Canada Line subsidy will be felt for years to come

The 19-kilometre Canada Line will open with great political fanfare on Monday (August 17).

The public will be allowed to ride for free from 1 p.m. to 9 p.m. on the line, which runs from Waterfront Station to Richmond Centre and to the airport.

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But that's when the free ride will end. TransLink has already acknowledged that it might take  until 2013  before the Canada Line generates 100,000 riders per day.

And  that could be  bad news for taxpayers and transit riders.

InTransit B.C. Limited Partnership, which is the private operator, has signed a 35-year deal with TransLink. And TransLink has guaranteed to subsidize Canada Line ridership shortfalls of less than 100,000 per day.

If TransLink, as a publicly funded body, wants to maintain public trust, it should report this subsidy on a quarterly basis.

TransLink is seeking an additional $450 million per year to enhance the transportation system.  If it gets its wish, there  will be new vehicle-registration charges  as well as  tolls on Metro Vancouver bridges, including those connecting Vancouver to the North Shore.

TransLink had better hope that the peak-oil theorists are wrong. Because if they're correct, it will hit the transportation authority in three ways:

* Airport traffic will diminish, reducing ridership on the Canada Line.

* Rising fuel prices will cause people to curtail driving, which will reduce the amount of fuel taxes (12 cents a litre) rolling into TransLink's coffers.

* Fewer people will be driving over tolled bridges including the Golden Ears Bridge. In the latter case, TransLink will have to offset this by providing greater subsidies to the private operator, just like it will do with the Canada Line if airport traffic diminishes.

The Canada Line is a primary reason why  TransLink is in a financial pinch. I can recall two municipal politicians--Vision Vancouver Coun. Raymond Louie and former North Vancouver City mayor Barbara Sharp--voting in favour of the line in 2004 after a motion passed calling for a $1.35-billion cap on public financing.

The $1.35-billion figure is obvious  fiction after the operating subsidies are included in the equation.

Louie and Sharp caved  in the face of  pressure from the Vancouver Board of Trade, the Vancouver Sun editorial board, the Vancouver Airport Authority, and the provincial and federal  governments, which all wanted the line built.

If drivers, homeowners, and transit riders all end up paying  a great deal more in the coming years, they can lay part of the blame on Louie and Sharp.

But they weren't the only TransLink directors responsible. Senator Larry Campbell, former Surrey  mayor Doug McCallum, Surrey councillor Marvin Hunt, former Langley City mayor Marlene Grinnell, Richmond mayor Malcom Brodie, and former Coquitlam mayor Jon Kingsbury all voted in favour of the Canada Line.  

It's worth noting that Larry  Campbell's friend, SFU criminologist Neil Boyd, cast the deciding vote at the regional board in favour of a $4-billion plan that helped finance TransLink's contribution. At the time, Boyd represented Bowen Island on the regional board.

If the Bowen Island council had left the then-mayor Lisa Barrett on the board, the transportation plan likely would never have been passed because Barrett was a staunch opponent of building the Canada Line  as a P3 project. Barrett also didn't believe the early  forecasts that 100,000 people would be riding the Canada Line in 2009.

Because of a seemingly  insignificant decision--replacing a regional board director in a tiny  island municipality that had one vote at Metro Vancouver--the public might end up paying much higher transportation costs in the future.

Comments

Vancouver Resident
The RAV Line replaces the 98 B-Line, good riddance, how those stinking soot blowing 98 B-Line pieces of junk ever got on the road defies comprehension. We’re in good hands with the tough as nails transportation staff looking after us in the Lower Mainland. They sure know how to make TransLink toe the line when it comes to protecting the air quality.

A quick search on the internet shows that the 98 B-Line has approximately 18,000 boardings daily or 9,000 passengers daily:

http://www.apta.com/research/info/briefings/documents/mills.pdf

The annual revenue from the 98 B-Line might be $20 million if you really push it and do some creative accounting, and maybe 10% of this $2,000 million is left over after paying for the light bulbs at the stations, security costs and other operating costs for the RAV Line. For the $2,000 million cost of the RAV Line, the payback works out to be 1,000 years. By that time, the next tsunami will have put it under the Pacific Ocean along with Richmond.

What kind of retards at TransLink would sign a 35-year deal to guarantee to subsidize the RAV Line ridership for 100,000 per day when it is replacing the 98 B-Line with only 18,000 boardings per day? Geez, let’s just give these TransLink financial wizards another $450 million/yr for the next 10 years; they have it all figured out and we can’t possibly go wrong.

