordon Campbell and Finance Minister Colin Hansen claim that a 12-percent HST will stimulate the economy.

By Charlie Smith,

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Less than three months after the provincial election, some small-business owners and consumers are feeling like they’ve been sucker-punched by the B.C. Liberal government. It’s all because Premier Gordon Campbell and Finance Minister Colin Hansen declared in late July that the seven-percent provincial sales tax will be combined with the five-percent federal goods-and-services tax, effective July 1, 2010. The new 12-percent harmonized sales tax—known as the HST—will be extended to a broad range of goods and services previously covered by the GST but not the PST. This includes new homes, restaurant meals, and environmentally friendly products such as bicycles, hybrid cars, and green building materials.

Consumers will also pay an extra seven percent every time they attend a movie, a concert, or a theatre performance. If they take a taxi to the show, they’ll have to fork over another seven percent. The HST will also apply to phone, electricity, and cable bills. And that’s not all. Vehicle owners will pay an additional seven percent on any service charges, such as for changing the oil or fixing a flat tire. Accountants, engineers, architects, tradespeople, aestheticians, and acupuncturists—to name just a few occupations—will also charge an extra seven percent. In addition, there will be a new seven-percent tax applied to club memberships, haircuts, and countless other services.


Georgia Straight editor Charlie Smith explains why a new harmonized sales tax could create problems for the B.C. Liberals in the future.

At Rattée Hairstyling for Men near Burrard Street and Broadway, owner James Rattée isn’t thrilled with the news. “I think it’s pretty unfair all of a sudden to stick a 12-percent tax on a haircut,” he told the Georgia Straight. “It just doesn’t make sense.”

Rattée added that he’s not opposed to government taxation but he doesn’t feel that the B.C. Liberals were transparent. “We had no discussion,” he said. “And all of a sudden, government tells us that’s the way it has to be.”

Simon Coutts, the owner of Simon’s Bike Shop on Robson Street, echoed Rattée’s concerns. In a phone interview with the Straight, the blunt-speaking merchant noted that bicycles and bicycle repairs have always been exempted from provincial sales tax. He said he wonders what this means for helmets, lights, and bright vests, all of which reduce a cyclist’s chances of being killed. Coutts is suffering a double whammy, because he’s also a part-time real-estate agent. Any home sales he negotiates will include a 12-percent tax rather than the five-percent GST.

“It’s just one big cash grab,” he grumbled. “In this type of economy, people are struggling.”

Coutts predicted that the B.C. Liberals will be tossed out of power if they introduce the HST. “There will be a groundswell, a coup, against them for putting in the harmonized sales tax,” Coutts said. “It’s not good for anyone’s business.”

Related links

B.C. government news release announcing HST

Federal-provincial agreement to introduce a 12-percent HST to B.C.

NDP petition to stop the HST

B.C. Foodservices and Restaurant Association petition to stop the HST

The Campbell government has claimed that the HST will be revenue-neutral and will spur business investment, enhance productivity, and make B.C. companies more competitive internationally. Currently, companies collect refunds for any GST paid in connection with the cost of operating a business. But businesses can’t claim credits for provincial sales taxes on such things as machinery, office supplies, and computer software. However, under the HST, companies will claim credits for all consumption taxes for “business inputs”. According to the Ministry of Finance, this will save businesses operating in B.C. approximately $2 billion per year.

NDP finance critic Bruce Ralston told the Straight in a phone interview that the HST is a “fundamental shift of the tax burden from business to consumers”. He cited a 2008 C.D. Howe Institute study, which suggested that between 2010 and 2012, the B.C. government would collect an additional $4 billion in consumption taxes under the HST. He wryly stated that the Toronto think tank’s calculation was not revenue-neutral at all, adding that his party plans to vote against the HST.

“Despite the flatulent, overblown rhetoric of Gordon Campbell that this is the single best thing that could be done to stimulate the economy, I think it’s clear from industry concerns—the restaurant industry—that it will have a dampening effect on consumers’ willingness to spend,” Ralston said.

Not everyone agrees with Ralston. Maureen Bader, the provincial director of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation, told the Straight by phone that the HST will make the tax system simpler. She said that after this measure was introduced in some Atlantic provinces in 1997, business investment rose. “There will be a short-term price increase for consumers,” Bader acknowledged. “So the Canadian Taxpayers Federation is suggesting an increase in the basic personal exemption on income tax. But over the long term, prices should go down to consumers as businesses, in a competitive environment, lower their prices.”

