Michael Ignatieff dragged down by provincial Liberal parties' fortunes

Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff just can't buy a break.

This past week, a QMI Agency poll reported that Canadians think he has a worse personality than Prime Minister Stephen Harper.

Slightly more (41 percent to 40 percent) felt Ignatieff was more condescending.

Only 12 percent thought Ignatieff was in tune with Canadians, compared to 28 percent for Harper.

Nearly a third felt that Harper is "responsible", whereas only 18 percent of respondents used this term to describe the Liberal leader.

Harper was gauged to be slightly more hypocritical and opportunistic, but Ignatieff lagged far behind in determination, bravery, and confidence.

More respondents (45 percent to 41 percent) concluded that Harper is smarter than the Opposition leader.

This isn't Ignatieff's only problem.

He's also cursed by the Liberal brand, which is in a sorry state in two of Canada's three largest provinces.

A Leger Marketing poll in May suggested that the Quebec Liberals, who are reeling with scandals under Jean Charest, would be thrown out of office if an election were held.

In B.C., the Liberals under Gordon Campbell have been pummelled in the opinion polls after introducing a harmonized sales tax with no public consultation.

Things aren't quite as bad for the Liberals in Ontario, where the provincial governing party held a five-point lead over the Conservatives in June, according to an Ipsos poll. This was reported less than two weeks before the introduction of the HST in that province.

Back in 1993 when Jean Chretien was running for prime minister, the NDP was in power in both B.C. and Ontario.

Support for the federal NDP seriously suffered as a result, helping the Liberals take more federal seats and form a majority government.

By the 1997 and 2000 elections, there were no Liberal governments in any of the three largest provinces.

The federal Conservatives were hamstrung in Ontario, thanks to the harsh and sometimes brutal actions of the Mike Harris provincial government.

The NDP's growing unpopularity in B.C. in the late 1990s tarnished its federal counterparts. And the Parti Quebecois was governing Quebec.

Chretien didn't have to wear any of the sins of the three largest provincial governments on the federal campaign trail, and breezed to two more majority governments.

Ignatieff, on the other hand, leads the federal Liberals when provincial Liberal governments are showing signs of age in Quebec, Ontario, and B.C.

Charest and Ontario premier Dalton McGuinty have each ruled since 2003. Campbell was elected in 2001.

Voters are suffering from Gordo fatigue in this province, and the same phenomenon is likely to occur with the Liberal premiers in the two largest provinces.

It would be naive to think that this is not a factor behind the federal Liberals' poor polling results.

Earlier this month, Ipsos had the Liberals running six points behind the Conservatives. Ekos had even worse numbers, putting the Liberals 10.5 points behind as of July 6.

Even though the provincial parties are separate entities from the federal Liberal party, voters don't always make that distinction.

That spells bad news for Ignatieff if a federal election is held before any of these provincial Liberal governments are defeated.

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Comments

Ray I
Ah ha ha ha! Iggy is also actually less charismatic than Harper. And that is says a mouthful! Bring back Dion. Could he be any worse. Hey Iggy, go back to your adopted home country the U-S-A and hang out with similar boring academic types. Canada likes a little personality along with the rhetoric in our leaders.
 
John Barnes
The media has told Canadians what to think about Ignatieff so why is there this big surprise that Canadians think what they have been told. When was the last time you read a positive article about Ignatieff? Harper, no matter what nonsense he gets up to, never has a bad word written about him in the MSM. And no wonder, because the MSM are all owned by Reform/Alliance/Conservative supporters, except of course the Toronto Star. Ignatieff will never get a positive word west of the Ontario/Manitoba border no matter what he does and no matter how bad Harper gets. He should ignore you dopes.
 
Observant
At the start of his summer bus tour, Iggy explained that one of his important objectives was to "reconnect" the Liberal party with Canadians, because there was an apparent disconnect .. and not of his making. Now we see that Iggy himself has not connected with Canadians. He's disconnected from Canadians .. so how can a Liberal leader who is disconnected "reconnect" the Liberal party with Canadians ..???!!!!
 
Island Man
This was Harper's master plan...reduce the GST 2% and be a hero, bribe the provinces to harmonize with the HST and sit back and watch as the provincial Liberals and Iggy take the heat. Harper reaps a windfall in additional GST revenue through the HST as he gets more revenue on items that were previously excluded from the GST.
Harper has pretty much eliminated Liberals in BC and Ont and he used CDN taxpayers money to make it happen.
 
billwjames
It’s really time that the Conservative party search with-in and put forth a true Conservative leader, I mean a real Conservative.
The party has gone as far as it can go with Harper, he appeals only to Christian fundamentalists and fringe groups who combined lack the numbers to give him a majority Government.
This Con. Party is at a junction, to stay statuesque relegates the party to Conservative/Reform/Alliance coalition status and well never achieve true Conservatism unless a leader with true Conservative values is found.
Failure to move forward on the normal evolution of the party well eventually relegate the C/R/A coalition to fringe statues like the Greens and be labelled for what it is, a right-wing Christian Fundamentalist party.
 
vote ndp
the difference between the federal liberals and the federal cons is negligible.

VOTE NDP
 
Chris Ryan
Iggy doesn't need any help dragging himself down. He does it very well all by himself.

Of course the Federal Fiberals can't quite grasp that the taxpayers are sick of them after darn near 40 years in power, destroying our country.

But then, the BC Liberals have shown how liberal they are with our money and how totally out of touch they are with reality and the taxpayers of the province. Their arrogance will cost them dearly!

