I looked at the second of these two videos and cannot figure out what it's about.
Rod Smelser

What about the agent provacateurs? If ploice incite a riot does that make them terrorists as well?

Jebus deploying the word "terrorist" to describe these people that vandalized - VANDALIZED -hurt no one - is just inflammatory and idiotic - not to mention dangerous to protesters in general.

Bill Blair makes Jamie Graham seem sage in comparison.

Weren't the police the terrorists? All that intimidation, physical violence...

Rob. Educate yourself about agent provocateurs and their role in attempting to subvert many of Canada's progressive movements.

start here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur

and check this out:

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2007/08/22/ot-police-070822.html

and this:

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A couple people lighting fires and smashing windows is awful yes, but it pales in comparison to the sexual and psychological abuse that I have heard prisoners go through. We cannot, as Canadians, let the police officers get away with this- we need to send letters to the federal government demanding an inquiry.

Terrorists employ violence, or threats of violence, to try to effect political change. Like the Canadian government in Afghanistan, or the US government in Iraq. The anarchists in Toronto are political demonstrators using civil disobedience (politically targeted graffiti and vandalism) to try to draw attention to their political concerns. That is legitimate political engagement - the opposite of terrorism. Those who can't, or pretend they can't, tell the difference between the state violence involving wars of aggression and war crimes to effect regime change, and non-violent civil disobedience, are either obtuse or being deliberately manipulative.

When the Toronto police attacked the peaceful demonstrators this weekend, wrongfully arrested them, then abused them while they were in custody using techniques developed by the CIA to soften prisoners for interrogation, they were employing violence and threats of violence to inhibit the participation of Canadian citizens in the lawful political process. This is terrorism. The police, and all others who developed and authorized their conduct this weekend, are in fact terrorists.

According to my analysis, the anarchists are protestors, albeit possibly misguided, of whom no informed Canadian is afraid. But most informed Canadians are legitimately afraid of the vicious and brutal Canadian police force who seem to be in the habit of deliberately violating the law and assaulting law abiding Canadian citizens to strike fear into the hearts of the populace.

Nice bunch of guys & gals those non-uniformed security agents. With the Conservatives in power, there is only one next step, start making people disappear.

If we are not willing to stand up for this past weekend's protesters and we let the Harper Gov't get away with these types of abusive gov't actions, then we can only expect more of these same tactics. The shutting down of peaceful protests and free speech by the Conservative Party of Canada's Steven Harper is nothing short of facisim ''light". Next time will we be suprised if they use real guns.

At 0:45 of the first video you can clearly see two cops dressed in full Black Bloc attire scamper behind the police lines

===>>> attn. Rob

Rob. Educate yourself about agent provocateurs and their role in attempting to subvert many of Canada's progressive movements.
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My name is Rod, not Rob.

I have seen the reports about the Quebec City undercover police before, and later officials of the Surete admitted they had undercover people in the crowd. One of them was holding a rock and Dave Coles of the CEP told him repeatedly to put it down, etc. I had seen that tape years ago.

I don't know of any films showing these three actually doing anything, like torching a squad car or smashing a store front window. The only film shows them sheepishly trying to be inconspicuous as Coles loudly exposes them.

Since you're something of an expert on all this, maybe you can answer a question I have. Who, or what, is the "black bloc"? Are they all undercover agents paid by the government? If not, who pays their travel and accommodation expenses as they go from city to city and from event to event? Do the members of the bloc have day jobs?

Rod Smelser