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Richmond city councillor Harold Steves says that building the South Fraser Perimeter Road will destroy agricultural areas that could feed local residents.

Harold Steves decries potential loss of farmland with South Fraser Perimeter Road project

Veteran Richmond city councillor and long-time farmer Harold Steves believes the B.C. Liberal government’s proposed South Fraser Perimeter Road is a “crime against humanity”.

Steves, a former Richmond MLA and cofounder of the Agricultural Land Reserve, was addressing a January 16 town hall meeting organized by the South Fraser Action Network, an umbrella group incorporating opponents of both the road and the Gateway Program, of which the road is a part.


Richmond city councillor and farmer Harold Steves tells the crowd at a January 16 townhall meeting in Delta that the South Fraser Perimeter Road is a "crime against humanity" because it paves over land that could be providing food for British Columbians.

“The fact that we are building this road, the fact that we are destroying this land—destroying our ability to feed ourselves—is a crime against humanity as great as any of the other ones that we have witnessed in the previous 100 years or so,” Steves told the crowd of about a hundred. “By not coming to grips with climate change, by not coming to grips with the loss of our farmlands and the loss of habitat, our politicians today are every bit as guilty as every one of the despots that has gone before.”

B.C. transportation minister Shirley Bond refused an interview with the Georgia Straight.

The South Fraser Perimeter Road is a planned 40-kilometre transportation route that would run along the south side of the Fraser River from Highway 1, then around Port Kells in Surrey to Deltaport Way in South Delta. The provincial government claims it will reduce truck traffic and increase the movement of goods and services throughout the region.

Steves said peak oil means global oil production will soon go into decline—some analysts claim this has already happened—because the resource is finite. He told the Straight that the Vancouver Port Authority told Country Life in B.C. newspaper that it needs 1,070 hectares for its expansion. Add that to the 100 hectares for the highway and that’s almost 1,200 hectares of land that could be used to provide food for British Columbians, Steves said.

“The onus is on us to preserve as much of the land as we can and to provide as much of our food production at home so we are not…[buying] food from other countries where that food is needed by other peoples,” he said.

Stephen Rees, who ran as the provincial Green candidate in Richmond East in 2008, told the crowd that so far sand has been used to stabilize the marshland on which much of the proposed route sits. Construction has not started yet, Rees noted.

Rees said civil disobedience might work to stop the road if it mirrors the huge outcry that led to the shelving of the proposed private-power projects on the Upper Pitt River.

“If they can do it, we can do it, and they [Gateway] must be stopped,” Rees said to huge applause.

An oft-repeated refrain during the meeting was “It’s not a done deal.” This was in reference to comments made by former B.C. transportation minister Kevin Falcon that Gateway was a “done deal”.


Independent Delta South MLA and former Delta councillor Vicki Huntington talks to the Straight about her opposition to the South Fraser Perimeter Road. Huntington, daughter of late Progressive Conservative MP Ron Huntington, said the road is nothing more than a "behind-the-scenes effort to develop land".

Speaking to the Straight outside the meeting, independent Delta South MLA Vicki Huntington said the road “is a project that can still be stopped”.

“The road doesn’t have the necessity for moving goods that [Greater Vancouver] Gateway Council has pretended that it has, and I tend to agree with those people who think that the primary reason for the road is a behind-the-scenes effort to develop land,” she said. “They can do so with massive profits, because what they are doing is buying relatively inexpensive farmland and industrializing it—flipping it—at enormous profit.”

Responding to Steves’s “crime against humanity” claim, Huntington said, “We might look back in history and say that it is, or it was, if it’s allowed to be completed.…We haven’t learned a thing. We haven’t tried to do anything differently with less impact. We’re doing it the easiest way, the cheapest way—the most profitable way to very few people.”

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Shepsil
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This YouTube video ties in nicely with the Gateway Projects and the current thinking on 'business & climate change'.

For those of you who don't know Jeff Rubin, the former chief economist of CIBC has been at the cutting edge of peak oil theory/evidence for at least 6 years. In this speech, he talks about why transportation projects like our Gateway and the SFPR are all doomed to be out of date before they are built. That transportation costs, because of their integral oil dependence, are going to change our economies back to local ones where the more locally reliant businesses are the ones that have a chance of surviving.


 
Feeding mouths?
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Don't you think 10 km^2 of new port space will come in handy when the US dollar collapses, and we need increased trade with China to keep everyone employed?

Peak oil doesn't mean we will move around less, it means new fuels will replace oil as they become economically viable.

Farming in our backyards isn't what keeps up what most people would consider a 'Canadian' standard of living. We're a first-world country, rich in resources, and we need roads to get stuff from A to B to Asia. The increase in productivity from new port facilities will probably be three orders of magnitude higher than the loss of 1000 hectares of farmland (a whopping 0.02% of our 47 000 km^2 ALR).

