Vanessa Knight: TransLink's lack of late-night downtown service makes zero sense
November 5, 2009
By Vanessa Knight with Ashley Fehr
It’s the first time the clock hits 1:16 a.m. on November 1, and crowds of people are stumbling around downtown after leaving the clubs for destinations across Metro Vancouver. Two TransLink security guards stand outside Waterfront Station and tell the partiers that they’ve missed the last train. Drunk and footsore, Duffman, Medusa, and I scramble to figure out how to get home to Surrey.
Some might ask why we didn’t do the responsible thing and find out ahead of time when the SkyTrain would be running until, or point out that had there not been a time change we still would have missed the train. But then they should probably say that to the other 200 people who were teetering down the sidewalk on Water Street dressed as vampires, zombies, and slutty versions of everything. The fact of the matter is, of every day in 2009, Halloween night plus daylight saving time was probably the best reason TransLink could have found to keep the SkyTrain open another hour.
See also
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Nimmi Takkar: TransLink must stop U-Pass discrimination
Halloween is the night when all of the people 19 to however-old-that-person-in-the-panda-suit-was get to head out to a public place and really display their creativity, sense of humour, or just mighty fantastic cleavage. And the best way to put your best assets on display? Go out and party! Non-government sanctioned holidays are all about getting your drink on, and the best known place for that (with a few exceptions) is always in downtown Vancouver. Don’t like the club? Head next door! Every party animal is partying it up on Halloween, and at about 1 a.m. in the morning, the majority of them try to catch the last ride home.
Now, I am not a business guru, but something tells me that crowds of the inebriated heading out of downtown tend to need some form of transportation other than their shambling boots and six-inch stilettos. It could be the pack of followers we accumulated heading to Pender and Carrall (mistaking it for the nearest N19 stop) that led me to this conclusion, or, at the second 1:30 a.m. that morning, it could have been the four buses that passed by us completely full. Of course, who could have predicted that a holiday landing on a Saturday would result in large amounts of transportation-less ghouls?
At this point, my posse and I had almost completely sobered up. Duffman (a fourth-year business student at Kwantlen Polytechnic University) was ranting to any fiend or fairy that would listen about how TransLink is driving themselves into the ground with stunts like this, and Medusa was miserably huddled under an outfit not really made to cover anything up. We headed to McDonald’s, where on any given weekend night there is a steady line to the door until at least 4 a.m. You see, McDonald’s happily profits off of the drunken people stuck downtown that TransLink seems to think are insignificant.
Unfortunately, TransLink’s lack of response to the community’s late-night transit needs is not limited to Halloween. Every Friday and Saturday night, hundreds of people are trapped downtown. Either the TransLink board of directors is remarkably unaware of these events or they are grossly incompetent and do not see the opportunity that the assistant manager at McDonald’s sees.
Exiting the profitable McDonald’s, we were fortunate to catch bus No. 10, which could hardly contain another body. It should be mentioned that this was the second-last scheduled bus of the night.
It is, of course, useful to know that TransLink has recognized the need for late-night transit service during the 2010 Olympics. It is obvious that TransLink is more responsive to Vanoc than it is to the region’s own citizens.
Now, I’m not saying that TransLink is at fault for the fact that I got home at 4 a.m. (after the time change, making it feel like 5 a.m.)—only that they screwed themselves out of my bleary eyed $2.50 and the change of all my fellow party-goers. In the eternal words of an actor portraying Duffman, “If there was somebody who was supposed to see this coming and didn’t, they should be fired!”
Vanessa Knight is the director of events and student life for the Kwantlen Student Association.
Ashley Fehr is the chair and director of academic affairs for the student association.
Comments
Is that what you call responsible and are empty diesel buses cutting down on GHG emissions? We already have the ridiculous N17 for drunk and stoned uni students because the COV councillors can't say no to special interest-whining groups wanting transit to UBC until 3:30 AM. Screw you and find a boyfriend to drive you around town.
I also think that it is unfair to use TransLink's response to the Olympics in comparison to this instance as a representation of its relationship with the public. It isn't as if TransLink hasn't made any accomodating changes to the system, and besides that, I don't think that there is a great argument maintaining that the Olympics isn't important enough to warrant a change in transit operation.
In short, I agree with you. Hopefully, transit will make appropriate adjustments for the future, and you will plan your adventures a little better (and your friend will consider being a little more prepared for a less than sunny 1AM exit).
The U-Bahn and S-Bahn (subway & above ground transit), M-Trams and buses run 24 hours from Thursday-Monday morning (after midnight transit runs every half hour) . You actually never need to drive or get a taxi (which are everywhere) when you stumble out of a club at 5 a.m. or 9 a.m. ;)
It depresses me to no end knowing & experiencing a thoughtful city (Berlin) that wants people to drink, party and not drive home while the green-politically correct city (Vancouver) could not care less if people get killed because of intoxicated drivers on the road. If there was a proper mass transit system the people from the burbs would not have to drive.
