Keeping Stanley Park over Xwayxway was an opportunity lost

Coast Salish artist Susan Point's People Amongst the People in Stanley Park.

Stephen Hui

Once every so often an idea comes along that begs to be embraced with open-minded courage, even if initially it doesn’t seem feasible. People young and old, rich and poor, and of modest and mega means are given the chance to back the idea, which seems poised to set off a positive chain of events.

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Chiefs raise alarm about First Nations languages in B.C.

Usually these ideas swim against the tide of mainstream public opinion. They may even instil fear in those afraid of change. But courageous folks bring them forward all the same, often with the greater good of humanity in mind.

One such moment of clear light shone through the day Squamish elder and carver Robert Yelton suggested that Stanley Park be known as Xwayxway. On June 30, Yelton was not blowing smoke (or smoking something funny) when he said this. At the opening of the Klahowya Village exhibit and the Spirit Catcher Train in Stanley Park, he let it be known that the name Xwayxway is a reference to a First Nations village that was located where present-day Lumberman’s Arch can be found today. Yelton’s mother was born there.

Chief Ian Campbell, who understands how imperiled First Nations language and culture is among his 3,700-person-strong Squamish Nation and beyond, took the proposal a step further and tried to get the change formalized. For a moment, this opened a small window of opportunity to give something meaningful back to the people who, since colonization, have lost so many of their cultural reference points.

It didn’t happen; the impulses of our good-defence-is-a-good-offence society kicked in, and media reports citing righteous and moral indignation began piling up.

Fear is contagious, unfortunately. Yelton and Campbell’s proposal was deserving of far more than the dismissive flicking of the nose it was given. Subsequent generations may not view this kindly.

On July 5, the Stephen Harper government sent out Canadian Heritage Minister James Moore and Treasury Board President Stockwell Day to deliver the news that the Stanley Park’s name will not be changed. Nor will the park get a second official name, as some had suggested.

Hopefully, the next time the door opens to an opportunity like this we won’t slam it shut again.

Comments

ryan s
wow - shut up. no one will even care about this in 2 months, it's fairly greedy of these first nations to demand something be changed that everyone who lives here NOW is used to and grew up with...if they had any decency they would request a small portion of the park be re-named which i am sure EVERYONE would be happy with.
 
cbjerrisgaard
I couldn't agree with you less. I have no problem with native culture getting its due respect. I think the Olympics were a good step in the right direction, along with the signs on the sea to sky. That said, Stanley Park is possibly our most well known landmark and one of the most famous parks in the world. In trying to become a world class city, if Vancouver rebranded its identity in such a drastic way it would cripple the momentum it has in that quest. I know that sounds extreme but imagine changing the name of Central Park to something borderline un-pronounceable by pretty much every tourist who visits it. Wouldn't you consider that a little off the wall?
 
PoliticsReSpun.org
"Shut up"? Really, Ryan S?

I think we should just use the second name all by ourselves.

http://politicsrespun.org/2010/07/an-informal-name-change-for-stanley-park/

Some have argued it would hurt our tourism because "Stanley Park" is so famous, but why would BC's tourism minister and Tourism Vancouver endorse the idea then? "There is nothing to lose by doing this and much to be gained."

http://www.vancouversun.com/travel/Tourism+Vancouver+likes+Xwayxway+name...
stephen elliott-buckley
http://PoliticsReSpun.org
 
Vancouverite
I don't agree at all. Think of the logistics of changing a name as iconic as Stanley Park. Pamphlets, websites, tour books etc are just the beginning. Then there is the fact that SP has a global reputation and got strong exposure during the Olympics. It has its own history under its present name.

And then there's the case of Science World. Changing its name really took off!
 
Yvonne B
It is great to recognize First Nations languages and culture - however, I believe the Musqueam First Nation also has land claims on Stanley Park. Shouldn't all parties involved be consulted?
 
Disagree
I feel the absolute opposite has happened. An opportunity came along to keep the name which the majority of Vancouver residents (90+% according to a globe and mail poll) wanted. Its always a win to see the government listen to the will of the people in my opinion.
 
David L.
I still dont agree to changing the name from Stanley Park to anything else and frankly I am tired of hearing how the native peoples have "lost so many of their cultural reference points".
Stop whimpering and get on with it !
 
Jamie Collins
Matthew,

You have it wrong, it was not an opportunity so much as a detrimental attack on the creation of Stanley Park. Stanley Park was protected from development, and put under the control by Lord Stanley of Preston. It was open for anyone of any race, religion, or tradition. Choosing to rename a park based on the wishes of one ethnicity just spits in the face of equality, if you give it a second name in Native then you must give it a third name in Chinese, fourth in Hindu, etc.

