Gay couple clashes with Christian bed and breakfast owners over right to stay
Does freedom of religion trump the right not to be discriminated against due to sexual orientation?
This question is at the core of a complaint before the B.C. Human Rights Tribunal. It involves a Christian couple, two gay lovers, and the use of a home-based bed-and-breakfast.
In a March 3, 2010, written decision that paves the way for a hearing by denying an application for dismissal, tribunal member Murray Geiger-Adams recounted the background of the dispute based on the submissions made by the parties.
Shaun Eadie and Brian Thomas wanted to book the Swan Room of the Riverbend Bed and Breakfast. The B & B is at the home of Les and Susan Molnar in Grand Forks, a community in the southern Interior. The Molnars are Protestants and evangelical Christians.
On June 18, 2009, Eadie reserved the room through a telephone conversation with Susan Molnar. A few minutes later, Les Molnar called Eadie and asked whether or not he and Thomas were a couple.
In their complaint, Eadie and Thomas stated that after hearing Eadie confirm that they were together, Les told him: “Then this is not going to work out.” Les claimed that he said: “I’m sorry, I don’t think it’s going to work out.”
“Wow,” Eadie responded and hung up. No further discussions followed. Eadie and Thomas subsequently filed their complaint.
Les doesn’t deny that he rejected the reservation because to “allow a gay couple to share a bed in my Christian home would violate my Christian beliefs and cause me and my wife great distress”.
The Molnars asserted that “our private dwelling house should have a modified standard” under the B.C. Human Rights Code “because of our religious (moral) beliefs”.
For their part, Eadie and Thomas claimed that they belong to a group protected under the code and that their sexual orientation was directly linked to the denial of their reservation at the Molnars’ B & B.
However, the Molnars believe that their actions are protected under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, which guarantees the freedoms of religion and association.
Geiger-Adams wrote that he understood the Molnars’ contention that they were “responding in good faith to their perception of what would make all their guests and themselves comfortable”, and that they didn’t intend ill will.
But he noted that “it is not a respondent’s intention, but the effect of their conduct on a complainant, which is relevant in considering whether discrimination has occurred.”
The Molnars wanted the tribunal to dismiss the complaint without a hearing. However, Geiger-Adams dismissed their application.
Citing a couple of past cases involving the conflict between religious beliefs and protection from discrimination, Geiger-Adams wrote that “balancing competing rights is a legally and factually complicated exercise, for which the Tribunal requires detailed evidence.”
One of these cases was decided by a tribunal panel in a decision released on November 29, 2005. It arose after Tracey Smith and Deborah Chymyshyn were denied the use of a Lower Mainland hall they’d rented from the Knights of Columbus. The Catholic organization did so after learning that the hall was to be used for a reception following a same-sex marriage.
The Knights argued that they opposed same-sex weddings and that this is at the core of their religious beliefs.
Ruling in favour of Smith and Chymyshyn, the panel relied on the “concept of undue hardship”.
“Although we have accepted that the Knights could refuse access to the Hall to the complainants because of their core religious beliefs, in the Panel’s view, in making this decision they had to consider the effect their actions would have on the complainants,” the panel stated in the decision.
They were not required to find another hall for the complainants but they could have offered a formal apology, immediately reimbursed the complainants, or helped them find another venue.
“This type of accommodation would not have required them to act contrary to their core religious beliefs and, according to the evidence of Ms. Smith, would have been understood by the complainants and respected,” the panel noted.
With regard to the complaint filed by Eadie and Thomas, the respondents themselves, according to Geiger-Adams’s account, acknowledged that the gay couple felt distress and anger at the way they were treated.



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Yes, gay people have rights! Just like black people, the disabled, and EVERYONE ELSE. So I'm guessing you're a homophobic biggot who doen't want them to have rights? It's not their fault government took away other people's rights. But I'm sure if they were black, you wouldn't have that attitude about it, would you? You need to get over your own petty feelings and see the bigger picture. If this was done to you, you would probably have a cow. Ever heard this little poem?
In Germany they first came for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me —
and by that time no one was left to speak up.
Just some food for thought, ya jerk.
"Aww the gay couple felt distress and anger at the way they were treated The poor dears HEY other people have rights too!!! But they are shrinking more and more each day."