-SV
BTW-A taxi trip to the burbs can run from $75.00-$120.00
All subways need maintenance and automatic (driverless) metros, like SkyTrain must shut down for at least 5 hours for mandatory maintenance.
Now if ridership on a transit route demands, then one may want to run an all night service and some cities with LRT do because it is a simple system. Very few cities offer 24 hour transit service except for major conurbations like Paris or Berlin.
TransLink doesn't operate late night service, except for a few routes, because the demand isn't there to support it.
and to the one who said "Screw you and find a boyfriend to drive you around town." Damn are you stupid or something? What if she wants a girlfriend to drive her, or wait, maybe she falls for people and doesn't just go for somebody who has a car like a materialistic tool like you....
seth
If you haven’t heard, transit at 3 am is a good way to get assaulted by the creeps preying on unsuspecting young naí¯ve female students who think that nothing is going to happen to them on “safe transit”. What about on the walk from the bus stop or SkyTrain station to home, are you going to be safe at any time in this city with all the creeps hanging out around transit? Most responsible cities understand the pitfalls of transit and don’t offer it after 11 pm to cut down on crime. You have much to learn grasshopper!
Maybe...just maybe...it's your responsibility. (and you're the friggin future?)
Geez...
SerialVixen - Not having 24 hour transit service does not entail that drunk people drive. I'm also not sure that you want to directly encourage people to drink all night. A taxi trip may cost you, but there are also Night buses that run until about 3 AM. There isn't a need to take a taxi ride all the way home from downtown Vancouver. Also, I'm not sure if you know this, but you never have to drive or get a taxi when you stumble out of a club at 5 a.m. or 9 a.m. in Vancouver, either (as it's regular service hours, and coverage is quite decent for most people).
rocket science - It's hard to get buses to run to everyone's house. At some point, efficiency has to be taken into account. A lot of people aren't prepared to deal with the logistic/financial consequences of that. But here's hoping.
"Do what other cities do..." - I suppose you could call that a taxi service.
seth - That might be feasible, but I think that frequent service during those times is actually pretty important to a lot of people. Also, here might be a good place for me to comment that I suppose TransLink is inevitably _somewhat_ responsible for drunk drivers, but there really has to be line drawn somewhere. Wanting to avoid taking a cab is really no good reason to risk your life as well as the lives of others; individuals have to take responsibilities for their own actions.
WTF - Good point on the crime... that's part of the reason why people anticipate Richmond to share part of the negative reputation that Surrey has had. However, I think that those who wish to take the risk of transiting at night ought to be able to do so. There almost seems to be just as much risk transiting during the day, what with stabbings and shootings happening in the middle of rush hour these days.
partytimes247 - I'm not sure if I parsed that all correctly... I don't even know what to say to you. I guess I'm pretty tame... I don't need to get shitfaced at 4am in order to have fun.
VLNTi2R - Do you actually know of people who tell people to take a taxi home for $100 and then cry about the price of fueling their car? I'm curious. I do support better accessibility, and I am also very conscious about the price people would have to pay for it. I think, though, that's a problem that is often more to do with the decisions of TransLink as a business than simply more hours means more dollars.
I initially commented on the article itself, not intending to turn it into a criticism of TransLink. TransLink needs feedback, and again, no one will argue that transit is perfect in this area. The problem that came up with this article, this one instance, is not that there aren't enough buses running late at night; it is that TransLink was ill-prepared for Halloween. On a regular night, I don't usually see four buses full of people going by (although I admit I'm not out that late very frequently). Vanessa's night was unfortunate, but as I said before, I don't think it is very fair to extrapolate from Halloween night alone.
When I graduate, I'll get a deadbeat government job or maybe work for TransLink and continue being a drain on the economy by taking transit so that all those people who did study calculus can support me when I move to Coquitlam and complain about not having transit out there.
Vancouver is such a sad little city with its two-carriage Mickey Mouse trains and awkward, outdated buses. And some people are deluded enough to actually believe this two bit burg is a "world class" city. Yawn.
Years ago in Kingston, a city with the same geographical area as Vancouver, cabs cost double bus fare and acted like buses. Sometimes you'd have 3 other people in the cab. The cabbies loved it. A Surrey cab company that picked up passengers in a van and dropped them off like a bus service for a very reasonable fare was shut down by Surrey real quick - for lack of campaign donations. A criminal record check and regular mechanicals don't cost $500K per cab, the quality excuse is simple BS
In Bellingham, if you want to get into the taxi business the biggest hurdle is 5G's in insurance, mech certificate and special drivers licence. Basically anybody can do it for less than $10K invested - no trouble finding cabs.