An opportunity where everyone is represented equally is a shining beacon of hope, an opportunity to elevate a single minority is a shining beacon of resentment and hatred.
 
Jamesema
The whole park was never called Xwayxway - just the part around Lumbermans Arch which used to be a native village by that name. I am ok with that part of the park being renamed. but the whole of the park should be Stanley Park - it has never been anything else.
 
beelzebub
"Usually these ideas swim against the tide of mainstream public opinion."

No, really? Its why majority rules in a democracy. Deal with it.

"Some have argued it would hurt our tourism because "Stanley Park" is so famous, but why would BC's tourism minister and Tourism Vancouver endorse the idea then?"

Its called political pandering and PC gone amok.
 
j
is this article a joke ? lol. the name is Stanley Park, if you think they are gonna change it, you are smoking some serious black tar heroin
 
RF
There are far more important things to get kind of misty-eyed-outraged over nowadays. Maybe they can give this another shot in about fifty years, but then again, by then it will probably be called Scotiabank Park or something.
 
Coyote1
I don't disagree with your sentiment, Matthew. I would, however, suggest that the opportunity lost was not in renaming the entirety of Stanley Park to Xwayxway but when the Squamish themselves consented to a portion of the park being branded as Klahowya village - a generic, Chinook word. Rather than putting their weight behind that venture, the first nation could have instead lobbied to have Lumberman's Arch named after their old village site. But no, they cashed in their capital when they went with the tourism thing. Either that or the Xwayxway suggestion was an afterthought, hence it was summarily dismissed as quickly as it had emerged.
 
Peter Pan
Stanley Park Resort & Casino
 
R U Kiddingme
I saw not one shred of evidence that the park or any part thereof was known as Xwayxway to anyone. We have an assertion, which is interesting and worth considering, but that is not the same as evidence. So there's that.

The other problem is, so what? What is the business case for changing it? How will it be better with a new name? So there's that as well.
 
Janie Jones
Given that:

"Prior to the mid 1960s there was no written system for the Squamish language since the language and culture of the Squamish people is grounded in an oral tradition. A prominent elder, Louis Miranda, felt strongly that the language was in peril and worked with linguists from several institutions to develop a written system. This system has since been adopted as the official written language of the Squamish Nation."
From the "Fun Facts" page of the Squamish Lil'wat Cultural Centre:
http://www.slcc.ca/groups/travel-trade/faqs-and-fun-facts

The unpronounceable road signs along Highway 99 are a ludicrous pandering to a pampered minority.


 
wreimer
or it will all be under water and it will be a moot point.
 
bacedas@yahoo.com
Matthew:

You are seriously deluded to think that renaming Stanley Park had anything to do with addressing the injustices and inequities against the First Nations, The First Nations have so many cultural problems (like sniffing gasoline, alcohol abuse and poor education) than seizing the name of one of North America's best know city parks. If they were smart about public relations, they would leave it alone and focus on more pressing First Nation issues.

Instead, they have antagonized the rest of Canada - not only white Canadians but all the others, and built up an image that the First Nations people are only another vested interest group. The enmity is so great that the rest of Canada will push back against any other First Nations proposals and call it yet another First Nations scam for more money.
 
Todd Wong
We have already renamed the Georgia Strait basin into "The Salish Sea".

"Haida Gwaii" is referred to more popularly than "The Queen Charlotte Islands".

GM Place got re-named last week. There are no sacred cow... even for the Stanley Cup-less Canucks, who seem to keep changing their uniforms every 7 years.

Remember that "Second Narrows Bridge" was re-named "Iron Workers Memorial Bridge".

"Deadman Island" in Stanley Park was originally known by its indigenous Squamish name of "skwtsa7s" before the official designation of "Deadman Island" by the Geographical Names Board of Canada in 1937.

Lyrics for O Canada have been altered more than a few times. Commissioned in 1880, translated to English in 1906, before Robert Weir wrote his own English version in 1908. Lyric changes then occured in 1914 and 1926, and the present version in 1980.

History revisionism will prevail as it always does... in step with the changing times. Some people will like the changes, others will not - as Matthew so predictably points out. But there is nothing wrong with adding aboriginal names to the present maps. Some will catch on, and some will not. The most important thing is that discussion is being made. The worst part is seeing all the racist comments.