 
Annonymous
Vancouver is the only city I know of in Canada where the transit authority has the power to increase taxes on fuel, or toll bridges/highways. Yet they still continue to complain about funding cuts and threatening to jack up fares or penalize people with a 2.50 surcharge just to go to the airport. (Someone please explain this one to me, as all other major centres in north america don't charge a so called "airport addfare," why does vancouver seem to be the exception?) Don't get me wrong though Vancouver has one of the best transit systems in N.A, I just don't see how they are in financial trouble, it doesn't matter what time of day it is some of the buses are always packed, I have even had to stand coming home at 12:30 in the morning, even if only 90% of riders are actually paying the fare, they are still raking in massive amounts of cash.
 
@ Vancouver Resident
The way they are going to get ridership up on the Canada line is to make it the only way to get to Richmond from Vancouver(unless you want to take a one hour detour through Burnaby or Surrey), and the only way to get to the airport. Have you not heard of their plan? They are terminating the routes that go down to Delta/Tssawassen/White Rock etc at bridgeport Stn in Richmond, therefore forcing riders onto the Canada line to get to Vancouver. They are also eliminating all express service on Granville and Oak St. This is going to force all the disgruntled granville commuters who don't want to stop every 2 blocks, to go up to Cambie and catch the line from where ever to downtown, not to mention all the people who currently travel up cambie will also choose the skytrain over local service, I wouldn't be suprised to see the 15 eliminated within a few years.
 
Former Vancouverite
I'm sure some creative formulas were used to show that the Olympics will carry the RAV line from 18,000 B-Line passengers to 100,000 RAV passengers. Give it 5 more years and the entire plan will be exposed as a total blunder. The simple fact that it doesn't interface with the existing SkyTrain system still boggles my mind. Has anyone posted figures on unpaid fares, B-Line vs. projected RAV line?
 
Jo
I, as a transit user, am tired of subsidizing the DRIVERS of Vancouver. Strange how you rarely ever see articles on that :

Vancouver Sun :

"It is car usage that is subsidized by one and all, to the tune of $6.6 billion dollars annually in B.C, or 42 per cent of the total cost (on average) to operate a vehicle. This statistic has been thoroughly documented, by both the Victoria Transport Policy Institute and the B.C. Ministry of Transportation and Highways"
In the article "Traffic directions for the Burrard Bridge"

 
Vancouver Resident
To @Vancouver Resident, I’m well aware of TransLink’s plan to eliminate local bus routes to supplement regional transit use on the RAV Line. TransLink is out of control and was not created to eliminate local bus routes.

If you ask the ones running TransLink whether a ridership of 100,000 daily means 100,000 passengers (200,000 transit trips daily) or 100,000 transit trips daily, few at TransLink could tell you. TransLink has no clue what it is doing. If we are lucky, the new Transportation Minister will fire them all at TransLink so that we can go back to each municipality operating transit locally to reduce transit fares and improve transit service with TransLink operating the regional SkyTrain service which it was originally established to create.

 
Stephen Rees
"Vancouver Resident's" assumptions are faulty - see
http://stephenrees.wordpress.com/2009/08/16/canada-line-subsidy-will-be-... for details
 
romeogolf
This is what happens when politics and appearances trump sensible planning based on experience & expertise. While you can lay some of the blame on Louie & Sharp, the bulk of the credit for this boondoggle goes to Campbell, Falcon, and the Vancouver Boobs of Trade.
 
Evil Eye
Charlie,

Just browsing some malcontents and anti SkyTrain types and if anyone wants to know the 'dark side' of transit try:

http://railforthevalley.wordpress.com/2009/08/14/a-letter-to-the-editor-...

http://railforthevalley.wordpress.com/2009/08/15/the-skytrain-lobby-pixi...

Could it be they the malcontents and SkyTrain naysayers could be correct? Na, no Gordo promised the Eye that everything about RAV was honest and above board and Gordo never lies, does he????
 
Camero409
Gentle people what we have here is a deliberate attempt not to communicate the true facts, just the ones that Gordo and his minions (Translink) want to. Again all we have to do is follow the money! It's going to the P3 Contractor. I bet they contributed to Gordo's campaign fund. Who is on the board of directors of the P3 contractor? I bet they are the same ones who are on the board of directors for the Run of River projects. It's all about getting taxpayers money. Look at all the highway projects. Most if not all are being constructed by one or two contractors. Where is the open and fair bidding?