Another supporter, SFU economist Jon Kesselman, told the Straight in a phone interview that the reform is “long overdue”. He noted that increased business investment can lead to more employment and higher wages for workers. And although it appears that the HST will shift the tax burden from businesses to the public, he claimed that this isn’t an “accurate depiction”, because companies will reduce prices as their tax burden falls.

“If everything is taxed at the same rate, it doesn’t bias people’s choices between doing one thing versus another,” Kesselman said. “And to collect the same revenue and give businesses the input credits—which are really needed for better efficiency in the economy and more investments—you do need to tax a broader range of consumer goods.”

HST and Health Services

Some health services, such as physiotherapy and chiropractic care, are GST-exempt, which means they will also be exempt from the HST. Other health services, such as acupuncture and homeopathy, are not GST-exempt. Therefore, they will be subject to the HST. A full list of GST-exempt health services can be found at this link.

Hansen and federal finance minister Jim Flaherty signed an agreement last month stipulating that B.C. won’t collect a seven-percent tax on “motive fuels, children’s clothing and footwear, children’s car seats, feminine-hygiene products, and books”. As part of the deal, the B.C. government will receive $1.6 billion from Ottawa to cover transition costs. The province cannot create exemptions for any more than five percent of B.C.’s estimated GST base, which, according to the NDP, will restrict exemptions primarily to the purchase of fossil fuels.

The government has announced a five-percent rebate on new housing up to a purchase price of $400,000. This means a maximum rebate of $20,000. The Ministry of Finance has claimed there is already an “embedded” provincial sales tax of two percent on new homes, which will no longer be embedded under the HST. Publishers, on the other hand, will likely lose a provincial exemption on paying tax on purchases of newsprint and other paper.

Meanwhile, the HST won’t apply to goods and services not covered by the GST, including prescribed medicines and diagnostic services, many health services, and nearly all food in grocery stores. This gives a competitive advantage to grocery owners—including Jimmy Pattison—over restaurant owners. Not surprisingly, the British Columbia Restaurant & Foodservices Association has urged its members to write letters to the minister of finance.

In a recent phone interview with the Straight, BCRFA president and CEO Ian Tostenson said that restaurant-industry sales fell between seven and 10 percent after the federal government introduced the GST in 1991. “Prior to the GST coming in, restaurants had about 50 percent of the share of the food market relative to grocery stores, and that dropped down to about 39 percent,” he said. “It has never really recovered.”

Tostenson predicted that the HST will have a similar impact on B.C.’s $10-billion food-and-beverage industry, which has been battered by an economic slowdown. He described a 12-percent tax on restaurant meals as a “negative psychological block” for consumers, who will reduce tips to servers. “We also see an effect on employment,” he said. “Restaurants just won’t be hiring.”

Prior to the May 12 election, the Canadian Restaurant and Foodservices Association asked the B.C. Liberals and the NDP if they opposed harmonizing the GST and provincial sales tax. Here is part of the B.C. Liberals’ response: “The harmonized GST would make it harder for future provincial governments to lower or raise sales tax rates, which reduces flexibility. In short, a harmonized GST is not something that is contemplated in the B.C. Liberal platform, but we are committed to improving the tax system.” The NDP stated that it would not harmonize the GST and PST.

Tostenson said the finance minister appears to want to mitigate damage caused by the HST. He noted that the provincial liquor tax was recently lowered from 10 percent to seven percent, but he claimed that this won’t offset the HST’s negative impact. “I think the industry is clearly saying to us, ”˜Nothing short of removal of the tax is going to work,’ ” Tostenson said. “What we’ve seen now, this isn’t so much a resturant problem. It’s a consumer problem. They’re not going to go to restaurants. The consumers have to get very engaged and demand some answers from government.”

The BCRFA and Tostenson personally supported the B.C. Liberals during the recent election campaign when the party announced that it wouldn’t increase the minimum wage, unlike the NDP. Tostenson said that members of his association had no idea that they would face a 12-percent restaurant tax after the election from the B.C. Liberals.

“In the words of a restaurant operator—a very well-known restaurant operator—the minimum-wage issue is nothing compared to this,” Tostenson said. “There is a real sense of disappointment.”