Rights to what? Discriminate? Maybe when a Muslim goes to bed and breakfast, he/she should be turned away because it's in "contravention of Protestant teachings"? How about Buddhists, atheists, Hindus, Jewish?
People like the knucklehead Emil should learn to keep up with the times or they will be looked at like some sort of troglodytes in his/her own country.
'“Wow,” Eadie responded and hung up.'
Wow?? It's Grand Forks! DUH!!
I think the gay couple will win in the courts, but...I honestly don't think that will change anything. All the legal success of the gay couple will do is make the fundie couple feel even more strongly that a) they're being persecuted for being Christian; b) that the modern world is drifting ever further from what God wants (and fundies are always very certain that they know EXACTLY what God wants); and c) that they and others like them have to try harder than ever to bring America back to the religious right, so that all fundies can discriminate legally, according to Leviticus. Because they will never admit that America is not a theocracy, or that the Constitution is the supreme law of the land, rather than the Bible.
On the other hand, if the gay couple didn't sue in court, that would just send a tacit message that the fundies had the right to discriminate against customers in their business, which they don't. And that would send entirely the wrong message.
That's what I mean when I say that there's no way to win this one. Either you do nothing and give them silent permission to be discriminatory, or you fight them and reinforce their private view of themselves as righteous Christian martyrs being victimized by the evil, corrupt world which is ever so eager to take away their rights. Either way, there's no way to get fundies to stop, and there's no way to make them see that they're doing anything wrong.
Have any of you ever even been there?
I totally agree, it's wrong for the B&B to turn this couple away. But it's pure idealism. We live in the *REAL WORLD* where small towns are usually extremely conservative. If this had happened around Vancouver, I'd be shocked... but Grand Forks? Population of 4000, in the heart of the BC bible belt. No surprise!
B&B's are public businesses? Really? Does the government own them? Come on. You're bending the meaning of "public" and "private". Should women be allowed in gay bathhouses as well? Technically, yes.. but you can guess how well that would turn out...
Truth is, discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation is illegal in our society. The B&B owners admit they discriminate but claim a higher authority, their personal religious belief (perhaps based on the Bible or church teaching). In the end we'll see if they take responsibility for their civil disobedience or undermine social order by claiming to be above the law.
But in the long run, this conflict (gays against the gospel, according to the blogger) is temporary. Eventually people who hold traditional, discriminatory beliefs will change their minds. It's already happening, even among the most conservative Christians. For example, Stephen Harper (Christian Missionary Alliance) condemns the proposed anti-gay legislation in Uganda which was inspired by even more fundamentalist believers.
If Tutu was right, that the arc of history bends toward justice, then bigotry will give way, over time, to tolerance and equality. But only if we're willing to stand up against injustice, even in the small things. Even in Grand Forks.
If you're running a public service, you have to provide it to the public. (Within reason: no one is required to rent to a drunk with needles hanging out of their arms, and/or Lindsay Lohan.)
But then, there are all sorts of exceptions -- schools organized among gender or religious lines, for example.
I think there has to be some common sense. I would like it if bigots would take a cue from the gays and hang a small flag outside their business (e.g. the Confederate battle flag, or a swastika) to indicate that their place is only for morons like themselves.
www.TheGayManifesto.com
The Molnar's rejection of the gay couple is obviously fear-based, that the couple would somehow "contaminate" their "sacred space". Brother.
Well, as ridiculous and ironically un-christian as their action was, the likelihood that the Molnar's actually wish the gay couple harm is very, very low.
So, what's the response? How do we show backwoods people that gay people are kind, thoughtful, intelligent and gracious? Well, maybe by taking the high road from time to time.
NOT that we should accept true abuse, but in the case of dealing with someone who's simply afraid, like a lot of christians are, maybe an approach other than the typical 'freaking out and suing' would be a wise one.
So like I say, look at who truly changed history: Jesus, Ghandi, Tutu, MLK Jr, Mandela, to name a few.
Let's stick up for ourselves, by all means, but in the process of standing up for rights, be kind and respectful to those who oppose us.
To Nathaniel who said :"Seriously. It's Grand Forks. Have any of you ever even been there?...Population of 4000, in the heart of the BC bible belt. No surprise!"
