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Gay couple clashes with Christian bed and breakfast owners over right to stay

By Carlito Pablo,

Does freedom of religion trump the right not to be discriminated against due to sexual orientation?

This question is at the core of a complaint before the B.C. Human Rights Tribunal. It involves a Christian couple, two gay lovers, and the use of a home-based bed-and-breakfast.

In a March 3, 2010, written decision that paves the way for a hearing by denying an application for dismissal, tribunal member Murray Geiger-Adams recounted the background of the dispute based on the submissions made by the parties.

Shaun Eadie and Brian Thomas wanted to book the Swan Room of the Riverbend Bed and Breakfast. The B & B is at the home of Les and Susan Molnar in Grand Forks, a community in the southern Interior. The Molnars are Protestants and evangelical Christians.

On June 18, 2009, Eadie reserved the room through a telephone conversation with Susan Molnar. A few minutes later, Les Molnar called Eadie and asked whether or not he and Thomas were a couple.

In their complaint, Eadie and Thomas stated that after hearing Eadie confirm that they were together, Les told him: “Then this is not going to work out.” Les claimed that he said: “I’m sorry, I don’t think it’s going to work out.”

“Wow,” Eadie responded and hung up. No further discussions followed. Eadie and Thomas subsequently filed their complaint.

Les doesn’t deny that he rejected the reservation because to “allow a gay couple to share a bed in my Christian home would violate my Christian beliefs and cause me and my wife great distress”.

The Molnars asserted that “our private dwelling house should have a modified standard” under the B.C. Human Rights Code “because of our religious (moral) beliefs”.

For their part, Eadie and Thomas claimed that they belong to a group protected under the code and that their sexual orientation was directly linked to the denial of their reservation at the Molnars’ B & B.

However, the Molnars believe that their actions are protected under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, which guarantees the freedoms of religion and association.

Geiger-Adams wrote that he understood the Molnars’ contention that they were “responding in good faith to their perception of what would make all their guests and themselves comfortable”, and that they didn’t intend ill will.

But he noted that “it is not a respondent’s intention, but the effect of their conduct on a complainant, which is relevant in considering whether discrimination has occurred.”

The Molnars wanted the tribunal to dismiss the complaint without a hearing. However, Geiger-Adams dismissed their application.

Citing a couple of past cases involving the conflict between religious beliefs and protection from discrimination, Geiger-Adams wrote that “balancing competing rights is a legally and factually complicated exercise, for which the Tribunal requires detailed evidence.”

One of these cases was decided by a tribunal panel in a decision released on November 29, 2005. It arose after Tracey Smith and Deborah Chymyshyn were denied the use of a Lower Mainland hall they’d rented from the Knights of Columbus. The Catholic organization did so after learning that the hall was to be used for a reception following a same-sex marriage.

The Knights argued that they opposed same-sex weddings and that this is at the core of their religious beliefs.

Ruling in favour of Smith and Chymyshyn, the panel relied on the “concept of undue hardship”.

“Although we have accepted that the Knights could refuse access to the Hall to the complainants because of their core religious beliefs, in the Panel’s view, in making this decision they had to consider the effect their actions would have on the complainants,” the panel stated in the decision.

They were not required to find another hall for the complainants but they could have offered a formal apology, immediately reimbursed the complainants, or helped them find another venue.

“This type of accommodation would not have required them to act contrary to their core religious beliefs and, according to the evidence of Ms. Smith, would have been understood by the complainants and respected,” the panel noted.

With regard to the complaint filed by Eadie and Thomas, the respondents themselves, according to Geiger-Adams’s account, acknowledged that the gay couple felt distress and anger at the way they were treated.

Comments

Emil
Aww the gay couple felt distress and anger at the way they were treated The poor dears HEY other people have rights too!!! But they are shrinking more and more each day.
 
Alexandra
To Emil:

Yes, gay people have rights! Just like black people, the disabled, and EVERYONE ELSE. So I'm guessing you're a homophobic biggot who doen't want them to have rights? It's not their fault government took away other people's rights. But I'm sure if they were black, you wouldn't have that attitude about it, would you? You need to get over your own petty feelings and see the bigger picture. If this was done to you, you would probably have a cow. Ever heard this little poem?