Former NDP MLA David Schreck, a health economist, has compared the BCRFA’s response to the government to “a beating with a wet noodle”. On his Web site Schreck wrote that the real test of the association’s resolve will be if it moves its on-line petition to the front counter of every restaurant in the province. “That is what it would take to get noticed,” Schreck stated, “but it is doubtful whether the Restaurant Association has the political will to thump the nose of the Campbell government that hard.”


On July 31, Minister of Finance Colin Hansen explained the implications of the harmonized sales tax for British Columbians. Interview by Charlie Smith for the Georgia Straight.

Even though the HST has been praised by economists such as Kesselman, Campbell and Hansen face a growing backlash from others. Communications consultant and 24 hours newspaper columnist Bill Tieleman has started a Facebook group, and former Social Credit premier Bill Vander Zalm has promised to do what he can to help axe the HST.

There was a rally against the HST on the B.C. Day weekend in Burnaby attended by NDP MLAs. The Opposition party has also created an on-line petition calling on the Campbell government to scrap plans to introduce the HST in 2010.

The Straight visited Hansen at the B.C. government’s Vancouver cabinet office on July 31—the same day that Vander Zalm appeared on the front page of the Province newspaper holding a red “Stop” sign. Hansen said the $1.6-billion federal payment was not the reason why his government is harmonizing federal and provincial sales taxes, although he acknowledged that this would come in “very, very handy” in dealing with some fiscal challenges.

Listen to the complete interview with B.C. Minister of Finance Colin Hansen.

“The provincial government revenues are dependent on a strong provincial economy,” Hansen said. “What we have been told by numerous studies and economists is that the single biggest initiative we could do to stimulate the B.C. economy going forward is to adopt the HST.”

The finance minister acknowledged that the restaurant industry has legitimate concerns, but claimed that it was “exaggerating” its case against the HST. Hansen repeatedly stated that the elimination of an “embedded PST” will give an enormous boost to businesses, including restaurants. He said that every time a company buys a chair, for example, it’s stuck paying a seven-percent provincial sales tax. That will change under the HST because businesses will claim credits for these inputs. And he claimed that this will lead to lower prices.

“I know people are skeptical,” Hansen said. “They’ll say, ”˜Well, you know, how do you know it’s being passed on to the consumer?’ The studies that have been done about the introduction of HST demonstrate that.”

A 2007 study by University of Toronto economist Michael Smart for the C. D. Howe Institute demonstrated that selected consumer prices, as measured by the Consumer Price Index, fell by 0.3 percent more in three Atlantic provinces that adopted the HST after 1997 when compared with the same prices in provinces that maintained retail sales taxes. The largest decrease, at 3.2 percent, was for alcohol and tobacco products. The greatest increase, at 1.5 percent, was for clothing and footwear, followed by 1.4 percent for shelter.

“Since expenditure shares for these categories tend to be larger for low-income households, this suggests that the reform was regressive in that it raised average prices for low-income households while lowering prices overall,” Smart wrote. The B.C. government has promised that a refundable B.C. income-tax credit will be paid with the current GST credit to offset the HST’s impact on low-income residents.

Smart’s study also noted a significant annual increase in business investment in machinery and equipment in the harmonizing provinces compared with those that retained retail sales taxes. The increase in relative business investment was transitory, Smart reported, though it resulted in a permanent increase in the capital stock of the province.

Hansen maintained that the province needed to take action in response to the introduction of the HST in Ontario. Otherwise, he suggested, B.C. risked losing capital investment. He claimed that finance-ministry officials were looking at the HST during the “interregnum”—the election period—and he didn’t get involved in the issue until after May 12. By that time, Hansen said that it became obvious to him that the ground had shifted significantly. That’s when he started studying the implications of Ontario’s decision on the B.C. economy.

“When we started looking seriously at this at the end of March—sorry, at the end of May—I spent a fair amount of time on-line,” Hansen said.

Ralston said he doesn’t believe it. The NDP finance critic said that Ontario premier Dalton McGuinty announced the HST on January 29, and it was included in the March 26 Ontario budget. The B.C. election period began on April 12 with the dissolution of the legislature.

“It’s clear they knew about it well before the election call,” Ralston claimed. “And if he [Hansen] is to be believed on his importance of the comparability to Ontario, they obviously were thinking about it well before the election.”

Ralston noted that the B.C. Liberals told the restaurant industry before the election that they had no plans to harmonize the tax, which he characterized as a “completely and totally false” statement.

