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High-interest student loans a burden for graduates

By Shadi Elien,

UBC graduate Jenn Duong says that, thanks to her remaining $23,000 federal student-loan debt, she is unlikely to qualify for a mortgage.

Jenn Duong has fond memories of her political-science studies at UBC. It was only after graduation that she learned they came with a bigger price than she anticipated.

Duong, 25, borrowed $29,000 from the federal and provincial student-loan programs to finance her education. Now working for a bank, she said she is shocked that she must pay higher interest rates than those with conventional bank loans.

“I think it’s unfair that someone can take out a loan with the government that has a higher interest rate than taking one out from the bank,” Duong said in a phone interview with the Georgia Straight.

She’s not alone. According to Vancouver financial writer Jeannine Mitchell—who operates the Debt 101 Web site—young people across the country are contributing huge sums of money to a bureaucratic system financed, in part, by excessive student-loan interest rates. “The net annual cost of running the Canada Student Loans Program is over half a billion,” Mitchell said in a phone interview. “I think that Canada’s high student-loan interest rates have more to do with our expensive student-loans system than with banking arguments about student-loan risk.”

Duong decided to lock in at a fixed interest rate of almost 10 percent four years ago. This came after a student-loan official warned her that interest rates were bound to go up. After noticing that her payments had barely made a dent in her B.C. student loan (after three years of monthly payments, her loan had only been reduced by $1,300), she took out a line of credit—with a lower interest rate from the bank—and paid off the $6,000 provincial portion of her debt.

Duong is trying to purchase her first home, but says her remaining $23,000 federal student loan makes it unlikely she’ll qualify for a mortgage. “This is a huge amount of debt,” she said, “especially since they [the government] want you to start buying and stimulating the economy; they keep encouraging first-time home buyers. But half of first-time home buyers have these high-interest student loans, and they can’t get a mortgage.”

According to the Canada Student Loans Program annual report from 2005-06 (the most recently published relevant numbers), the amount allocated to federal student-loan programs totalled $931.1 million; of that amount $395.6 million was revenue from loan interest charges.

Ottawa requires students to pay at either a fixed or a floating rate. As stated on the federal government’s Web site, fixed-rate loans require students to pay prime (currently 2.25 percent) plus five percent. A floating rate is dependent on the current interest rate—for example, it’s now at prime plus 2.5 percent. Students can be paying as much as 7.25 percent interest on their student loans.

Mitchell blamed Canada’s needlessly complicated student-loan system for the high interest rates. “It’s a kind of a Rube Goldberg machine,” she said. “We have federal, provincial, and territorial loans bureaucracies running different privatized service centres and all kinds of complicated repayment programs. To jack the costs even higher, these systems and programs keep changing.”

Mitchell said she wants an overhaul of the system and some movement toward a free postsecondary-education system. “If you look at most advanced economies, they tend to give free or cheap tuitions, and they often have quite generous grants,” she said, noting Ireland, France, and Scandinavia as places where tuition is free. Other countries, such as New Zealand, have done away with interest charges on student loans.

The only Conservative cabinet minister from Metro Vancouver, James Moore, was not available for comment by deadline. Burnaby-Douglas NDP MP Bill Siksay—whose riding includes Simon Fraser University—told the Straight in a phone interview that student-loan interest rates are a symptom of a bigger issue: student debt and overall government support of postsecondary education. Like Mitchell, he thinks it’s time to start thinking about eliminating tuition fees.

“We really need to get to the point of dealing with why we’ve decided it’s appropriate for people to run up huge debts to get their education so they can make their way in the world,” Siksay said.

However, Liberal MP Joyce Murray—whose riding includes UBC—argues that not all debt burdens are bad. “I think that it’s actually positive for students to have some part of investment in their education,” Murray told the Straight over the phone. “So, that being said, we need it to be a reasonable burden, not an unreasonable one at the end of the day.”

Duong said she understands Murray’s point—and sees her education as an investment—but contends that the student-loan system doesn’t make it easy for young people. “I have this huge financial burden that is preventing me from doing a lot of the things I want to do,” Duong said. “I think if I didn’t have this to worry about, I would have taken a job that I was 100-percent happy with or been able to travel. But instead, I have to worry about paying off this loan and the interest that keeps incurring on it.”