If this was Hawaii - we would all be overflowing with ALOHA SPIRIT... and part of the same OHANA (family), and embracing Hawaiian history, language and culture. But we are Canadians and we do things in a distinct Canadian fashion.

How do we define Canada? As a country where immigrants have come from all over the world... to assert their racial and ethnic majority and colonial attitudes? Or is it.... OUR HOME AND NATIVE LAND?
www.gunghaggisfatchoy.com
 
Bob Calgary
Did the first nations preserve the culture of the peoples they displaced some few thousand years ago?
 
Beth
Okay, I don't care what name the park is. Just don't chop it all down and build condos is all I ask. My main concern is that after renaming the park, the powers-that-be wold also change the name of hockey's greatest trophy to " Xwayxway Cup" and that would be the same year the Canucks would finally win it. Meaning they STILL had never won a Stanley Cup. Damn!
Beth
 
Todd Wong
No Beth... nobody's asking to rename the Stanley Cup.
Except that during the NHL lockout, Gov. General Adrienne Clarkson suggested that it be given to the top female amateur team... which is what Lord Stanley's original intention for his little silver cup was . Oops... did Lord Stanley's intentions get "revised" by the NHL???

Matthew's point of a missed opportunity is probably premature... It takes time for new names to catch on. It takes education and culture shifts for Vancouverites to understand many of Vancouver's place names are originally of Squamish origin:

1) Jericho Beach is named after First Nations man Jericho Charlie... he was named Jericho because the local priest was picking names from the bible.

2) Kitsilano is named after Squamish chief August Jack Khahtsahlano... although it is more reccently also spelled "Khatsalano - google it and see how many ways the name is contemporarily being utilized.

3) Did you know that when the Canadian Navy declared the Stanley Park area as a naval reserve it was originally to use the tall trees as masts for their sailing vessels and as a strategic point in case of attack from the USA.

There were several First Nations villages and settlements in the "Stanley Park" area - but they were rounded up and moved off the land... not dissimilar to American businessmen barricading the Hawaiian Royal Family into Iolani Palace, then declaring Hawaii then to be a US territory, in 1893, overthrowing the monarchy.

www.gunghaggisfatchoy.com
 
dave north
They should call Stan Lee Poc something Chinese now, since they're importing rocks from China to fix the seawall. Talk about coals to Newcastle! Unemployed BC stonemasons to the streets! Somebody in our corrupt government is obviously getting their toast buttered!
 
Hu Gadarn
This proposed name change is another example of a recurring rant by a vocal minority in BC; i.e. the idea that we can promote equality by dragging us all down to a common low level.

In this case taking something that works ("Stanley Park") and making it unworkable ("Xz7xh...?").
 
Krystle
Wow, I never knew so many racists commented on the Georgia strait's site!

Hate to burst your little bubble guys, but we "British Columbians" live on unceded Native land.

If we want to fight against the so-called "cultural problems" (I'd argue they're societal problems in general) that many First Nations people have, we need to discuss things - not close the door in their faces.
Renaming Stanley park, or a portion of stanley park, or the land on which the park is.... would be something to make people proud.
Proud that they are getting the recognition they deserve.
Pride may also combat those "cultural problems" which makes many first nations people self-medicate or become race-blind, the people who have been hurt by our society.

I'd much rather have the park named after a GROUP OF PEOPLE who have historically lived in the park (but, during this time all of Vancouver was a "park") for centuries rather than ONE old, fuddy-duddy white dude who probably hasn't slept in the park one night...

 
glen p robbins
Although an admirable defense for aboriginals - Mr. Burrows does not seem totally confident in the venture --

"One such moment of clear light shone through the day Squamish elder and carver Robert Yelton suggested that Stanley Park be known as Xwayxway. On June 30, Yelton was not blowing smoke (or smoking something funny) when he said this."

Although deprecation - may from time to time spice up an article - even a debate position - it doesn't here.

Imagine talking to regular people - in the midst of Campbell/HST hatin' and then asking them to change Stanley Park to X and O's -- whether it is right or fair -- imagine what regular people think.

Sadly, the average person doesn't care --. Often people from low income--get more angry at aboriginal claims--as a single mother if she believes this is important and listen to the feedback -- it will freeze you from ever making assumptions on who supports these issues---ever again.

Constipated reporters and journalists will ask (when the timing suits them) -- shouldn't leaders -- lead on issues(and not pay attention to public opinion)--no they shouldn't - because eventually the slope gets slippery and you get Gordon Campbell -- leading as he pleases--------

The aboriginal land claim issue -- has been the Lexus in perpetuity for lawyers and government bureaucracies -- courts -- not the rest of us.

