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City staff recommend $2 million to design Burrard Bridge rehabilitation, which will include permanent cycling barriers

This temporary concrete slab could be history if council votes to spend $2 million on designing a Burrard Bridge rehabilitation that will include permanent barriers.

Charlie Smith
By Charlie Smith,

Vancouver council will soon decide whether to support city manager Penny Ballem's recommendation to spend $2 million on designing a rehabilitation of the Burrard Bridge. Part of the plan will include permanent cycling barriers.

A report by assistant city engineer Jerry Dobrovolny goes to council's planning and environment committee on Thursday (July 8).

"Permanently installed barriers could consume less road space and be more aesthetically compatible with the bridge than the existing pre-cast concrete barriers," Dobrovolny wrote in the report.

He noted that the existing bike lane on the west side of the bridge could be widened.

Dobrovolny also wrote that the east sidewalk, which is used by northbound cyclists, provides "insufficient width" for passing over much of the bridge because the precast barriers have reduced the amount of space.

"Reconstruction in a permanent form may provide an opportunity to address this weakness," he added.

The money to pay for the design work would come from two sources. The "2010 closeout" of the 2006-2008 capital plan would provide $800,000, and the remaining $1.2 million has already been preapproved for cycling improvements in 2011.

The bridge is nearly 80 years old and there have been reports of chunks falling off the structure.

"This report seeks Council's approval to retain consultants to complete the design of permanent separated cycling paths on the Burrard Bridge in coordination with needed rehabilitation of the bridge," Dobrovolny wrote.

According to the report, this rehabilitation will include the complete replacement of the parapet railing, expansion joint replacements, deck testing and delamination survey, sidewalk testing, and sidewalk overlay design.

In addition, reconstruction will include restoration of concrete on the underside, localized bridge strengthening, electrical upgrades, and improvements to accessing the underside of the bridge.

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Comments

disappointed in Vancouver
The caliber of engineering talent at the COV is disappointing to say the least. Most engineers tend to be low quality civil engineers whose lack of vision has hindered this city.

What value do the engineers at the COV provide if they have to sub-contract engineering services, then sit back and collect their very generous paychecks to "supervise the work"? I'm very disappointed at the type of people who we employ as engineers. They seem to lack any backbone and are easily manipulated by politics.

The correct solution is to spend the $63 million for a dedicated bridge rather than to waste another $2 million on a makeshift upgrade reducing bridge capacity and increasing GHG emissions. We have plenty of elected politicians at the COV and don't need our engineers pandering to them for brownie points.
 
Birdy
So... $2,000,000 to remove concrete barriers and then put "prettier" concrete barriers back in the same spot...

I'm running out of jokes, time to get these lunatics out of city hall.
 
Sorry
The answer is no.
 
why?
Few people use the bike lanes so why would the city waste more money on permanent lanes? Admit it was foolish, dismantle the barriers, and get the traffic moving again by September.
 
Darren T
I find it hard to believe that there isn't some project in the city worthier of $2 million in capital spending than making the bike lane barriers look nicer.
 
dhcongrave
This is $2,000,000 to design new barriers and then, how much will the new barriers cost. Where is austerity? The existing barriers are too wide and make the cycle lane too narrow for passing...boo hoo. Wait until you get to the end of the bridge to pass. How about a tricycle lane for those who fall over a lot? Maybe a dog walking lane? Does the city have so much money that it can keep paying for every little whim? Is the population so spoiled that they ask for everything that occurs to them? There will eventually be a taxpayers revolt and a serious move to Libertarian policies (see Colorado Springs in the US)
Dave
 
NDB
I cross hat bridge daily and never see more then a single rider if any. Such as waste. IMO money should be spent to add an extra lane, and the cost should be added on as a tax for new bike purchases.

 
pippatch
The COV comes up with another loonie idea. First they want to dismantle the viaducts which are used all the time, then they want to pretty up a little-used bike lane. Can't wait to hear about the next idea that makes all the other municipalities in the lower mainland chuckle.
 
Taxpayer
A very misleading article. The $2 million is also for design work on the rehabilitation of the bridge which needs to be done before it falls apart.
 