Yes Gordo we see through you! I just wish the general population did as well.
 
Evil Eye
What a very strange coincidence that Mayor Larry Campbell, who really was an extremely poor mayor and the only thing he did of note was split COPE, became a Senator, shortly after he switched his vote to support RAV.

Achtung! Nicht RAV!

http://railforthevalley.wordpress.com/2009/07/05/%e2%80%9cif-you-tell-a-...
 
Eric Chris
Jo, I don’t know what twisted logic you and the Vancouver Sun have in trying to assert that drivers are subsidized by transit users. Drivers pay taxes to maintain the roads, and transit is a glorified welfare program which drivers subsidize. Get your facts straight.

For your information, the Vancouver Sun is controlled by TransLink or at least greatly influenced by TransLink and tends to write stories to make readers sympathize with TransLink. The Georgia Straight does not censor comments and gives readers a fair chance to express their views. The same cannot be said about the Vancouver Sun which is more concerned about its advertising money from TransLink than printing the truth.
 
Vancouver Resident
Stephen, yes you are right, in my haste to post, I meant to say the following: “The annual revenue from the 98 B-Line might be $20 million if you really push it and do some creative accounting, and maybe 10% of this $20 million is left over after paying for the light bulbs at the stations, security costs and other operating costs for the RAV Line.”

Stephen, this annual $20 million is based on the two-zone fare for all 18,000 boardings for 365 days, which is highly conservative as many of the 98 B-Line users likely use monthly passes and the $20 million annual revenue is probably closer to $10 million in annual revenue for 9,000 transit users (2 boardings ~ 1 transit user). The people making the connection from buses to the RAV Line will be transfers and won’t add any more revenue to the RAV Line.

Initially, it’s easy to predict the revenue from the RAV Line, from the 98 B-Line revenue, if you read in between the lines, but the ones who approved the RAV Line didn’t read in between the lines. Over time, as you suggest, the land surrounding the RAV Line will fill up with high density housing and transit use will increase. Even with increased transit use, it is hard to see how paying off $1.35 billion over 35 years or $40 million/yr just for the principal without taking into account any operating expenses is going to happen.

You are the economist, any thoughts? Is the RAV Line going to pay for itself without that $450 million/yr which TransLink wants to supposedly improve service?
 
Realist
RAV and B-line ridership are poor comparisons because one system is a kind that normal people might actually not mind using, and the other is a bus.
 
Evil Eye
The problem with RAV is if one takes a car to a Park & Ride, it will cost more to park and pay a fare on RAV than to drive into town and if transit users don't like taking the bus, they will not take a bus to RAV.

TransLink was told this a decade ago, but they know better don't they.

Now with the Great Premier at the helm of regional transit planning, it's all rubber on asphalt - Gateway forever!

http://railforthevalley.wordpress.com/2009/04/23/debunking-the-skytrain-...
 
Donald
If the Millennium Line which travels through sparsely populated areas can manage to attract 60,000+ riders a day, I have confidence that the Canada Line will attract 100,000 riders a day.
 
Gerry
These comments are more like arguments than comments. Excellent article talking about important items, I have not seen anywhere else. Pretty scary history of what went on. Lots of backroom arm twisting by rich corporations.
I'm not sure anyone can afford any of this. It all looks like one big con job. Whos getting value for money, Intransit and the other investors. Thanks Mr Smith.
 
calgary/van resident
The Canada line (1.4 billion orginal budget)we are told will ultimately do 100,000 passenger per day and make a profit for the 2 billion invested plus law suits pending.. Living part of the year in Calgary and using the Calgary South LRT Line I make the following comment. The Calgary South Line is about 20 km long has 14 stations and parks 10,000. The line comes through all residential areas , serives major business along Macleod Trail, the NHL Ring, Stampede Grounds and runs the total length of a much larger down town in terms of office workers. The Calgary South line does an average of 75,000 passenger and heavily used week days. It was also built prior to the Olympics and has worked well for around 25 years. Comparing the route to the Canada line for potenal passengers and what it services one would guess that it The Canadain Line may see 40,000 people per day tops not 100,000. Calgary does 290,000 passenger rides per day for the total system built for what the City claims is 600 million over the years. The Canada Line is yet another example of a huge tax payer lay out to support 2010 that will benifits very few citizens It will likely need tax payer help for decades to get the volume needed to turn profit. I am sure day by day the citzens of Calgary are greatfull those envolved in the 1988 process were a lot better tecnically qualfied and the brighter then the 3 stooges (Furlong,Cambell,Sulivan) and friends that head the ''2010 Tax Payers Olympics" here. Every day a new claim to be on budget and every day a need for more money to go forward. Imagine what a better place old Vancouver would be taking the 10 billion plus needed for the Olympic Promises and funding projets needed bt the majority of the population paying for 2010.