In Germany they first came for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.

Then they came for me —
and by that time no one was left to speak up.

Just some food for thought, ya jerk.
 
Tri
Emil wrote

"Aww the gay couple felt distress and anger at the way they were treated The poor dears HEY other people have rights too!!! But they are shrinking more and more each day."

Rights to what? Discriminate? Maybe when a Muslim goes to bed and breakfast, he/she should be turned away because it's in "contravention of Protestant teachings"? How about Buddhists, atheists, Hindus, Jewish?

People like the knucklehead Emil should learn to keep up with the times or they will be looked at like some sort of troglodytes in his/her own country.
 
Nathaniel
My first thought was: Grand Forks... and the couple is really surprised??!

'“Wow,” Eadie responded and hung up.'

Wow?? It's Grand Forks! DUH!!
 
T.J.
I think it's illegal, since Riverbend Bed and Breakfast is most emphatically a public business. Running a B & B just for the Molnars and their like-minded friends wouldn't be very profitable.

I think the gay couple will win in the courts, but...I honestly don't think that will change anything. All the legal success of the gay couple will do is make the fundie couple feel even more strongly that a) they're being persecuted for being Christian; b) that the modern world is drifting ever further from what God wants (and fundies are always very certain that they know EXACTLY what God wants); and c) that they and others like them have to try harder than ever to bring America back to the religious right, so that all fundies can discriminate legally, according to Leviticus. Because they will never admit that America is not a theocracy, or that the Constitution is the supreme law of the land, rather than the Bible.

On the other hand, if the gay couple didn't sue in court, that would just send a tacit message that the fundies had the right to discriminate against customers in their business, which they don't. And that would send entirely the wrong message.

That's what I mean when I say that there's no way to win this one. Either you do nothing and give them silent permission to be discriminatory, or you fight them and reinforce their private view of themselves as righteous Christian martyrs being victimized by the evil, corrupt world which is ever so eager to take away their rights. Either way, there's no way to get fundies to stop, and there's no way to make them see that they're doing anything wrong.
 
Paul in Toronto
So, allowing a gay couple to stay in their (publically registered) B&B would be in conflict with their Christian religious views.... what Christian religious views.... are they the same ones Jesus would espound? Don't think so Mulnars - you're not religious, or Christian.. just run-of-the-mill, backwoods bigots.
 
MB
There is also an element of disclosure in advertising. Could a gay couple know they were not welcome to make a reservation? It seems not. It might me nice to know all the types of people any one b&b does not want. If disclosure was the name of the game, then they would only have other insular petty Chirstian types as guests.
 
Nathaniel
Seriously. It's Grand Forks.

Have any of you ever even been there?

I totally agree, it's wrong for the B&B to turn this couple away. But it's pure idealism. We live in the *REAL WORLD* where small towns are usually extremely conservative. If this had happened around Vancouver, I'd be shocked... but Grand Forks? Population of 4000, in the heart of the BC bible belt. No surprise!
 
Nathaniel
Let the money talk. Go to gay-friendly B&B's who advertise as such, and the unfriendly B&B's will lose business. That *will* actually change something, much unlike suing a Ma and Pa with hopes of proving a point.

B&B's are public businesses? Really? Does the government own them? Come on. You're bending the meaning of "public" and "private". Should women be allowed in gay bathhouses as well? Technically, yes.. but you can guess how well that would turn out...
 
whiteknight
The B&B should have the right to turn away any would be customers for any reason without having to explain themselves to you me or the kangaroo court that is human right commision. It is thier house, on thier private property. To Alexandra I like your analogy of the Nazi's but you fail to realize that first it is the government prying into these people's private property then mine and soon enough government regulation will come knocking at your door. Out to T.J wich stock market is the public B&B on I have not been able to locate it. Oh probably because its PRIVATE, on what PRIVATE PROPERTY.
 
Paul in SLO
I have a question. If an non married couple want to book a room and sleep in the same bed would they be told that they could not stay there because it goes aginst their Christian beliefs? I thought the Bible taught us to open are hearts and homes and that all are welcome.
 