Greener than Green
I live in Point Grey and it takes me about 20 minutes to drive downtown. According to the report by the City of Vancouver in the link (dated July 8th or five days in the future by the way), the bike lane has increased my commute home by three minute.

This has increased my travel time by 15%, and as a result, my GHG emissions have increased by 15%, too. Does anyone at the City of Vancouver know what he or she is talking about when he or she spouts off about how the bike lane is making Vancouver Green?
 
ok
Here is an idea...lets all stop driving! Imaging the loss of tax revenue form gas. Anyone else smell hypocrites?


My BMW is more efficient then most cars..shouldnt the city pay me to own one?
 
Alexwarrior
The $2M covers a number of detailed designs, not just the bike lane barriers. It's also for rehabilitation of age-related problems. The report is available: http://vancouver.ca/ctyclerk/cclerk/20100708/documents/penv2.pdf
 
Safety First
Several thousand people cycle over the bridge everyday. The lane reallocation saved taxpayers $30 million dollars it would have cost to widen the sidewalks.

Improving cycling safety also benefits drivers. Remember, when there is a crash, traffic can be backed up for hours.
 
Birdy
Gee, I wonder if they want to cement the bike lane in so that when the NPA wins a LANDSLIDE VICTORY in the next election they won't be able to remove it. Hmmm....

Enjoy the fascist undemocratic implementation of bicycle paraphernalia for a tiny vocal minority at the cost of the majority (and the environment) while you can lefties, because it sure as hell won't last forever.
 
TeaKay
$2M not just for cycling

The article title is very misleading, and some commenters here seem to have just gone by the title instead of reading the whole article. Near the bottom of the article it points out that the $2M includes non-cycling upgrades such as, "complete replacement of the parapet railing, expansion joint replacements, deck testing and delamination survey, sidewalk testing, and sidewalk overlay design."
 
Feet First
It is time that the city reallocate a lane of traffic on the east side so pedestrians can use the sidewalk again. That way, drivers, cyclists and pedestrians will have safe and easy access to the bridge. The trial has proved that 3 lanes of traffic are not needed.
 
Camera Ken
Shoddy journalism. And yet another anti-cyclist print event.

It really is a good idea to spend money on cycling infrastructure, since only 0.5% of Vancouver's pavement is exclusively for cyclists, yet cyclists account for 4% of travel trips. It's time that all Vancouver taxpayers get a decent return on the taxes they pay.
 
LOL
The damn barriers should have never been put up in the first place. All that cost to make a handful of cycletards (including the head tard Chandra) feel safer?

And now they want to use our hard earned money on making the joke look prettier.

Screw this. Tax revolt.
 
donold
easy to debunk the claim of thousands of cyclists using the Burrard bridge bike lane. check the kat cam for the bridge and see how few bikers there are 90% of the day. http://www.katkam.ca/
 
taxpayer2
TeaKay and Taxpayer, we can read but the point is that ANY money spent to make this folly permanent is too much.
 
Bill McCreery
Is the $2M coming from the $25M already approved or is this more from the austerity close Bloedel & Farmyard City?

Not sure why, if they are intent on making this permanent, they don't cut the west bike lane in half & add an east side lane. You don't need 12' to pass on a bike & maybe bikers might just have to be patient just like drivers when traffic backs up. But, then that will cost $3M to $4M, where will those $s come from?

How much is the premature failure repair caused by the concentrated weight of the concrete barriers to the underside of the bridge costing? And, I suspect this spalling will not stop quite so neatly just by removing the weight. That's not the way structures work.
 
Morty
"Greener than Green" [sic] wrote: "This has increased my travel time by 15%, and as a result, my GHG emissions have increased by 15%, too."

And everyone who's taken advantage of the dedicated lane and chosen to ride rather than drive has reduced their emissions by 100%. Is there a reason you can't do the same, oh great Greener than Green (which must be really, really green despite driving downtown from Point Grey every day)?
 
sure TeaKay, whatever
@TK, it is a common City of Vancouver Engineering Department trick to cloud the major controversial cost by including trivial costs to make it seem like a whole bunch of work is being done. I would venture to guess that 99% of the $2 million is directly or indirectly attributable to the cost of the permanent bike lane. I've had the displeasure of working with the GVRD and COV in the past and know all their tricks.
 