You are sorely misinformed and your own ignorance is showing. Most of the people in this town are friendly, tolerant and open-minded. I would never colour a whole town with the actions of TWO of its residents. Think straight.
Thank you for warning me that you are bigotted slimeballs. Given that it goes against my deeply-held personal convictions to give random bigots the means to earn their livelihood, therefore I regret that I cannot allow you to serve me. I further regret that I must take my business to more open, accepting and dare I say it Human businesses. Please be assured that I am hoping for a distinct lack of success for your business this year, and I look forward to reading of your bankruptcy in the near future.
Sincerely,
Jessica.
I think the more vocal complainant would better spend his time seeking out a good dentist than whinging on to the press.
And as far as your religious convictions go, your freedom to be religious ends at my nose; you are not allowed to ram your beliefs down my throat. Nor am I allowed to ram my beliefs down yours. That's what civilised society is all about. You seem to have missed this little lesson in politeness and civilised behaviour.
I don't see why you felt it necessary to flaunt your misogyny for all to see in your comment but thank you for the warning. See my earlier comment about bigotry and rest assured that I will never darken your doorway nor ever give you any of my money.
Here, I'll paste the relevant section of the Canadian Human Rights Act and even bold it to make it easy for you.
Under the Canadian Human Rights Act, it is against the law for any employer or provider of a service that falls within federal jurisdiction to discriminate on the basis of:
* Race
* National or ethnic origin
* Colour
* Religion
* Age
* Sex (including pregnancy and childbearing)
* Sexual Orientation
* Marital status
* Family status
* Physical or mental disability (including dependence on alcohol or drugs)
* Pardoned criminal conviction
So you see, gays do not have any more rights than straight people have, they have exactly the same rights you have. Because this law protects you just as much as it protects gays.
You are misrepresenting the business' rights in your drug addict example. A business cannot turn away an addict just because xe's an addict. They can only turn away the addict if ey are causing a disruption to the operation of the business. What you're doing here is called "derailing the argument" by inserting a false analogy. The discussion is not whether a business can refuse service to an addict, it's that refusing service based on sexual orientation is illegal. Plain and simple.
And let's not be bringing the religion angle into it. It doesn't matter why the Molnars refused them, it matters that they refused them based on their sexual orientation, an action which is illegal under the Canadian Human Rights Act.
Just wondering...
Thank you to those who have recognized that this is a matter of principle. If the Molnars had advertised their B&B as a Christian B&B we would not have darkened their doorstep. but of course, to advertise their business as a Christian one, would likely narrow the client base significantly. So instead they advertised themselves as just a B&B. This allows for a wider demographic from which they can attract customers. But it is against the law to discriminate. So pick one, if your beliefs are more important, then advertise as a Christian business. If the bottom line is more important, then you best follow the law.
As for Grand Forks, lets be clear, the town is a wonderful one and the people are great. Lets not paint a whole town as flawed, when only the decision of two people is what was flawed.
Sadly, bigotry still exists and as long as it does, I will continue to fight it
However, that doesn't make it at all the compassionate thing to do. Nor do I see how denying someone your services is "practicing your religious beliefs". Especially from Christians... whatever happened to following in Jesus' footsteps, who loved both the saint and the prostitute?
Eh. Bigotry still exists, I suppose. On the bright side, at least those poor men didn't have to deal with an attempted casting of evil spirits from their bodies for being gay.
Also - I grew up in Grand Forks and it is neither in the Bible belt nor full of hicks. Some very wonderful people call it home.
Putting down the town of Grand Forks and the ppl that live there is so immature.
Lets have some consideration for the ppl that are being impacted by all this and be respectful in the commentary.
But hey, I must just be a close-minded hick right? ;)
Number two, if you are offering a service to the public, even a B+B you are still taking the public's money and have to obey the non-discrimination laws for the business community of your area like them or not. You cannot pick and choose according to your beliefs. You have to put those beliefs aside and serve ALL and not just your own more highly favored type.
You are not allowed to even claim a right to discriminate based on the B+B being your house or private property simply because you are still operating a business serving the general public and taking the general public's money. It being your private property in that case does not give you a right in that case to "pick and choose" who your clients are based on anything other than ability to pay and ability to get along with the other guests.
Religious beliefs are not a valid reason to deny housing, goods and services to anyone. Either you treat all equally or you should not be in business.