Freedom?. Nope.
Goes to show, the Xtians are closed minded backwards and prejudice. Which is why I dont like churches or any religions for that matter.
 
Stevo
Yes, some religious people will point to this and scream "Persecution!" to high heaven. As one blogger has already spun it, "HOMOSEXUALS ... TERRORIZE CHRISTIAN B&B OWNERS"!

Truth is, discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation is illegal in our society. The B&B owners admit they discriminate but claim a higher authority, their personal religious belief (perhaps based on the Bible or church teaching). In the end we'll see if they take responsibility for their civil disobedience or undermine social order by claiming to be above the law.

But in the long run, this conflict (gays against the gospel, according to the blogger) is temporary. Eventually people who hold traditional, discriminatory beliefs will change their minds. It's already happening, even among the most conservative Christians. For example, Stephen Harper (Christian Missionary Alliance) condemns the proposed anti-gay legislation in Uganda which was inspired by even more fundamentalist believers.

If Tutu was right, that the arc of history bends toward justice, then bigotry will give way, over time, to tolerance and equality. But only if we're willing to stand up against injustice, even in the small things. Even in Grand Forks.
 
LOL @ religious bigots
At first blush, this case seems extremely easy to adjudicate.
If you're running a public service, you have to provide it to the public. (Within reason: no one is required to rent to a drunk with needles hanging out of their arms, and/or Lindsay Lohan.)
But then, there are all sorts of exceptions -- schools organized among gender or religious lines, for example.
I think there has to be some common sense. I would like it if bigots would take a cue from the gays and hang a small flag outside their business (e.g. the Confederate battle flag, or a swastika) to indicate that their place is only for morons like themselves.
 
Nestor B. Schmutzer
One cannot help but wonder why these pious inn-keepers have not posted a big disclaimer on both their website and their property reading "No Sodomists Welcome" long ago, seeing as the thought of two people in love who happen to be of the same sex occupying one of their rooms apparently causes them such distress. In fact, had they been kind enough to indicate that their establishment was run in accordance with strict evangelical mores, people who do not share their delusions might have had the chance to steer clear of it in the first place.
 
Pegasez
What, was their money the wrong colour?
 
TheGayManifesto
You know it's too bad the owners of the manger didn't discriminate against pregnant virgins...

www.TheGayManifesto.com
 
electro
Religious hard-asses shouldnt run lodging style businesses anyway. I bet if a child molester or the KKK knocked on their door it would be ok to stay.
 
win them over with...
I wholly disagree with the Molnar's decision, but I think we have a lot to learn from people like MLK Jr, Desmond Tutu, and even Jesus, for that matter, as to how to respond to unkind people.

The Molnar's rejection of the gay couple is obviously fear-based, that the couple would somehow "contaminate" their "sacred space". Brother.
Well, as ridiculous and ironically un-christian as their action was, the likelihood that the Molnar's actually wish the gay couple harm is very, very low.
So, what's the response? How do we show backwoods people that gay people are kind, thoughtful, intelligent and gracious? Well, maybe by taking the high road from time to time.

NOT that we should accept true abuse, but in the case of dealing with someone who's simply afraid, like a lot of christians are, maybe an approach other than the typical 'freaking out and suing' would be a wise one.

So like I say, look at who truly changed history: Jesus, Ghandi, Tutu, MLK Jr, Mandela, to name a few.
Let's stick up for ourselves, by all means, but in the process of standing up for rights, be kind and respectful to those who oppose us.
 
April
As a long time resident of Grand Forks, I resent the awful comments about Grand Forks residents being intolerant. I have lived here for over 20 years and never found this to be true.

To Nathaniel who said :"Seriously. It's Grand Forks. Have any of you ever even been there?...Population of 4000, in the heart of the BC bible belt. No surprise!"

You are sorely misinformed and your own ignorance is showing. Most of the people in this town are friendly, tolerant and open-minded. I would never colour a whole town with the actions of TWO of its residents. Think straight.
 
Sammy B.
Sadly, the Molnar's poor decision and intolerance is giving the wrong impression of the people of this small town. I feel for all of the residents and other B&B owners who have to try and fight off this label. I love Grand Forks and have found its people to be kind and open.
 