A Wise Investment
@Bill McCreery

You could actually do some research before posting so you would know what you are talking about. Capital plan funding of around $30 million has been approved in previous capital plans put forward by previous NPA councils for Burrard Bridge Rehabilitation and Cycling and Pedestrian Upgrades.

As you should know, this capital funding can't be used for operational expenses such as the "Bloedel & Farmyard". The rehabilitation has been delayed for years by NPA indecision. It is great that Vision has shown real leadership and is proceeding with badly needed maintenance and cycling safety improvements on the bridge. Or would you rather the bridge fall apart. That would be bad for motorists, cyclists, pedestrians and maybe even an unlucky sailor or two.

Also note that 20% of Vancouver residents cycled over Burrard Bridge in the month after the trial started and I have noticed far more children cycling over the bridge. Around 50% of Vancouver residents cycle at least once a year.

All and all, this seems like a wise investment.
 
thebland
they should put up a toll booth for cyclists to pay for this. Cycling is a choice is it not?
 
adibese
Schools closing across the province, school year shortened, layoffs in education and healthcare... and we spend 2 million on a few bicyclists on top of the million already spent. Nice priorities Vancouver.
 
Brandon
Tax dollars well spent. Every time we get someone else to switch over to bicycle it means that person will have more disposable income to spread around the community. They will be able to make more small purchases rather then all of their money being sucked up by a car.
 
Greener than Green
@Morty, I actually cycle to work across the Burrard Street bridge on most days, ~5,000 km/yr. Unfortunately, the added travel time to the vast number of motorists isn't offset by the miniscule number or cyclists. Either do something right or don't do anything at all. It is stupid to take one lane away from motorists.

Build a darn cycling bridge: it isn't that hard or expensive. Tax TransLink for ruining our lungs with its stinking soot blowing diesel buses to pay for the cycling bridge.
 
Cost Effective
@adibese

The problem is that the provincial government, who is responsible for health care and schools is wasting billions of dollars on highway and bridge expansion for cars.

Improving bicycle facilities reduces health car costs by helping people stay fit, reducing crashes and injuries and reducing pollution. Cities all around the world are investing in cycling. Portland, for example, is planning on spending $600 million over 20 years.
 
Charlie Smith
Thanks for the comments. I adjusted this web-only article to mention the design of the entire bridge higher in the piece, in the headline, and in the photo caption to address concerns that this piece was misleading.

Charlie Smith
 
Richard C
Thanks Charlie
 
sceptic
A Wise Investment claims that "20% of Vancouver residents cycled over Burrard Bridge in the month after the trial started". Shouldn't that be "2% of residents cycled 10 times over the bridge"?
Check out the bridge some day. There are very few cyclists.
 
Chris Van Ihinger
We are both pleased and relieved to learn that the Burrard Bridge Bike Lanes are now permanent. The ride into downtown is so much safer that we no longer feel it is necessary to take the car, even in inclement weather. (Note to Greener than Green: my cycle time from Point Grey is a couple of minutes faster than a car trip to the same destination.)

Motor vehicle drivers must also feel more comfortable knowing that they no longer have to give way to cyclists in the motor lanes.

The $2 million for this work quoted in the news article seems high for simply upgrading the Jersey barriers with something more aesthetic. We wonder if part of the $2m quoted also covers the repairs to the parapets and underside of the bridge. Otherwise, maybe best to keep the existing barriers until such time as the northbound cycle lane gets moved onto the asphalt, freeing up the east sidewalk for increased pedestrian use.
 
adibese
@cost effective

The majority of people driving downtown come from out of town. Many come from places that are virtually inaccessible by transit services. Bicycles are only viable for short range commutes. There's a reason society moved away from horses and bicycles as transit solutions.

 
Chris Wong
The mayor's own, too eager to be green agenda... too self serving?

What next? An old age home for chickens?

Chickens can spread viruses... I bet my house that the city does not have a disaster and contingency plan when we do have a health crisis spread and started through raising chickens before they allowed it.