Maybe you'd rather that we just cut ourselves off from the world, and instead of trading and being productive, we can all sit around in a field of organic hemp and knit each other macrame ponchos...
 
Eric Doherty
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'Feeding' - peak oil does mean we will move stuff around less, because it will make it much more expensive to do so. Expensive, compact goods will still move large distances but more manufacturing will be done close to home. And we will consume much less disposable crap.

There is a huge excess of port capacity in BC right now. We have modern port facilities sitting almost idle, such as in Prince Rupert and Surrey Fraser Docks. It would be very stupid to build more now. And roads are not an efficient way to move containers of goods - that is what short sea shipping and electric railways do best.

And yes we can stop the South Fraser Freeway - see
http://www.livableregion.ca/blog/blogs/index.php/2010/01/17/south_fraser...
 
Shepsil
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@Feeding mouths - The concept one must understand about oil is that it was cheap, which also meant convenient. As the above YouTube explained, it is the one fuel that is used for all types of transportation and there is no cheaper or as cheap as fuel available. Which simply put, means we can no longer be shipping goods from China or New Zealand without paying the higher prices for the fuel, oil, it costs us. The cheapest goods are again going to be those we grow and manufacture close to home.

For the full explanation, watch the above YouTube.
 
Evil Eye
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Feeding mouths - here is the scoop, all American West Coast container ports have vastly expanded; in LA, the empty space is used to store unsold cars. All container traffic crossing the Pacific has diminished. There is a vast surplus of container capacity on the West coast.

By 2014, just in time for the Gateway project to be open, the Panama Canal will have completed its widening program, to allow 'super' container ships.

The railway grades out of Vancouver increase shipping costs.

With global warming it will be cheaper to ship Chinese containers North, through Russia and ship them to Churchill Manitoba.

In short, all the money being spent on Gateway and Port expansion will be for naught and the taxpayer will be left with big bills to pay for redundant highways and empty berths.

Oh by the way, if the US dollar collapses, so does the Canadian dollar.

In 20 years time people will scorn our so so short sighted politicians.
 
cooley
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I'm glad they build while ff are cheap, at least it is built and will last 20 + years, the old road was worn-out. At least when we take our horse-wagon to the beach, we can go smoothly in the winter of 2030.
 
Feeding mouths
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I think this guy grossly underestimates the move to alternative fuels and energy sources. Road vehicles are the FIRST place that new fuels will take over. The auto companies already have motor technology that can run on bio-fuels, hydrogen, and electricity. The only reason you don't see them on the road is because the companies know they won't sell, the fuel prices aren't competitive, and production volumes need to be large to make the vehicles cheap. If prices go up and stay up, the equation changes and they will roll out the new vehicles. North America certainly can't rebuild its cities overnight and no amount of enthusiasm for sustainable living can replace our millions of hectares of sprawling suburbs.

His point about not having 15 years to develop new technology is a bit moot, because it would probably take longer to build up factories for, and to train and employ people for them, all the products that we get from Asia right now. Has everyone completely forgotten that in the boom times before the recession hit we were already facing a labour shortage??

 
Sylvia Bishop
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Food security, food sustainability and the protection of farmland is the most important we face today. 52% of our food is imported from countries with dubious pesticide and herbicide controls. We put ourselves at the mercy of the import market. I do not suggest we can produce 100% of our food supply, but we can certainly produce more so long as we have farmland to do so.

Burns Bog, the "lungs of the lower mainland" will be ruined with the building of the SFPR. Another ecological disaster.

Maybe protecting the environment is too big a concept for some. But breathing clean air, drinking pure water and eating safe food is something we can all wrap our heads, hearts and lungs around.
 
RodSmelser
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“The fact that we are building this road, the fact that we are destroying this land—destroying our ability to feed ourselves—is a crime against humanity as great as any of the other ones that we have witnessed in the previous 100 years or so,”
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I realize Harold is an old trooper as a political speaker, not averse to a bit of hyperbole at times, but when I look at this quotation I have to wonder what the context is. If the context is understood to be purely provincial, that's one thing. If the context is understood to be the entire globe, that is world history during the 20th Century, well, ... where does that lead us? Is this still an acceptable rhetorical device?