Anonymous1
I actually think it's their own choice to decide who they would like to stay at their bed and breakfast. If that's what they believe, then others should respect that. It's discrimination against them for anyone to try and tell them what they can and cannot believe! Also, I think it's a different situation because they run a bed and breakfast out of their home. If it was a hotel, I would understand. But, in the end it's their call - discriminating or not.
 
Jessie_c
Dear $_Bigots,

Thank you for warning me that you are bigotted slimeballs. Given that it goes against my deeply-held personal convictions to give random bigots the means to earn their livelihood, therefore I regret that I cannot allow you to serve me. I further regret that I must take my business to more open, accepting and dare I say it Human businesses. Please be assured that I am hoping for a distinct lack of success for your business this year, and I look forward to reading of your bankruptcy in the near future.

Sincerely,

Jessica.
 
Antony Tiberius
I find the complaints by that publicity seeking gay couple as outrageous & ridiculous. I myself am a Christian and I am also Queer, with my own male partner of 8 years. I owned a B&B before selling it recently. I believe it is shocking that other people can dictate who we can & cannot accept into our premises which are also our homes. I have no problems with the Christian faith & committed same sex relationships and Jesus said nothing to prohibit them. However, the issue is a central one not I believe based on sexual orientation. We should have the basic right to accept who we wish & not wish, in our own homes. Personally, I do not allow women in my house. Like the Apostle Paul I am a mysogynist & believe in the spiritual headship of men, which is completely scriptural. There are many who condemn me for it but at the end of the day it is my conviction & my home.

I think the more vocal complainant would better spend his time seeking out a good dentist than whinging on to the press.
 
Jessie_c
Anthony Tiberius, what part of owning a business did you not understand when you ran your B&B? If you run a business out of your home, all of a sudden you're not just in your home, you're in a place of business, and like it or not, all the laws affecting businesses also affect your home. All of a sudden, you cannot pick and choose who you will allow into your place of business. As soon as your home becomes your business you lose the right to accept only who you wish into your place of business.

And as far as your religious convictions go, your freedom to be religious ends at my nose; you are not allowed to ram your beliefs down my throat. Nor am I allowed to ram my beliefs down yours. That's what civilised society is all about. You seem to have missed this little lesson in politeness and civilised behaviour.

I don't see why you felt it necessary to flaunt your misogyny for all to see in your comment but thank you for the warning. See my earlier comment about bigotry and rest assured that I will never darken your doorway nor ever give you any of my money.
 
ak
In ANY place of business, all businesses are allowed to accept or turn down any customer. Go to your local movie theatre or to a sporting event, they always state they have the right to refuse entry. That is their right. If the Molnars did not agree with the sexual orientation of their guests, then they have the right to do this. Who is to say that the gays have more rights than the heteros? It is only because they are religious that everyone is jumping on their backs. If a drug addict showed up at a place of business, then the business has the right to refuse them entry and kick them out. I'm sure a lot of you would also refuse them entry into your home if they needed your help too. But that's just an assumption.
 
Jessie_c
ak, check your work. You are incorrect. Businesses may refuse service for many reasons but sexual orientation is not one of them.

Here, I'll paste the relevant section of the Canadian Human Rights Act and even bold it to make it easy for you.

Under the Canadian Human Rights Act, it is against the law for any employer or provider of a service that falls within federal jurisdiction to discriminate on the basis of:

* Race
* National or ethnic origin
* Colour
* Religion
* Age
* Sex (including pregnancy and childbearing)
* Sexual Orientation
* Marital status
* Family status
* Physical or mental disability (including dependence on alcohol or drugs)
* Pardoned criminal conviction

So you see, gays do not have any more rights than straight people have, they have exactly the same rights you have. Because this law protects you just as much as it protects gays.

You are misrepresenting the business' rights in your drug addict example. A business cannot turn away an addict just because xe's an addict. They can only turn away the addict if ey are causing a disruption to the operation of the business. What you're doing here is called "derailing the argument" by inserting a false analogy. The discussion is not whether a business can refuse service to an addict, it's that refusing service based on sexual orientation is illegal. Plain and simple.