We are not world class ... not even close ... look at Tokyo, Taipei, etc.. now that's world class... everything is efficient (transit, logical processes, etc.) and people there have common sense ... just travel there and you'll find the same.
 
Cost Effective
@ adibese

That is simply not true. The majority of people using the bridge live in Vancouver. According to Statscan, 50% of Vancouver residents commute 5km or less to work, a distance that is an easy bike ride. Again, according to Statscan, around 10% of people in Kits and Point Grey commuted by bike in 2006. With the improvements to the bridge, this percentage has likely increased.

For people in Richmond and Delta, there is a brand new $2 billion rapid transit line that many of them are already using. In fact, traffic on all the False Creek Bridges is down since the Canada Line opened.
 
More Transit
@Chris Wong

As far as transit goes, the provincial government is not providing the needed funding for expansion and instead wasting billions on roads and bridges. You might want to get after the premier on this one.
 
Greener than Green
@More Transit, if you are talking about more trolley buses or other electrically powered transit, I'm with you on that. If you are talking about more diesel buses, I am certainly not with you on that and we are better off with people driving for the following reasons:

Diesel buses are loud and disruptive to the community, cars aren't.
Diesel buses emit toxic emission levels to foul ambient air, cars don't to any extent.
Transit is welfare; transit users only pay 30% of their fare, drivers pay 100% of their costs and subsidize transit users on top of that.

Cars aren't the problem in this city, TransLink is for its obscene use of diesel buses. If transit users weren't so lazy, maybe more would cycle.

The cycling lobby including Chris Van Ihinger and Richard C. is strong and powerful, flaming all comments which oppose the stupid makeshift bike lane across Burrard Bridge. What are the little kids to do when the they cross the Burrard Bridge to face the Mickey Mouse bike lanes separating cars with a painted lines on the roads? Again, do it right of don't do anything at all.

Finally, if the COV doesn't have the money to build proper bike lanes, wait until it does. Obviously, the COV has plenty of employees with plenty of time to kill to flame non-flattering comments on the stupidity of the Burrard Bridge bike lane, too.
 
More Transit
@Greener than Green

Regarding transit, I'm a big fan of electric trains and buses.

Yes, we need separated lanes everywhere for children and everyone else for that matter. The City is planning separated bike lanes on Burrard or Hornby Street downtown to connect the Bridge to the Seaside Path. Never hurts to send them an email encouraging them to do more separated lanes faster.
 
GAY
thousands of riders using it daily? dishonesty is a disservice to your credibility.

It was posted above and deserves reposting (thanks to the OP):

Watch the level of ridership in real time: http://www.katkam.ca/

How many riders do you see?

 
the count
@GAY

So what. katkam only takes pictures of a small portion of the bridge every five minutes. On many of the pictures there are not any cars either yet there are 50,000 going over the bridge everyday. Go out and count the cyclists to see for yourself. There were certainly lots during rush hour today.

Here is a link to the counts: http://vancouver.ca/projects/burrard/statistics.htm
and a spreadsheet with the daily counts: http://vancouver.ca/projects/burrard/documents/stats_burrard_bridge_2009...


 
RodSmelser
===>>> Cost Effective

The problem is that the provincial government, who is responsible for health care and schools is wasting billions of dollars on highway and bridge expansion for cars.
==============================

Nonsense.
Rod Smelser
 
RodSmelser
===>>> More Transit

As far as transit goes, the provincial government is not providing the needed funding for expansion and instead wasting billions on roads and bridges.
===========================

No.

Rod Smelser
 
More Transit
Yes.
 
TBrown
For everyone complaining about how little the bridge is used by cyclist, change has to start somewhere. If you don't feel the need to support these initiatives....don't. That's what is great about Canada, voice your opinions next time you vote.
 
welldoneson
"rehabilitation"? Wow. That's just too much.
A load of hard left dingbats get into council, next thing you know half the infrastructure is reserved for people who only bother using it for a few weeks a year. The vast majority who complain?
Why, they're just the unwashed taxpayers... what do they know?
 
 
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