Rod Smelser
 
glen p robbins
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Mr. Steves is my idea of a Green Conservative--he fits the bill and certainly has the credentials
 
pwood
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the thing that we seem to be having trouble with is that the babyboom, that once in a history event is over. It powered us and our thinking out of the 50's to now and our huge and growing surplus of infrastructure. Time to down size, and rewards to the mainstream party that gets it right.
 
miguel
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The demand for water in California has nearly dried up some rivers, and climate change will continue that trend. We get a lot of fresh produce from there, but we may have to barter our fresh water for a bite to eat if we can't grow our own.
Miguel
 
katharina heitzmann
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to rod smelser.

i'm sure anyone reading any of your comments would realize that you are a well-educated man. however being well educated does not imply that a person has any good common sense or that a person can communicate effectively with the public in a manner that the majority of people will understand.

our population in b.c., canada, and around the world keeps increasing, which means we need more farmland to feed people, yet in b.c. we are paving over our farmland. many people are realizing that we do not need all the cheap junk being imported from china, most of which ends up in our landfills, and are downsizing. if a human beings life in canada is in danger we do everything possible to save that life, yet every year thousands of people in canada are killed or seriously injured by automobiles. still we continue to build more freeways, which means more vehicles, which means more unneccesary deaths. how can we as a civilized country pretend this is normal. this is insanity.

in b.c., the #1 reason for children visiting emergency rooms in hospitals is due to asthma attacks caused by pollution from automobiles.

millions of dollars are being spent each year to find a cure for cancer. how about preventing cancer and saving lives by taking more pollution causing vehicles off the road and instead improving b.c.'s much needed transit system which in turn will require fewer freeways.

fewer highways= fewer polluting vehicles= fewer loss of life due to automobile accidents=fewer health problems such as asthma and cancer= less destruction of our farmland and wildlife.

if i can help you understand any part of that equation, please let me know.

stopping gateways sfpr and nfpr will save many lives and will help to keep b.c. beautiful and green and healthy.


 
RodSmelser
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Katharina Heintzmann

fewer highways= fewer polluting vehicles= fewer loss of life due to automobile accidents=fewer health problems such as asthma and cancer= less destruction of our farmland and wildlife.
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The demand for automobiles is a function of incomes and the prices of cars, fuel and other car operating costs, not a function of the number of lane kilometres of highways. Fewer highways, in the presence of a growing population with rising incomes and dispersed, freely chosen work and residence locations, will mean more congestion and delay and more pollution.

As I pointed out in other threads on similar subjects, Anthony Downs of the Brookings Inst, the author of Stuck in Traffic, told the Metro Vancouver area planners when he visited here in 2007 that their goal of avoiding any and all increases in road capacity over the next two or three decades was not realistic. The planners didn't listen, because Downs advice was contrary to received doctrine.

European cities, as you well know, have both extensive rail based transit systems AND extensive freeway and trunk road systems. China is building the largest freeway system in the world.

I agree that the SFPR as presently designed and situated is a mistake because it consumes too much farmland and impinges on Burns Bog. The same cannot be said of NFPR or PMH1, which are sensible and necessary projects in my opinion. The notion that there is already enough capacity at Port Mann for any reasonable purpose is easily seen to be a case of Vancouver insularity when you compare us to Toronto. The average daily volumes at Port Mann are about 130,000 cars a day compared to nearly half a million on parts of Hwy401 across the north of Toronto.


Rod Smelser
 
katharina heitzmann
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to rod smelser:

you are agreeing that the sfpr is a mistake. progress is being made.
nfpr is also a mistake. the pollution caused by the nfpr running closely beside several elementary school is sure to cause increased health problems for our children.

most countries in europe cherish their rivers and make the surroundings beautlful. nfpr will follow the river and make the surroundings, polluted, ugly and noisy. no more beautiful trees and wildlife will disappear. do you know that we have several beautiful beaches here in north surrey, which will be more difficult to access with nfpr seperating residents and the fraser.

i would like to ask you a question, if we had more affordable transportation and fewer vehicles on the road,in your opinion, would there be fewer traffic accidents causing death or serious injury.

i am not suggesting that those individuals who wish and can afford to drive stop doing so, but many of us, especially children and seniors, would like the option of safe affordable transportation. much needed public transportation could very easily downsize the 2 or more cars per family to 1 car per family.. parents might feel more comfortable sending their children to school by means of safe public transportation. that would certainly free up some of their time and the need for the 2nd car, which in turn would create less traffic on our roads.

i am not very familiar with the transportation methods in europe and china, although i believe countries in europe travel by rail a lot.

i do know that the sfpr and nfpr will do more harm than good.
 
Highway Booster
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It's obvious that the post ratings have been hi-jacked by the left leaning hordes! Aside from that though - I'm a little concerned that Harold Steves would interlope into another community to impress his doctrine on those that he believes are worthy of salvation! You've been on Richmond City council since 1968 Harold...what the hell have you done in your own community to stop the pillaging of farmland in the name of progress and development!? Forty plus years ago Richmond was a farming Mecca - now it become an overcrowded sprawling urban jungle - ALL ON YOUR WATCH HAROLD!!! Please go back through the tunnel and take care of your own problem before you foist you moral judgement on us!
 
farmsnotfreeways
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steves is not 'interloping' - he is filling a leadership void left by the local delta council who have stopped fighting gateway. he was there to share his insight on the panel and speak out on request of the community and event organizers.

if it weren't for the likes of him and his efforts over the years, there would be no ALR, and probably hardly a scrap of farmland left in the lower mainland let alone richmond.
 
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