How is it that after these taxi licenses are issued for a hundred bucks or so, they are instantly worth half a million dollars. Why can't I have one. Why not an auction. Why can't Joe Six Pack after a taxi drivers course win one of the licenses. In Vancouver /lower mainland where one can never find a cab, only after great public protest and the permission of the 4 or 5 cab companies do councils issue licenses and only to the big cab companies.
Given there is no tracking of municipal campaign donations in between elections, isn't this cronyism an obvious source of corruption and a major inconvenience to citizens. The licenses are simply shuffled over to politician's favorites in exchange for large campaign donations.
Canada is supposed to be a nation of laws yet we tolerate corrupt municipal politicians like we were a third world city.
seth
One more thing, who said anything about reducing your freedom to travel at night? Do as you please but don't whine for 24 hour transit and intrude on the privacy of others who don't want to listen to crappy diesel buses at 3 am.
If you think that you can fight off a 6'3" 300 lb violent offender, go for it and take your chances in your high heels from the transit stop or SkyTrain station to your home at 3 am. Hire a lawyer and sue TransLink after the assault if you are still around because the go with flow couldn’t give a crap losers at TransLink are negligent offering night transit at 3 am in my mind.
Also, while I can understand the concern about politics and whatnot here, I believe your closing statement is severely out of line. What you are saying about those cities you designate as "third world" is distasteful. I also think that you will find other "nation[s] of laws" to contain corruption of some level, if you were to search for it (in some places, your effort needn't be quite so great). That isn't to say that we ought not to strive to eradicate it, but I don't know if you think that it is some easy feat, to become that idealized nation.
And for those saying get a cab - a cab from downtown to Surrey would run you $40 - $80 depending on the route the cabbie takes. I've done it a few times to know. Much cheaper to take Skytrain to Surrey Central, then get a cab in Surrey Central to your home.
If it was just out of downtown to the suburbs, then maintenance work can be done on the north bound tracks. Or, they could do what they do on weekends > alternate the trains along the track. There have been hundreds of times I've ridden the trains to have them leave one station, switch over to the other lane, and travel along it until it reached another station. So there are options to dealing with this problem to have transit be more accessible later at night.
And for those who raise security questions - they have transit police, security cameras and local police, later at night, could always patrol the stops when people are expected after the closures. And if cabs are waiting in the suburbs then that too is a deterrent. You can't stop everything though. But options can be found to solve this... it shouldn't be an issue.
One more thing, who said anything about reducing your freedom to travel at night? Do as you please but don't whine for 24 hour transit and intrude on the privacy of others who don't want to listen to crappy diesel buses at 3 am.
If you think that you can fight off a 6'3" 300 lb violent offender, go for it and take your chances in your high heels from the transit stop or SkyTrain station to your home at 3 am. Hire a lawyer and sue TransLink after the assault if you are still around because the go with flow couldn’t give a crap losers at TransLink are negligent offering night transit at 3 am in my mind.
and have hyper tension because the bus service is unbearable
i used to have to take it to work every single day. its archaic at best . wheres all the bloody money from the gas tax and property tax going . plus fairs . the service should be vastly improved
When I said "transiting" earlier, I did mean public transiting. Buses still run at 3am now. Do you think we should remove them? Do you think we should remove buses running before ten o' clock at night to accommodate those people who need to sleep eight hours before their shift at six in the morning? If you are woken up by a bus going by once an hour during the middle of the night, I am truly sorry. But I think the majority of people can get by without their sleep disturbed by a bus. If you live on a major road, you probably have much worse noise than that bus to deal with. I don't think anyone would purposely plan a bus route that travels around someone's cul de sac just for kicks.
If you think you can fight off a 6'3" 300 lb violent offender, go for it and take your chances in your high heels from your home to the bus stop at any time of day. I might take you up on your proposal, if I had heels. Wouldn't dare blame it on TransLink, though. If you have stilettos, you probably have a better chance than someone wearing sneakers, anyway... But that's beside the point, I gather. If I was going home alone, in darkness, with nothing with me, then got assaulted, that would be (partially) my fault. I speak similarly to this instance (Vanessa's), I believe, as the person in trouble is not properly prepared for the night. But it should be my call. Vanessa could have planned the night better; it could have gone in any other direction that night. I could decide to announce to the world at 3am that I'm open to being confronted. I'm not asking for the right to scream fire in a theatre. I'm saying that it should be reasonably possible for me to take a bus if I want, if TransLink accepts the responsibility of providing the public with an adequate public transportation system.
Well maybe it will depress you a little less when you realize that Berlin's population base is more than 5 times the size of Vancouver, and that Translink, remarkably efficient as it is, is still over a billion dollars in debt, so it has little choice but to operate the system according to usage patterns. But don't romanticize Berlin's system too much, as they're currently in the process of reducing the service, system-wide.