And let's not be bringing the religion angle into it. It doesn't matter why the Molnars refused them, it matters that they refused them based on their sexual orientation, an action which is illegal under the Canadian Human Rights Act.
 
Fatcitizen
Just wondering if they would also deny access to their B&B to unwed het couples?

Just wondering...
 
B. Thomas
Wow, lots of comments on this case. First, i wish to set the record straight on the assertion by some that we sought out publicity for this case. We have not in any way contacted the press about this. for those who do not know it, the press monitors press releases from the BC Human Rights Tribunals and that is where the press got hold of this story. In fact, the press has not even contacted us for comment. So to the bigots who believe that this is a self serving, ego based act, well, wrong again.

Thank you to those who have recognized that this is a matter of principle. If the Molnars had advertised their B&B as a Christian B&B we would not have darkened their doorstep. but of course, to advertise their business as a Christian one, would likely narrow the client base significantly. So instead they advertised themselves as just a B&B. This allows for a wider demographic from which they can attract customers. But it is against the law to discriminate. So pick one, if your beliefs are more important, then advertise as a Christian business. If the bottom line is more important, then you best follow the law.

As for Grand Forks, lets be clear, the town is a wonderful one and the people are great. Lets not paint a whole town as flawed, when only the decision of two people is what was flawed.

Sadly, bigotry still exists and as long as it does, I will continue to fight it
 
YOU get REAL
If you dont wants GAYS on your "PRIAVATE PROPERTY" then DONT OPEN A BED AND BREAKFAST!! These people cannot sit on the fence between "this is my home and my private residence" and "this is a hotel" make up your mind. What if the old Christian coupple decided to buy a large chain hotel like a best western and they lived in a suite in the hotel? They could just say "THIS IS MY HOME I CAN CHOSE WHO COMES HERE" and this reject everyone who is not a white straight Christian? Now that it is 2010 Christianity should be BANNED as it is just HATE.
 
Rachel S.
I can understand the whole idea of a private business and the owners being able to turn away who they want to.
However, that doesn't make it at all the compassionate thing to do. Nor do I see how denying someone your services is "practicing your religious beliefs". Especially from Christians... whatever happened to following in Jesus' footsteps, who loved both the saint and the prostitute?

Eh. Bigotry still exists, I suppose. On the bright side, at least those poor men didn't have to deal with an attempted casting of evil spirits from their bodies for being gay.
 
White Heterosexual Christian
Just want to point out that not all Christians are against homosexuality. The fundamentalists tend to be, but not the liberals.

Also - I grew up in Grand Forks and it is neither in the Bible belt nor full of hicks. Some very wonderful people call it home.
 
Think before you write
In all seriousness ppl stop the ignorance!
Putting down the town of Grand Forks and the ppl that live there is so immature.
Lets have some consideration for the ppl that are being impacted by all this and be respectful in the commentary.
 
Christian Hick
I grew up in Grand Forks and am also a Christian. While both sides have valid points, I think the Molnar's could have chosen this opportunity to show the love of Jesus rather than pour out their own judgement. It bring to mind a quote of Gandhi's: "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." Jesus was full of love and so should the Christians be - unfortunately no one is perfect. I hope the owners of the B&B do choose to apologise and make this right, not as a compromise of their beliefs but to live them out.

But hey, I must just be a close-minded hick right? ;)
 
Morgan
Nathaniel, every town has good and bad people. It's not the town, it's just the particular people involved in this story and no-one else.
 
Morgan
Number one, I am a Christian, so not all Christians are close-minded hicks.

Number two, if you are offering a service to the public, even a B+B you are still taking the public's money and have to obey the non-discrimination laws for the business community of your area like them or not. You cannot pick and choose according to your beliefs. You have to put those beliefs aside and serve ALL and not just your own more highly favored type.
You are not allowed to even claim a right to discriminate based on the B+B being your house or private property simply because you are still operating a business serving the general public and taking the general public's money. It being your private property in that case does not give you a right in that case to "pick and choose" who your clients are based on anything other than ability to pay and ability to get along with the other guests.

Religious beliefs are not a valid reason to deny housing, goods and services to anyone. Either you treat all equally or you should not be in business.