Comments

real life
Boo Hoo! I don't have a perfect job. I can't travel. Welcome to the real world, where the majority of people don't work at a job they're 100 % happy with and only get to travel if they manage to save enough money after paying all their bills. As for a qualifying for a mortgage. You've just graduated! What universe are you living in that you feel that a person just starting to work a full time job with the economy the way it is should be able to qualify for a mortgage. There are women/men who have been working for decades, that still can't afford to buy a house. Why should you be any different. My advice to you is, suck it up, work hard at the job you have, pay off your loan and if you're lucky, in a decade or so you might be able to afford to buy a starter house in the burbs.

ps. in case your wondering, I'm just your everyday working stiff, married with a child. My wife and I both work full time to pay the bills, we don't own a house but nevertheless find our life to be relatively pleasant.
 
YL
Good point about how the student loan system is behind the time, and too bureaucratic. System needs to be over hauled for sure. BUT the free education piece..woulnd't that be nice..but you can't have your cake and eat it too. You do realize that European countries with cheaper or 'free' post secondary education also tax their citizens much more than Canada right?! If we did that then she'll be complaining about how high taxes are inhibitating her from buying her first home.
 
Broke-n
I paid off my BC/Canada studen loan many years ago, now I'm paying off the interest. Though I did appreciate the money when I was in school I have to say I would have chosen a cheaper and wiser route knowing that I would be paying off this loan for 15+ years. The interest rates are steeper then most credit cards and take advantage of young students with very little knowledge of loans, including myself. I can't imagine the debt that students will be paying off in the future with the insane costs of education today.
 
Jen
Agreed - post-secondary education is unreachably expensive for too much of the population.

That said, nobody should be surprised by the rates and terms on any loan they sign up for, ever. That's just called being financially responsible.

I'd also like to see the interest rate on any other loan where you can defer the first payment for up to 10 years with no interest accrued (as long as you're in school); where your payments are fixed, no matter what the interest rate is if you opted for a floating rate; where you can call and defer payments and have the lender pay your interest for up to 6 months at a time; where you get to write off a portion of the interest paid on your taxes; and where you get access to tens of thousands of dollars, without actually having a guaranteed means of paying it off.

I regularly see lines of credit with floating rates of prime plus 2.5%, and fixed mortgages are over 8% above prime to sign on for 10 years, nevermind the 15 (or more) that student loans are amortized at.

Sounds like Ms. Duong needs to get her head screwed on straight, be thankful we have robust provincial/territorial and federal loans programs she could access for such reasonable rates while being such a high credit risk, and start putting in some overtime to pay them off quicker.

And for the record, I have student loans, and a mortgage. And I'm smart enough to know how fortunate I am to be in a position where I have either.
 
Former Student
Complaining that the interest rates are too high when you *voluntarily* locked in at 10% is rediculous. You would think people who are going to university would be smart enough to do math......

Why is it that people agree to interest rates when applying for loans / credit cards / etc, then whine that their bills are too high?
(by the way I have had high interest credit cards, and had student loans - my choices - so I had to pay them back. It took 7 years, but it is all over with now - no complaining)
 
Duane Storey
I just want to point out that there's pretty much zero risk for the lender. You're not allowed to declare bankruptcy on a student loan in Canada, which means eventually you'll have to pay it all back. That's in stark contrast to pretty much every other form of credit you can obtain.

Let's also be clear that the banks aren't doing anyone a favor -- the interest during the period when you're in school is covered by the government. It's just another form of subsidizing education. From the lender's perspective, they're making money 100% of the time. When you're done school, you can defer the first payment for up to 6 months, but the interest is accumulating during that period, and I got slapped with another $2,000 of interest during that period.

In terms of deferring payments on a loan, it's not as easy as you make it out to be. Normally you have to prove severe economic hardship to qualify. Banks will typically do the same thing on normal loans when possible, so this isn't a benefit that only applies to student loans.
 
rin
Is everyone forgetting that we're talking about 18 or 19 year old students who are aggressively recruited for these loans? These are very young and inexperienced people who've been lied to their whole lives that if they go to university a perfect job will be waiting for them on a silver platter at the end of it. It's also mostly people whose families can't afford to send them to school any other way, and are told that their way out of poverty is university. It's starting to smack of predatory mortgage lending in the US, lenders dangling a shiny future in front of people who don't know what they're getting themselves into and then getting all the benefits. How is this ethical? How is this good for society? Because that's what education is supposed to be, right? Right now it seems like it's only good for the banks and the bureaucrats who manage the system.
 
Mike Hansen
This is the only way they can learn to be 'good little workers', being burdened by debt.
 
Anon
Quit your complaining Jenn. Should have saved up in highschool and saved your money instead of partying it up. Welcome to real life. Grow up.
 