 
Chris Van Ihinger
We all deplore the decision to abandon the existing bus transit services from Richmond, White Rock and other southern routes into and out of downtown Vancouver. We clearly remember the original purpose of the Canada Line was to get people out of their cars and into public transit. Filling the Canada Line with existing bus riders will not encourage people to leave their cars in the garage. Quite the contrary, it will tip many erstwhile bus riders back into their motor cars.

We understand that part of the reasoning for cancelling the bus routes is to ensure high ridership numbers on the Canada line, but somehow we suspect that this has more to do with avoiding any penalty fees Translink (i.e. we taxpayers) would have to pay to the private-for-profit Canada line operator for failing to meet our contractually guaranteed ridership quotas.

Here's a suggestion fro "Back to driving" and " Busrider": Take your bicycle on the Canada line, then cycle the remaining distance. According to the advertising and news media, the Canada Line welcomes cycles at all times, in both directions, with no rush-hour restrictions. Saves gas, saves time.

 
Charles D Carroll
Sorry, but I agree with the car haters. I realize cars are convenient--nay even essential in many parts of North America. But the costs of the car on the environment, the lifestyles of others and in geo-political terms are incalculable. When it comes to the car lifestyle we calculate only the benefits and NEVER the costs. Complaining about public transit is trendy and hip, but the complainers never talk the pedestrians and bicyclists killed, the oil economies subsidized, the cities hollowed out, or the environment ruined by their need to drive. Why not?
 
Jo
"Jo, I don’t know what twisted logic you and the Vancouver Sun have in trying to assert that drivers are subsidized by transit users. Drivers pay taxes to maintain the roads, and transit is a glorified welfare program which drivers subsidize. Get your facts straight. "

Get your facts straight my friend. Gas taxes do not come close to covering the cost of infrastructure they rely upon. Just google 'do gas taxes cover road costs'. The only issue is the fact isn't well know, it doesn't mean its wrong (wouldn't that be more of a 'conspiracy' ?). You are also not factoring in the insane health care costs vehicles cause, they are by far the number one accidental cause of death and disability. Every time you see a bicyclist or someone taking transit please take them time to wave to them, they are subsidizing your requirement to drive by 40 percent. Drive if you like, don't pretend you aren't doing it on the back of all taxpayers.
 
Evil Eye
Most of the ridership on the Millennium Line ridership is culled from the Expo Line, thus not new ridership at all. It is faster to from Broadway to the Lougheed Mall via the Millennium Line, than by the Expo Line.

Of course no one really knows how many people use SkyTrain, even TransLink admits that ridership figures are guesstimates!

The trick is not to run enough trains (about 25% of the rolling stock is out of service at any given time) to give the impression of overcrowding. It's an old dodge and it seems to work on Metro Vancouver's rather inept lot of Mayors and Councilors.

Ever notice that TransLink's bureaucrats turn a pale shade of green when an independent audit is mentioned for the metro. Seems they are afraid of the truth.

Notice no one else builds with SkyTrain?

Notice how high our TransLink property tax is?

Notice that there are more cars on the road than ever?
 
Phanyxx
In the short term, the RAV line will be extremely expensive; however, it is a form of transportation that people are willing to use. I live in a tower right beside Gilmore Skytrain station, and every morning hundreds of people from the surrounding condo towers ride the train to work. Viable transit is worth it. Live in the suburbs and be forced to drive everywhere? Not even if you bought me the house.
 
100,000 today?
How close did we come to 100,000 today?
 
it felt like 100,000
Pretty close, it was a zoo at waterfront, vancouver city centre and YVR. I think we'll get to 100K pretty fast, and I even wonder if we are going to have trouble expanding in the future...
 