Being a Christian should make you more sensitive and not less to treat all who come your way with love. Otherwise your faith is becomes a source of pain and hurt to others and in the end no-one will be attracted the "bitter gall" your faith become similar to. Ants are attracted to honey not to bitter gall and people are the same way.

All of these places where faith is used as a repellent to some
people will eventually fail, because the law will not tolerant those who discriminatory few who claim their faith puts them above the law. No, you are not above the law. You are to obey even laws you dislike. Give onto Caesar what is Caesar's and give onto God what is God's by way of taxes and by way of obeying secular laws no matter "how worldly" you deem them. Obeying the laws of the land does not interfere with your ability to pray, to go to be with a body of believers, to tithe, to give to the poor, to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to help those who have less than you, and to love thy neighbor as thyself. And you are welcome and NOT TO VEX the stranger, is another Biblical concept. I interpret that to mean ZERO discrimination of any kind against people.

I don't see where turning away gay couples is loving thy neighbor as thyself and not judging lest ye be judged.
Charity begins at home. And turning away couples or singles who are peaceful, can pay your room rate or tariff, get along with other guests is not being respectful, kind, loving or charitable of heart and is a disservice to them as well as to your faith and your reputation as a good host or good hostess.
 
mdinmn
The B&B folks need to post that they only allow people who share their belief system to rent a room from them....no mormons, no cathollics,no muslims, no jews. Each one of these groups believes that only they are going to heaven. Each one of these groups defines marriage differently. God is in the hospitality business, these folks shouldn't be.
 
F. Hag
Oh Molnars. You open a bed and breakfast, then refuse gay men?? Talk about a suicidal business plan. Honey, why not open a brunch cafe, florist's or antiques shoppe, then turn the boys away too? Next stop, bankruptcy.
 
Rick
My boyfriend and I were asked to leave a b&b once for no reason, we were travelling with his mother (who had her own room) and think the owner eventually realized we weren't brothers. Although we didn't do anything about it, it did make us feel sorta second class. I bet this happens alot more than we think. We then found a gay-owned and operated place that was better so it turned out OK in the end.
 
mattjobes
You know, I'm a straight male, but I find it disgusting that there is still such biggotry in our own country. These B&B owners are hiding behind their religion cloak because they're biggots, not because they are evangilical christains. I'm a christian, but nowwhere can I find in the bible does it say "Thou shalt not be in a relationship with a member of the same sex" I think I do remember seeing something about "Thou shalt Love thy Neighbor as thyself" though.

Further, what "distress" did they think a gay couple sleeping in their B&B would cause? It's just two dudes sharing a bed, not two gang members selling drugs to little children and holding the owners hostage.

The fact that there's still biggots out there like this just absolutely floors me. Disgusting Molnar's, you are bad people, not the people you turned away.
 
Erica Johns
It would be helpful for B&B businesses to post a gay flag sign,meaning they accept gays.If gay oriented people do not see this sign,then they should move-on.

There are plenty of B&B that are gay friendly,just shop around.People can do what they want and it is their personal home.It is the home owner who pays the property taxes.
 
Travis Lupick
"If gay oriented people do not see this sign,then they should move-on."

Good advice Erica. Whenever I'm out with black friends looking for a place to eat and we don't see a sign saying "Negros welcome", we just keep looking.
 
Ron E.
The level of hostility that this debate generates is disturbing and disappointing. The belief system of any individual or group should never trump the belief system of another, unless it causes actual harm (and I'm not talking about hurt feelings).

This is a privately owned, not publicly owned business. These people are devout Christians and allowing this gay couple to sleep together under their roof would be, in their belief system, a sin against God, to whom they believe they are fully accountable, first and foremost.

We're not talking about coffee or a meal here. We're not even talking about treating everyone with love and respect, which Christians are commanded by God to do. Forcing them to allow this gay couple to sleep together in their home is, according to their beliefs, nothing less than forcing them to abandon their faith and commitment to God.

Despite some hurt feelings, this personal decision did not incite hatred toward gays nor have gays been banned from B & Bs or other sleeping accommodations everywhere! Most certainly there are many secular alternatives. This gay couple did not suffer irreparable harm. At best, it was an annoyance and perhaps a minor inconvenience, but certainly not a universal condemnation or societal rejection.