And your absurd argument that drivers must drive drunk because of lack of public transit options is a rather silly bait-comment and an obvious false dichotomy. Have you really lived your entire life and never encountered the concept of the designated driver? Taxis? Simply not drinking to the point of intoxication?
-Jennifer
The screaming, rumbling whining and hissing diesel buses are the wrong specification for use at any time in Vancouver because the grossly incompetent losers at TransLink bought the cheapest buses out there. Now, when people complain, the losers hide under their desks. Moreover, since the 99 B-Line operates on a trolley bus route, a lot of very incompetent and stupid people at the COV and TransLink can take credit for the mess.
TransLink is broke and the last thing that we need are any more empty diesel buses on the road to pander to students who aren’t resourceful enough to get around by any other way. If anything, on many routes, shutting down transit after 7 pm as in some parts of Australia would be ideal! Hope you graduate and manage to buy an electric car to get off transit before you turn 30.
What about people on bus routes? Isn't it selfish to make their life hell for you to have the luxury of 24 hour subsidized transit?
WTF - I sympathize with the noise levels. I do think that it is simply part of the consideration and tolerance involved in living in the city, though. If it were possible now, I do wish that the buses would be silent. Not many people benefit from them being particularly noisy.
With regard to your other point, I think it is quite resourceful of students to be taking public transit as opposed to driving around. There are many, many people who attend school in the area, and that number of cars on the road would be such a severe blow to the environment. Granted, it is possible for a number of them to arrive at school via walking or cycling, but that number is relatively small and doing so is time-consuming, and dangerous at night. Students would have a difficult time attending classes in the evening, or simply being able to take advantage of the resources offered to them on campus. Again, as I've said before, I am presupposing that TransLink ought to provide the public with reasonable access to public transit as needed. If you disagree with this presupposition, as you seem to do, then I guess you just don't support the same idea of this service, and such a difference is too fundamental for us to come to an agreement, I think. Yes, it is still the student's choice if he or she wishes to enroll in a class at that time or to go out, but here lies the question of whether or not they should have to forego this because of transit, or if transit should support them.
If not public transit, should people drive? Would you "force" people to try to purchase, instead of a $xx transit pass, a car? It would be brilliant if I could manage to buy an electric car. It just doesn't seem very feasible at the moment. As for shutting down transit after 7PM, if people were segregated into areas that were either active or inactive, perhaps it would work. However, people seem to lead too diverse lives for this to be effective. Too many people rely on public transit after dinnertime. Ah, there's a good idea for zone restructuring! Everyone who has no life after seven o' clock, or who has the luxury of not bothering anyone with need of transit service, can simply be designated as zone x, and there will no service to that area after hours.
My final note to you is of thanks for the discussion, and objection to your assumptions you appear to have about me. At best, I suppose I can hope for crappy diesel buses to quickly become a thing of the past, in favour of something a little more pleasing for you.
Discrimination by TransLink is unacceptable whether it is against people on bus routes, students who don't go to UBC or merchants who are in the way and are trampled by TransLink in the rush to extend rapid transit to Richmond for the Olympics.
If you agree that discrimination by TransLink is unacceptable, I’ll concede that some night time transit may be worthwhile provided that limits are imposed to keep transit noise and pollution levels reasonable.
Take a look at the TransLink 2008 Annual Report on page 2, that $262 million in “fuel tax” revenue is from drivers paying taxes directly to transit without any deductions on their tax forms for not using transit, my deluded friend:
www.translink.ca/.../2008%20TransLink%20Annual%20Report.ashx
Berlin's population base is not 5 times the size of Vancouver. It's metro pop is about 5 million (Vancouver's is 2 million).
And they are not reducing service system wide in Berlin. There is a problem with the S-Bahn breaking system and S-bahn service is temporarily being reduced, while bus, tram, subway and commuter rail service is being increased to make up for the reduction in S-Bahn service.
"Your arguments are irrelevant and stupid."
sure doesn't say much about your debating (or social) skills.
G'day
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As previously stated, roads hospitals, sewers and water are paid by taxpayers above the poverty line for society, including you. Give your head a fk’n shake.
Sun November 15, 2009 4:02 PM
VANCOUVER - A man was robbed of his wallet and slashed in the neck Saturday night on West Fourth Avenue near MacDonald Street.
The man, 36, is recovering from non-life-threatening injuries, Vancouver Police Const. Jana McGuinness said in a press release.
The man called 911 himself and was helped by several people who discovered him lying bleeding at a bus stop, McGuinness said.
November 21, 2009 1:02 PM
A 15 year-old girl was sexually assaulted near the Port Coquitlam bus loop at about 1 a.m. Saturday morning, according to RCMP.
The young girl was walking from the bus loop on Kingsway Avenue between Tyner Street and Kelly Avenue when she was approached by a male who pushed her into the bushes and assaulted her, RCMP spokesman Sgt. Peter Theissen said in a statement.