PC
One question. How will Tranlink determine whether to pay a subsidy to the private operator or not based on the 100,000 users/day when they have no means to count. Where are the turnstiles?
 
Evil Eye
Media bits:

The Sun, which predicted 100,000 riders on RAV yesterday, said today almost 80,000 rode for free, which probably means 70,000 in real terms.

The Eye saw this on another blog but finds it interesting.

"I find that this ”˜magic’ 100,000 passenger number, “then the Canada Line breaks even”, is very simplistic.

Is that 100,000 passengers paying full fare? What about all those Langara students with their discounted U-Passes using RAV, how does that affect revenue? Will TransLink apportion fares between bus and RAV or will the bus system be ignored while bus revenue is skimmed into RAV’s coffers?

Apportioning fares is extremely important if the majority of RAV’s ridership will first have to take a bus to the metro.

Without a “Oyster Card” system or something like it, how can TransLink apportion fares? Do they care? What about concession fares and the YVR surcharge, how will that factor in revenue collection? Will the Day-Pass need a YVR supplement?

For many, these questions may seem too technical, but with the P-3 charade, there is going to be some interesting and questionable accounting taking place and if TransLink gets the tax revenue it wants, the real financial viability of the metro will be buried for a generation."

More and more this 100,000 passenger number and everything is rosy after, is nothing more than ”˜Pixie-dust’ planning meant to confuse the media and just about everyone else.
 
Ripley
Eric Chris, are you kidding? Do you think that all those roads and mandatory (usually under crazy municipal bylaws) parking spaces are free? Both transit and driving are hugely subsidized by multiple levels of government.
 
Eric Chris
Ripley, I was always under the impression that drivers paid registration fees and gas taxes to pay for the road network while also paying a little extra to subsidize transit, too. Maybe, you are right and it’s the other way around with TransLink paying the gas tax and drivers receiving the gas tax money. Call TransLink and ask TransLink how much gas tax it is paying to subsidize drivers.
 
p lg
Just who is subsidizing car owners in the region? Transit users?

Since 2/3 of the revenue Translink takes in comes from the 90% of those in the region who own cars, the rest from fares, then just who is doing the subsidizing.

In addition, its not transit fares that pay for the roads, its fuel taxes, provincial sales and income taxes. And where do these taxes come from? They are not Tranlinks, they are the taxes coming from the vast majority of regional residents who don't have even a basic transit service let alone a toy subway costing well over $2 billion.

Not to sound like I am pro cars but I am so tired of those who can't look for themselves and see that only 5% of Translink's budget is spent on roads and bridges. And where is the rest going to? Is it benefiting all regional residents or just those living in the core of the region which make up only 35% of the region's population?

If you were to blame a few things for Translink's continual financial problems it would be the building of two urban rail lines, the Millenium and RAV Line, as well as the Golden Ears Bridge. It's spend and tax ways have just got to end.

Next time I think Translink should sell bonds to pay for their big ticket items. The bonds would be rated on a real business plan and would pay out based on performance or cost recovery. Just how many of you RAV boosters would fork over your own money to pay for something that is going to benefit only 1% of the commuters in the region and have dismall revenue and boarding returns?

And to force transit users from south of the Fraser to help pay for this mess is just another example of poor planning and a way to anger the vast majority who have to subsidize the transit system with no added benefits.

 
Yeah sure
I left Van in 2003 to live overseas, pretty much when the vote for the big "O" came through. (No-the other big O you pervs) I was back and checked out the new line this month. Pretty impressive, I was not impressed by the price tag- I hope it works well for the greatest city in the world. I found $3.75 a decent price for a ride downtown in about 20min. Go Van!
 
John T - Vancouver
There seems to be an inordinate amount of whining about Canada Line from Straight Readers. Pioneers built Vancouver long before you came along; Canada Line is a big pioneering project that your kids and grandkids will thank you for - especially after you've used up all their oil.
In one day (Friday Sept 11) 92,000 trips were made on the Canada Line system: that would fill BC Place, GM Place, AND the Pacific Coliseum.
Do yourself a favour and ask the people on the train what they think - ask them why they're leaving their cars behind - Translink has hit a home run with Canada Line - riders love it. Check for yourself and ask 'em.
 
wake up John
John, the RAV Line is a disgrace and so is the Premier for allowing his inflated ego to build it. If terrorists don't destroy it during the Olympics, drug dealers and other creeps, eventually will.
 
 
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