Disappointed
Shadi Elien, shame on you. Do you do a story about Ms. Duong because she's your friend that complains the most? There are people out there who are in way worst financial troubles than Ms Doung and for more noteworthy reasons. Was this actually a phone interview, or just a random chat while going out one night?
 
Former classmate
I went to highschool with Jenn. Man was she fake. Don't feel sorry for her at all.
 
Shadi Elien
I understand that there are many people out there who are dealing with financial problems, I am not quite sure who decides which person’s struggles are more noteworthy then another’s but clearly Disappointed feels like they are the authority on this. Just to be clear it was a phone interview and not just a random chat while we were out one night (although many great story ideas begin that way).

When it was time to do this interview I asked several people if they are dealing with student loan issues and would want to talk to me on the record about it. Jenn was willing to speak with me frankly about her personal experience with the system. I don’t think that personal attacks on her are just or fair—especially coming under the mask of a former classmate who still holds high school grudges 10 years later.
 
agreewithJenn
I agree with Jenn 100%. I came from a family with no money, and when I was a teen I thought I would have it made with a university degree, as if it were an absolute ticket to financial freedom, and I took loans. Yes, I've had some ok, jobs out of it, but so have my brothers who had no formal education at all, but work experience.

Jenn's right. You can erase the mistakes of your credit card debt, you can form a repayment plan and suck up the mistakes by cosumer proposals or bankruptsy at the worst. However student loans you can not. This absolutely means that your debt ratio may be affected because it's often a debt that's fairly high in interest and monthly payments. you can stretch out your terms but only to 15 years. That sounds ok, but if they monthly payments are large and with an interest rate of over 7% it will take years to attack the prinicipal. This is not to mention that that perhaps is just for an undergrad degree. We know that in today's market that is not enough, so we need to get extra education and upgrading. It makes life hard. Dont rag on Jenn for thinking a degree would bring her a better standard of life. I thought the same as well. That's what I've always wanted.

If students make a conscious choice to get a student loan and are responsible with it, then it can be helpful i believe. But there are those of us whose parents didn't know left from right, who didn't have any money and kids who wanted to do better for themselves. It takes years to realize sometimes the msitakes you've made. I dont see how this one shouldnt have some retribution, or ruin someone's hope of ever owning a home. Not to mention the marital or relational stresses it adds to a person's life, as who wants to marry someone with an unsolvable or large debt if the person is not working at a very lucrative job?
 
KEEPPAYING
I agree that student loan interest is high, I have to say a more reasonable prime + 1% would be a major improvement as opposed to the prime + 2.5% we currently have to pay. Myself I recently graduated Engineering with around $35 000 dollars in debt, all student loans. Finding a job was NOT easy, it was aggressive and took about 7 months, when I finally found work in my field for only $39 000/Year (Very low considering my investment, but hey this is the times!!) Its been almost two years and I have been able to Travel to Mexico Twice, Across Canada, Europe and California Twice, How'd I do it, Simple, its called pay agressivley on the loan, don't buy a car, or a condo, or a home and just get the loan over with. Its NOT an easy sacrafice, but!!! The light is there, I can safely say at this rate I will be debt free in two years, and still travelling. In fact I have learned how to even save in a substantial amount too. And yes incase you are wondering, I do make more then I originally started, however, its still nothing to write home about, especially for an engineer. New Grads, Honestly, Pay the loan off ASAP, interest is what kills you, 5 bucks extra a month on 30K will save you tons in the long run!! :) Its tough, I wish I had my education paid for by my parents, but hey, can't change it, so make it easier on yourself in the long run, I don't miss not owning a car over the last two yrs, though winters in Ontario are cold :p
 