Being a Christian should make you more sensitive and not less to treat all who come your way with love. Otherwise your faith is becomes a source of pain and hurt to others and in the end no-one will be attracted the "bitter gall" your faith become similar to. Ants are attracted to honey not to bitter gall and people are the same way.
All of these places where faith is used as a repellent to some
people will eventually fail, because the law will not tolerant those who discriminatory few who claim their faith puts them above the law. No, you are not above the law. You are to obey even laws you dislike. Give onto Caesar what is Caesar's and give onto God what is God's by way of taxes and by way of obeying secular laws no matter "how worldly" you deem them. Obeying the laws of the land does not interfere with your ability to pray, to go to be with a body of believers, to tithe, to give to the poor, to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to help those who have less than you, and to love thy neighbor as thyself. And you are welcome and NOT TO VEX the stranger, is another Biblical concept. I interpret that to mean ZERO discrimination of any kind against people.
I don't see where turning away gay couples is loving thy neighbor as thyself and not judging lest ye be judged.
Charity begins at home. And turning away couples or singles who are peaceful, can pay your room rate or tariff, get along with other guests is not being respectful, kind, loving or charitable of heart and is a disservice to them as well as to your faith and your reputation as a good host or good hostess.
Further, what "distress" did they think a gay couple sleeping in their B&B would cause? It's just two dudes sharing a bed, not two gang members selling drugs to little children and holding the owners hostage.
The fact that there's still biggots out there like this just absolutely floors me. Disgusting Molnar's, you are bad people, not the people you turned away.
There are plenty of B&B that are gay friendly,just shop around.People can do what they want and it is their personal home.It is the home owner who pays the property taxes.
Good advice Erica. Whenever I'm out with black friends looking for a place to eat and we don't see a sign saying "Negros welcome", we just keep looking.
This is a privately owned, not publicly owned business. These people are devout Christians and allowing this gay couple to sleep together under their roof would be, in their belief system, a sin against God, to whom they believe they are fully accountable, first and foremost.
We're not talking about coffee or a meal here. We're not even talking about treating everyone with love and respect, which Christians are commanded by God to do. Forcing them to allow this gay couple to sleep together in their home is, according to their beliefs, nothing less than forcing them to abandon their faith and commitment to God.
Despite some hurt feelings, this personal decision did not incite hatred toward gays nor have gays been banned from B & Bs or other sleeping accommodations everywhere! Most certainly there are many secular alternatives. This gay couple did not suffer irreparable harm. At best, it was an annoyance and perhaps a minor inconvenience, but certainly not a universal condemnation or societal rejection.
The real agenda of this complaint against a Christian couple is to legally force them to submit to the values and beliefs of one group in society, who seem to insist their rights should legally trump the rights of others. In reality, all this Christian couple did was choose to act within their own belief system, by making a personal decision that caused no harm to anyone.
This is not really about rights; it's actually part of a continuing and alarming push for power -- to squash any and all opposition to the belief system of one group in society.
Similarly, even when a complaint was filed against the public commissioner in Saskatchewan who wouldn't perform a gay marriage because of his Christian belief system, civil service was not being universally denied - it just was not going to be provided by this one commissioner, who had performed admirably in his job for 30 years before this one complaint. There were many others who could, would and indeed, the law makes it a priority to make sure there are!
The tired old argument that if one simply chooses to act in accordance with their Christian beliefs, they should only be a priest or a pastor is as ridiculous as saying if you're homosexual, your choice of jobs should be restricted to those which make pushing the gay agenda a total priority.
Finally, as far as the ever-popular "homophobic" or label ascribed to anyone who doesn't gush in approval of same-sex marriage and gay issues, just because someone disagrees with you, it doesn't mean they're afraid of you. Quite frankly, my only hope to make sure my individual rights and freedoms, and any reasonable choices I make based on my beliefs, are never infringed upon by the belief systems of others.
People discriminate every day and it is obvious that most of the sentiments expressed above are those from individuals with a bigoted attitude towards the Molinar's Christian values.
While I agree that people should not discriminate on the basis of ones colour, religion or orientation, one should be able to discriminate on the basis of one's lifestyle/actions in a private residence, e.g. two men or an unmarried couple sleeping together in my bedroom.