The real agenda of this complaint against a Christian couple is to legally force them to submit to the values and beliefs of one group in society, who seem to insist their rights should legally trump the rights of others. In reality, all this Christian couple did was choose to act within their own belief system, by making a personal decision that caused no harm to anyone.

This is not really about rights; it's actually part of a continuing and alarming push for power -- to squash any and all opposition to the belief system of one group in society.

Similarly, even when a complaint was filed against the public commissioner in Saskatchewan who wouldn't perform a gay marriage because of his Christian belief system, civil service was not being universally denied - it just was not going to be provided by this one commissioner, who had performed admirably in his job for 30 years before this one complaint. There were many others who could, would and indeed, the law makes it a priority to make sure there are!

The tired old argument that if one simply chooses to act in accordance with their Christian beliefs, they should only be a priest or a pastor is as ridiculous as saying if you're homosexual, your choice of jobs should be restricted to those which make pushing the gay agenda a total priority.

Finally, as far as the ever-popular "homophobic" or label ascribed to anyone who doesn't gush in approval of same-sex marriage and gay issues, just because someone disagrees with you, it doesn't mean they're afraid of you. Quite frankly, my only hope to make sure my individual rights and freedoms, and any reasonable choices I make based on my beliefs, are never infringed upon by the belief systems of others.
 
Jonathan Rogers
In my humble opinion any business that is not owned and operated by the government is a private business. As such it should and must have the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason whatsoever and at no time should they have to explain or justify their decision to anyone. I may not necessarily agree with the B&B owners decision or their beliefs (which I definately don't as I'm an atheist) but in the end a private business should be free to operate as per the wishes of it's owners..not the government. Of course to me, as a libertarian, I dislike any interferrenc in business by the government. In my opinion governments only exist to get in a man's way. The owners of their business had their rights clearly violated to accomodate the rights of others which should not have occured. So I think the government in Canada is wrong on this one and clearly if I were a citizen in that country I would not want to open a business for fear of the government telling me exactly how to run MY business because what's the point of running a business if the government is just going to stick it's nose where it does no belong nor is welcome. So say we all.
 
Sean Case
I applaud the actions of the Molnars. Unfortunately the closed their business. I was once tolerant of the gay community but I am tired of their parades. I would sit back and be complacent but now I feel as if I am forced to agree to their lifestyle and not just be tolerant. I don't agree with homosexuality and should not have to conform.
 
David Harrison
I hope that one day someone will bankroll an appeal to the Supreme Court of Canada to banish these provincial kangaroo courts, most of whose adjudicators have never read the constitution. The Charter is an accord between the Government and the people, not between individuals and individuals.

People discriminate every day and it is obvious that most of the sentiments expressed above are those from individuals with a bigoted attitude towards the Molinar's Christian values.

While I agree that people should not discriminate on the basis of ones colour, religion or orientation, one should be able to discriminate on the basis of one's lifestyle/actions in a private residence, e.g. two men or an unmarried couple sleeping together in my bedroom.
 
Joseph Dirsa
I I have only have to say that people seem to get very tied up into their religions, which is a great thing...Unfortunately they lose sight of God...If you want to go with the King James version of the Bible it says it’s a sin...it is a sin equal to any others in fact in the Bible the same chapter it says that a woman’s monthly is a sin, and that men shaving is a sin, we do not punish others for that..It also does not ask or tell us our job is to punish people for their sins...and we often act as if we know better than our God. for those that believe in heaven you will one day have to face your maker and explain when God asks you why you did many things (don’t get me going on money hoarders that are starving and letting people die rather than reinvest in their country that made them wealthy, I wish them the most luck) you’re going to face God and say what??...others said it was ok?? Or perhaps say…but God, I thought you forgot to mention that I needed to selectively punish sins....We all need to focus on God, Karma, or positive energy or whatever your belief is and being the best person you can be,...you can’t trick your way into heaven...God is all knowing, therefore and God is going to know ... When are you going to change is the only real question, and only you and God know the answer, it’s none of my business…..
 
 
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