The Straight asked Hansen for his response to anyone who might believe that B.C. Liberals had a secret agenda before the election to impose the HST to balance the budget—and that he chose not to tell the public during the election campaign. “I would say, ”˜That is absolutely untrue,’ ” Hansen replied.

There has been talk of recalling B.C. Liberal MLAs because of the HST. Ralston, however, said this can’t be initiated under recall legislation until at least 18 months after the election.

This means it will take quite some time—possibly not until the May 2013 provincial election—before the public can render its verdict.

With files from Matthew Burrows and Carlito Pablo.

Comments

Evil Eye
Hey guys, has Campbell ever told the truth? In fact has he done anything honestly?
 
Smartiepants
Laws are only laws because governments threaten the people with force and violence if they don't comply. That already tells you a lot. Governments always terrorize their citizens and force them to do things they normally would never do. People don't need to be governed they can govern themselves.
 
Mister Hister
Hey Gordo; why don't you just come over to my house with your low-carbon-footprint wheel barrel and load up on more cash. My kids don't need to eat, do they? I only have to pay the highest rental rates in Canada and now I can't even afford your damn medical system. Give us a break already we are over taxed.
It was your grand idea to throw the world a overpriced Olympic party so why don't you give up your paycheck this year and leave the rest of us out of it. I just hope those people who voted for you finally see the light, you're a liar and you HATE ordinary people. Most of us are clinging to our jobs and you want more? We are drowning you idiot.
 
L
Geez, this is scary.
Two questions - as a freelancer, will I have to tell clients they have to pay an extra 12% on my fees (instead of 5%)?
And, for a single individual at BC's average income rate and average expenses rate, how much will this add to our yearly average outgo?
What about for a family of four at BC's average income rate and average expenses rate, how much will be added to their their yearly average outgo?
I'm not interested here in the spin in how much businesses will drop their prices to compensate -- but can some math/economics person help with this info and add it into these comments? Thx
 
Jaded in Vancouver
I hope that those complainers are among the 51 % of voters who showed up to cast their ballot. Otherwise, shut up; you got what you deserve.
 
p'doff
Ever so disgusted..nailed again. Unrelenting tax, imposed in an ever increasing devious manner, to feed the ivory tower. HST hurts the little guy Gordo.
 
ArnoS
I wouldn't mind if there were no exemptions, but it really rankles that "motive fuels" remain PST exempt while bicycles and bicycle safety equipment which were previously PST exempt will no longer be exempt. How are we ever going to reduce our ghg emissions if driving is encouraged and cycling is discouraged.
 
History Buff
You make the unpopular changes at the start, by the time 4 years have rolled past, people will have forgotten, then a few months before the election you hand out loppipops, in the form of a tax cut, and get re-elected, Wacky and Soc Cred did that for years and the public falls for it every time.
 
Gary
Those vultures in Victoria and Ottaw just can't dig deep enough into our pockets, can they? No matter how much they take from the tax payer and the working guy, they always need and want us to give more. Well, I don't see Campbell or ANY politicians for that matter, stepping up to the plate and taking a wage roll back. I remember listening to Campbell on the radio when he ran for office the first time telling everyone how he came from a working family and he really knew and understood what life is all about about here in the working class. Liar! He is as far removed from that reality as the east is from the west. He's a politician - and as such, he is not accountable for anything including his own word and his promises and all that matters to him is his legacy - his precious Olympic boondoggle that we, the people and our children, will be paying for for decades. He and ALL politicians do not care or want to know how people struggle in ther working class - and that goes for the all promising NDP Party who are sucking up to the public now but I can promise you that if they were in power, they'd likely be doing the same thing. The whole system is rotten to the core and corrupt. They are cutting back on essential services to fund a sports event to pad their own pockets and the pockets of their friends. What a sick, sick joke. At least, that is my opinion.
 
Astro
The BC govt is getting $1.6billion from the federal govt to implement the HST. Where did that money come from? Why it came from us. So we are bribing ourselves with our taxes to increase our taxes. There appears to be a disconnect here.
And if this was such a great idea, why wasn't it brought forward in the election campaign?
From Skywalker, just above, "So Fiat lux is correct. Cost can't be cut, only transferred and that presents a pretty scary scenario with the liberal fascists in Victoria."
In this case, the cost of the HST is a double whammy. We pay the Federal govt the $1.6 billion that is used to implement the HST. An we pay 12% HST on everything we buy.
The money is transferred twice from us to the federal and provincial govts.
 