big picture
-our system tell kids from the moment they can speak that they have to grow up and get a good education or end up a broke loser (not in those words obviously)
-then provide us with elaborate, overpriced, shallow, corproate dominated instutions (with an underlying goal of producing over-consuming, self-centred robot workers to fuel capitalism) as our only way to obtain this 'education' (a recognized one that has 'worth' at least).
-for us poor kids who can't afford to keep up with our friends at this point in life we would basically do anything to be able to attend university/college and not be left behind to be a 'factory worker'. it's useful to note at this point that most poor kids have no concept of 'saving' or 'budgets' since we spend our lives perpetually behind and struggling to hide that very fact, which usually makes a new pair of shoes more important to us than a visit to the dentist.
-so what do you think I am going to do when I find out I can get $10,000 to go to school with my friends and keep the party going, worry about the interest? how long it till take me to pay? who cares? Im going to be 'well-off' with my new education so of course I will be able to pay it off. Thats how's it's done right? You gotta pay to play as they say?
-of course as we all know that dream lasts about 10 minutes after the money is gone, and you've dropped out because you just can't 'baaaa!' like the other sheep.
-on top of this we have American shareholders lining there pockets with the profit from this elaborate scam on the young people of Canada (well, only the poor ones of course, conveneintly this is an issue that has no effect on the already well-to-do since they have rich parents to pay for their education, with money they probably made off 'good business' much like this)
-at this point if I had any use for 'credit' or a desire to own anything I can't pay for today, well they my life would basically be reduced to robotic, debt controlled existence, always struggling to pay the next bill, and the draining stress that comes with it, making me a perfect citizen in a capitalist system.
-so it seems even for us drop-outs the 'education system' has still managed to work its magic. now I'm just a lower-paid, harder-working robot.
-still wondering why the student loan system is so poorly managed? or why educations are so expensive in this country? or why its all about the 'piece of aper' and not how smart or creative you are?
-well thats because the whole damn education system isn't about education at all.
-thats why we bail out gluttonous car manufacturers then turn around and spend 23 million paying collections agencies to chase down and threaten our working class.
-wake up people.
-the whole idea of debt was invented to control the working class, and its working perfectly.
 
boo hoo!
Thats just reality darling, sorry to break it to you. Half of the population on earth survives off beans and rice, i say get over it.. one other thing, politcal science??? what was she thinking? nobody finds work with politcal science degree.
 
Undergraduate
I agree with the high interest rate, but come on... you just graduated and already plan for a vacation and getting your own place?
 
Anonymous
Hey, them's the breaks! At least you are able to borrow for your eudcation. In Third World countries (where I come from), either your parents are rich or you hit the road! Suck it up like the rest of us. To start with, you should have been working every summer and paying back a majority of the loan instead of letting it accumulate to that amount! I cut corners everywhere while a student and kept my loan low - no movies, few dates, no parties, and no luxuries. Don't need no fluff weighing me down! If my friend wanted to be entertained, I figured let someone else do it! Nowadays, every student believes in a God-given right to an iPod, Blackberry, iPhone, or what have you. I had my loan paid off within 6 months of graduation! I now own a string of properties. I have come a long way with my Warren Buffett-style belt-tightening!
 
overburdened with student loan debt
I completely know where she's coming from. It took me almost 2 years after graduating to find a job that was at all related to my university degrees. My parents have no resources, so I was on full student loans the whole time. Now I've been paying on the loans for almost 10 years and they're not even half way paid off.

Not sure where some of these people read that Jenn just graduated, the article says she locked in her interest rate 4 years ago, so obviously she's been out of school for at least four years. I don't think being in the workforce for 4 years is an unreasonable amount of time to think that a person should be able to afford to get a mortgage.
 
OL
2011 tax year has arrived. I paid off one of my 10+ year student loan last year and let me tell what a mistake that was. I tried to negotiate with the National Student Loan Center to pay off their loan. That was a no go. So I elected to pay off the loan issued with RBC under the Canada Student loan program in 1998. I paid it to a collection agency. I can't get a receipt of debt paid, I've spent 4 hours on the phone being transferred from RBC back to to the collection over 10 times. Nobody claims responsibility for the account no matter how much verification. They can't even verify if any interest was paid to get the interest paid tax form. They don't even understand that the student loan system was different than now, ie. national student loans vs rbc distributed. Now that I paid off rbc, national student loans doesn't recognize it and has taken all of my GST and another $2500 in taxes. At the end of the day, I live below, below poverty, trying to go to school under yet another program (non uni) in order to get a job to get the gov't off my ***. Seriously, it costs the government over $70, 000 a year to house prisoners and I ended up with 1/10 of that income after paying my student loans. Excuse me, Mr. Working Stiff, but at the end of the day, $40, 000 towards a mortgage is a hell of alot more than $40,000 for a piece of paper that you can do little more with than wipe your nose.
 
James Van Deventer
Though this was posted two years ago I just want to make a comment to a lot of the comments.

I think it's extremely ignorant for a lot of you to say things like "suck it up", "boo hoo" or "you should have saved up more in high school".

I'm in my thirties, trying out my second career path and am $60 000 in debt with student loans. Canada has the highest interest rate in pretty much all the world. If I pay my minimum payments over the next 5 years, I will have to pay approximately $12 000 in interest (that's if I pay it off in 5 years).

So all of you who are acting all high and mighty should give it a rest.
 
 
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