Ottawa has reduced BC to a sub province -- based on this issue alone--let alone every other minority group -- that lies on its back.

If you are a single mother---with $40 to last a week for groceries do you give a shit? If you are a tax payer -- do you accept to 1 billion in wasted legal fees -- for aboriginal claims that return NOTHING.

Sorry - I worry about aboriginal moms and their kids - but the rest of this is not interesting. Having said that - a totem poll featuring Gordon Campbell with an arrow going through his head -- might lighten me up a little.
 
Matthew Burrows
glen p robbins:

I can assure you I wasn't constipated (or smoking something funny) when I wrote the article.

Matt Burrows
 
glen p robbins
Matt - Nowhere - did I suggest that YOU were constipated (or smoking something funny) when YOU wrote the article.

You introduced the aboriginal chief in your article -- where YOU explained the 'chief' wasn't smoking pot -- the inference being that he wasn't kidding - he was serious -- (that others might not have thought he is -- serious).

To be fair -- I wasn't constipated or smoking something funny - when I blogged on this stream--.
 
Megan
Forget about Stanley Park, why don't we all change our names!!
 
Foxxe
@Disagree. I should warn you, that the Globe and Mail never has the complete Canadian picture in mind. In fact they are still in denial that there is a Canada outside of the "Torontonian Empire"
As for the government listening to the will of the people, don't hold your breath, BC Liberals have NEVER been know to listen to sanity nor the public opinion.
 
beelzebub
If you think that changing a few names is going to restore the "pride" of an entire group of people, you need to re-examine your thought processes. It has more than one definition and is not something you can buy, sell, trade or demand. It begins with personal accomplishments to better ones self, help others, and translates into dignity and self respect.

Racist comments? Like what? Using expressions like "old, fuddy-duddy white dude".

To know a man, observe how he wins his object, rather than how he loses it; for when we fail our pride supports us; when we succeed, it betrays us.
Charles Caleb Colton (1780 - 1832)
 
beelzebub
And getting back to language, Krystle, I note that the Squamish people are well away on the way to saving their language. You may wish to check it out at point number 9 on the following site:
http://www.slcc.ca/groups/travel-trade/faqs-and-fun-facts

It may be of assistance to you if you try and save yours.
 
Max
Harper should note the name will not be changed to Stanley Park from Xwayxway but he can call it what he wants. As can every other visitor.
 
glen p robbins
I have noticed recently that voters who have been staunch BC Liberal supporters------and who are also much less than enthusiastic about aboriginal treaties-name changes - and 'such', AND who didn't hop on the Vander Zalm HST train ----------- are NOW going off the rails blaming CAMPBELL for ALL aboriginal claims in the province. This name change to Xwayxway---proposal -- and the Salish Sea name change ------ make this stream of anti - treaty types -- just nuts--and they blame it all on Campbell--all of it. (Surprised me a little actually).

Clearly, blaming Campbell for this. It suggests to me -- this is one of the rationales residual BC Liberal supporters and NDP haters -- are using to explain why they NOW dislike Campbell so much---and are waiting--to see if Campbell --GOES - before ALSO 'blaming' the rest of the party--for its perceived part in these 'passionate opinions' unsupportive to aboriginal treaties--particularly considering how potential BC Liberal leadership candidate Mike de Jong is moving into liberal ground -- making merry with lawyer-AG and changes to family law - which should in theory - benefit more women than men (but not always)--------and will make it extremely difficult to connect with the anti-treaty BC Liberals---------federal Conservative types---from areas like Abbotsford, Mission, Chilliwack -- right where Mike de Jong lives-------the heart of his constituency.

It will be interesting to see how this culture of BC Liberal supporters responds to events in the coming weeks.
 
Matty K.
Glen, I'm hearing a lot of people who are just fed up with both the NDP and the Liberals because of aboriginal land claims. Maybe we should take a lesson from other peoples who have been bugged by a certain group claiming they owned the land before them.

Thus we should shout "INTIFADA! INTIFADA!" at the next land claim xD
 
Janis Libby
It was already re-named from a name that was used for way longer than your family has known it a Stanley Park. You don't have to like it anymore than the First People's don't like the changes of forced colonization. It is interesting that the more education people have the more they support the idea of decolonization. Since the oppressors in this country are never leaving the least we can do is to be respectful and honour the land we stole! These simple acts can go along way towards reconciliation.
 
 
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