Tieleman
Thanks for the mention of my Facebook protest group NO BC HST - which now has over 35,000 members! Straight readers can sign up at:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=105998706732

Bill Tieleman
Bill Tieleman
 
this is who u voted for
that about all I can say is this is who you voted for
 
Clive
Looks like Gordo and his sidekick Colin Hansen are the two most hated guys in B.C. and rightly so. Keep this HST under their hats before the election and then slam us with it 2 months later. I reckon they both hate the average working person as thats who its going to hurt the most.
 
Bernadette Keenan
I would like to see copies of those reports that Colin Hansen says say this is the best stimulus for the economy
BernadetteK
 
Ray Sotto
When the GST was implemented, we the taxpayers, were told the same thing - prices would go down because thManufacturer's tax was built in. That never happened! We just ended up paying an additional 7% on everything! We were told the price of cars would go down. That never happened - we just eneded up paying several thousands more for new cars. I am sick and tired of being lied to by all levels of government. How does charging 7% on top of the price of a new home benefit British Columbians? We already have the most expensive housing in the nation. Do you think the average working person can afford several tens of thousands of dollars more for a home, just to hand over to the government?

I have always voted Liberal, but had I been told about the HST, instead of being lied to, I would have never voted for them. Again, I would urge the government to consider the devasting effects this tax will have on the average British Columbian.
 
Olympic Money Grab
What better way to reduce inevitable Olympic deficits than taking a bigger slice of the pie when all those foreigners come to town? I would almost say this is a good way to top up empty coffers with some outside dollars, except for the fact that there's no way this tax will disappear once the Olympics are over.
 
Gregson
Absolutely disgusting and undemocratic - typical behaviour for Gordon Campbell. Clearly he has no understanding, or more likely does not care, how average British Columbians will be negatively impacted by this regressive taxation. What next - taxing child care services ?
 
raoul indahay
I knew people like these two in high school. They snitched on people, didn't have much of a life and aligned themselves with those who could move them forward. Campbell's nightly hawaiian bar tab was more than he allows an out of work honest person to collect on social assistance or a disabled person to qualify for. Similar to Pinnochio's nose, Hansen's nostrils flare when he lies - watch for it! I wonder if hanging people from their fingernails with rusty hooks until they bleed out is illegal? At the very least people, let's grow a couple and kick their lying ugly asses out of BC. They scummed their way into office knowing this tax was their intention and are daring to do this in a recession when people's live are ruined! They're out of touch, pocket lining, smarmy, self serving, narcissistic, shit eating grinning assholes. I say hang em high!!!!
 
pablo piccosso
I know how we can emerge from the recession - raffle off a ticket for a chance to win thirty minutes in a locked room with these two.
 
Troy
The HST is good economic policy and is a good move. BC residents demand gold plated services be provided by their government. Unfortunately social services do have a cost and paying taxes is what sustains our social safety net. The average voter and consumer does not understand the complexity of hidden taxes paid by business on their inputs and the effect this has on the final selling price before sales tax is added. The average voter will see this in the light of "My $5.00 combo will now cost more..." Over time, these worries will be unfounded as goods and services are brought to the consumer in a more competitive manner than they are today, notwithstanding the visibly higher consumption taxes. Thank you to Ontario for getting the ball rolling on this and forcing the other provinces in line. I suppose the power centre of the country really isn't moving westward, isn't it?
 
FED UP
Hansen's argument here has two loopholes: 1) He cites a study on another province, which has no relevance to our province. WHY did he not commission a study on the BC economy BEFORE passing this policy? 2) EVEN IF some businesses may benefit from HST, the general consumer have to bleed more cash if they maintain their current expenditure/practices (say, going for a hair cut once a mth, two restaurant meals, one taxi ride). HOW will the savings be passed on to us consumers? Will this not cause us to REDUCE our expenditure? Have you done a study on this issue?

Hansen: we are NOT stupid; at least I won't make such an argument like you did and expose your stupidity to the media. All I want to know is how will BC be affected. Show us the figures, the full projections, and show us how consumers will spend less, not more, if we maintain our existing practices. Show us some common sense.
 
RickW
Campbell in opposition decried the "excessive" taxes under the NDP, claiming that it was stifling business and investment. I suppose a Campbell tax increase is somehow different. Now, if I understand this correctly, the new HST will be easier on business and will be paid directly by the consumer (which I understood is the case at present anyway) -- and this somehow will bring more business into the province. Granting this, how will new businesses thrive when the consumer has less money to spend overall?
RickW
 
RickW
Troy:
"BC residents demand gold plated services be provided by their government. Unfortunately social services do have a cost and paying taxes is what sustains our social safety net."

Imagine (if you can) what could be done for healthcare, education, and the social safety net, had the Convention Centre, the Sea-to-Sky, the 2010 fiasco, and the RAV subway weren't funded by the province. Further, cancel the Port Mann Bridge project so a few more billions could be thrown into the pot.

We don't "demand" gold-plated services. But the construction companies certainly demand (and get) gold-plated projects........
RickW
 
VanManCan
Troy,

Prices don't go down when taxes are added. Feel free to provide evidence to the contrary.
 
ME
If we want to compare, why not with Alberta instead of Ontario? Alberta has no PST and is doing much better economically than Ontario, BC and rest of Canada, even in tough times.
 
Harold Bridge
It worries me that Victoria's arithmetic only includes addition.
I would hope there is enough brain power in Ottawa & Victoria to come up with an adjusted HST based upon the current level of taxation. Accountents juggle figures like that all the time.
Canada should grow up & become one country instead of a bunch of Balkan States.
 
Consumers at large
The simple reality is HST will levy more expenses on consumers at alrge with regard to services and goods (almost everything) etc.The side effect is it will surely hurt the BC economy and the chain reaction is less employments and meagre investments.
 
THE VOICE
actions speak louder thans folks , you will all pay it in the end ... me i am not going to pay anymore income tax or any other tax , hand back the birth certificate .... meet it or beat it!!!
 
Yudachef
The chances that businesses or Restaurants will lower their prices is ridicules. as we've seen in the past, most business never go down in price they only go up. So now they're making an extra 7 percent in refunds while we're paying another 7% i can't see price cuts anywhere. if i'm making an additional 7% i'm not pocketing more money, do i want to give that up by lowering the cost of my food or service? haha i dont think it will happen.
 
Lordo
I preferred Gordo when he was a drunk driving bum; did I say WAS a bum.
You know that saying saying about fooling some of the people all of the time, all of the people some of the time; you don't think Gordo a.k.a. liar liar pants on fire, and his ventriloquist's dummy Colin-- let me kiss your bum Gordon-- Hansen, don't have a good laugh over that one at cocktail hour.
They're having a laugh alright, and we are the butt of the joke.
 
Russ Miller
We have a non-partisan growing petition here:

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/stoptheHST

Over 1 700 British Columbians have voiced outrage here, not because of their political affiliation, but because they are concerned! New Democrats, Liberals, Greens, Independents all signed this petition to call on the Govt to rethink this HST move. Please show your support!

This is a grassroots movement, not just a BCNDP talking point! There are OTHER petitions from private citizens that mean much more than political posturing from political parties.
 
SFU Laughable
Funny last time SFU was engaged in conversations about lowly wages SFU told British Columbinas any increase costs to small business would force them to go under.
But thanks to the added expense of a tax that will affect consumption business will all of a sudden find it advantageous to increase slave wages.
Where do these guys get there spin from as former aid of communications Basi is up on charges and am sure Campbell's Liberals have found someone just as underhanded as SFU is always prepared to back premier's stuff.
What does business have to say about increasing taxes? Well owners say business will not be able to increase wages despite many servers being short changed on tips as tax will take its tole on employees as well.
 
Keith
Campbell should have been axed right after his impaired.Now there is a longer list of reasons form the CN Rail,the over budget convention center,and the fact that nobody know's the final total of the olympic's yet....just to name a few more reasons.
But if the NDP takes his place you know one of the first things they are going to say is.......Everything is worse than we first thought.
So guess what happens after that.
 
Gary Hee
Dear Reader:
During the recent provincial election, I attended a total of 5 All-Candidate Meetings in North Vancouver and Vancouver. As a BC Conservative Candidate, I did not hear any Liberal Candidate that the HST was part of their platform or mandate. Without advising us, we were misled or deceived by the Liberal Party campaign material and immorally lead to believe that the Liberal position on HST was non-existent issue according to your printed interview session. Those elected Liberal candidate who feel tricked ought to consider quitting the Liberal Party and run as Independant MLAs, with the Independant MLA from Delta B.C., in true honour. Canadians like Chuck Cadman exemplifies honesty and integrity and deserves our respect and gratitude. Today, I look forward to initiating a North Vancouver Chapter of "CITIZENS AGAINST HST". New members are welcomed to join by e-mailing me at garyhee@hotmail.com
 
John Travolta
John Travolta and Samuel Jackson discuss the HST - Say No to HST.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atiLnxSKmec
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#4 comedy video in Canada yesterday - pulp fiction parody.

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Senior Citizen
We will be singing "Where have all the tourists gone long time parted" when the room tax goes to 20% from 13 %.
We need another Bill Bennett, circa 1950s.
G. Campbell,he tells more lies making the NDP look good.
 
Bob Fisher
do u like fish sticks do u enjoy them in your mouth
 
Jose Rodrigues
I can assure you that I'm changing my vote next election. This is a tax on the POOR and they certainly cannot afford it. Let's rise up and revolt. We can't take it anymore.
 
PeterS
@Jaded in Vancouver

I did vote but if someone votes or not doesn’t make a difference if they are a citizen of this country they have the right to complain all they want.

It is this green birth certificate and this black passport that give me the right to complain about the government.

Comments like yours are just Propaganda and an excuse for governments to act the way they; do stop justifying bad government.
 
katharina heitzmann
to troy, re: bc residents demand gold plated services be provided by their government. unfortunately social services do have a cost.______________________________________________

first, i have to be blunt. troy you sound about as stupid and arrogant as gordon campbell when you are referring to the average consumer and votor not understanding the coplexities of.........

perhaps it is you who have no desire to understand reality and struggle of the average working person to make ends meet. the food bank lines keep getting longer, filled with people who cannot live on minimum wage of 8.00/hr. food being donated bymany taxpayers who give what they are able to in these difficult times..

it was exciting to see the energy and joy of the paralympics in the games. however, it did make me think of the many people who are unable to work because of health issues. are you aware these individuals get around 900 a month to live. that includes rent, food, clothes.many of these people were hard working taxpayers who through no fault of their own became ill or disabled. perhaps they even owned their own home but try paying taxes and upkeep on 900 a month. they get nasty letters from the city advising they will be fined if they do not mow their lawn. eventually they loose their home because they are unable to pay their mortgage and/ or taxes.all the time they are dealing with their illness the best they can. imagine yourself if you can, terminally ill, trying to get better under these circumstances. as much as i love being a canadian, at times i am ashamed of how we treat our fellow beings. I would like to see you try to live on 900 a month..
if paying taxes benifited more people such as the needy, the ill, children, education, health,transit, perhaps many of us would not resent the tax money we pay. but this is not the case. our tax money instead is going to pay for the big party of 2010 and all the frills needed by those in power to impress. our dollars are being spent on major infrastructure such as the billion dollar gateway disaster that will poison our children and planet with more pollutants. recently, there have been major earthquakes in different countries that have killed many children due to the poor structure of buildings. here in b.c. we are told it is just a matter of time before the big one hits, yet most of our schools have not been earthquake proofed and no plans to do so. the priority with the liberals in building infrastructure is with freeways rather than keeping our children safe.
 
Lucinda
The only reason the Lieberals are in power is because there hasn't been a decent alternative! BC needs a new leader,maybe even a new party.
 
Shinto
Troy: Prices only go down through Competition. NOT from tax exempts. This is a fundamental fact and a true one. Those economic teachers in SFU are the most dumbest people I have ever met. They can't afford real jobs so they teach. There is not one instance in history where businesses lower there price due to lower taxes. The lower the taxes the more they profit, Rarely do companies lower there prices unless they have competition with lower prices. Governments are incapable of regulating the economy!
 
mln
what is going to ttake to let this government to understand that the people have spoken on this matter. The people can not fford another tax, think about it carbon tax, parking tax, translink tax to name a few.I have been taxed to death. I am fortunite enough work in Alberta live in BC I purchase all clothes for family. along with major purchases such as furniture, car, auto plates and insurance.in order to be able to live in the place of my choice BC.
Gordo get your head out of your butt make it so we can afford to live here
 
SM
I just bought my 12 year old son some socks and shoes. Winners explained that the HST applies to size now. Not age. Shopping across the border into Washington is more attractive than ever. Its only another sign that our government can control and manipulate the public while given themselves more bonus's and perks. I will find every way to stick it back to the government of British Columbia for taxing me more for have children. Short sighted is our government.!!!
 
 
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