Unfortunately, here in BC we are stuck with the iNDeePies as an alternative. After their last stint in power, the province was really on the ropes.

The real problem? The "party system". No dog can serve two masters. Either an MP or MLA must toe the party line and usually that means ignoring their constituents.
 
LOL
@ VoteNDP

lol good call. The answer to any failed democracy is a socialist state, otherwise you end up with politicians telling you that you won't go to jail for not completing the census and such.

Put Carole James and Jack Layton into a Lada and send them off to Siberia.
 
antipolitics
You need a magnifying glass to tell the Liberals, Conservatives, NDP + Greens apart. Other than their archaic small minded Quebecois nationalism, the PQ is also no different from the rest. Yet it is true that hell has a special berth awaiting the demise of Iggy, like Harper a throw back to the Bushies, like a Harper an unthinking pawn of Israel, but unlike Harper a man with few beliefs, other than a bland political managerialism, whereby the anointed, i.e. "big brained" academics and powerful corporate figures control government. We plebs should just butt out! (Harper on the other hand is an all out fundamentalist Christian, Zionist, probably awaiting Armageddon once the middle east is aflame, and don't forget, an ardent foe of taxing the wealthy, just the workers).
 
Michel
Is QMI an at-arms-length agency of the Conservative Party? It certainly seems that way.
 
Harry98
In B.C. I would never vote Liberal or NDP. They both screwed up big time. The Conservatives are getting stronger here and they will get my vote next election.
 
Lorenzo
Liberal is Liberal. If you want to be different politically to federally change your name. When the Liberals came into BC politics they used the Liberals name to get into power as well as the federal Liberals used the provincial success to win votes federally. BCers are not going to vote Liberal federally since we cant stand the BC Liberals. If you win by the sword you die by the sword.
The last three elections I voted Liberal federally and provincially and now because of the HST I will never vote Liberals as long as I live.
 
beelzebub
Iggy has no one to blame but himself. Stumble after fumble and then the move to meet the little guy. Voters are not entirely stupid.
 
Bugzy
Harry 98 said,In B.C. I would never vote Liberal or NDP. They both screwed up big time. The Conservatives are getting stronger here and they will get my vote next election

Is that why the 1st vice of the BC Cons resigned because of the feds
Micscha Poppoff Osoyoos and the BC Cons conspiring with the Feds Cons to pass the HST. I think Harry you should be doing a little research into this matter It really is quite simple Mischa Popoff and enter.
 
Scott_G
Why can't he catch a break.
1) he isn't a politician.
2) he is always talking about himself rather than the voter.
3) the Liberal party swept the scandals of the past under the rug.
4) he thinks he knows better than we do rather than seeking what is our way.
5) He hasn't been part of the country or part of the Party for a lifetime then drops in, you just don't do that then want to be boss. He should have started at the bottom, like the rest and earned his way to the top.
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Why hasn't Iggy caught a break?
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1) Cause Harper isn't that bad.
2) because Canadians see through the Liberal media mud slinging.
3) Because Liberals cut transfers and harmed provinces during recessions, cut transfers to health care etc. And Harper has helped us the best ever in a recession, (so really who is the bully? its the Liberals)
4) The Liberals basically let our Millitary rot, our Soldiers were more scared to fly home in the rust buckets than fight in the war. Harper has been systematically repairing our Armed forces.
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Why vote Iggy it makes no sense.
 
seth
Iggy faces the same problem the NDP in BC does. The mainstream media is owned lock stock and barrel by fascist forces, who use Stevey "Brimstone" Harpo and his sidekick the Gordo as front men.

Iggy looks and sounds like Gregor Robertson. He is far more intelligent and educated than Brimstone but gets portrayed by incessant MSM spin just the the way Brimstone tells them to do it.

Here is the real Iggy, Hopefully the MSM fascist spin can be overcome and Iggy shows well

http://www.publiceyeonline.com/archives/005146.html

Stevey "Brimstone" Harper's hatred for his country and his love of facist philosophy he best expresses himself.

“Canada appears content to become a second-tier socialistic country, boasting ever more loudly about its economy and social services to mask its second-rate status.”

Now there's the proud Canadian, with his Mickey Mouse diploma from a second rate ex prairie bible college, put in charge by Big Oil of making sure that we stay the second rate country he calls us.

Because of his wacky fundamentalist church's objection to abortion in China, Brimstone deliberately snubbed that county costing Canada tens of thousands of jobs and billions in sales.

Thomas Frank's book, The Wrecking Crew - How Neocons wreck public service details how Brimstone by rendering public institutions like AECL ineffective can push his corporate agendas.

He's done amazing job on AECL. With 57 nuclear reactors being built around the world, another 140 ordered and a further 150 proposed for 2020, not one reactor is from AECL.

Hundreds of thousands maybe millions of jobs have been lost with over ten thousand dirt cheap clean and green nuclear reactors required worldwide to combat global warming/peak oil all sacrificed to Brimstone's fascist personal philosophy.

Unfortunately it's not Conbots commenting here that lose the jobs.

Hopefully Iggy can slip some facts past the MSM in the next election.
seth
 
does something seem fishy to you?
Where are all the neocon posters suddenly coming from?

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20100523/government-...
 
@Lorenzo
I agree the Federal Liberals = Federal Cons and I vote NDP
 
Margaret
So the Federal Cons are being paid to post online and "correct" comments. How about if they start by "correcting" the misinformation that they've been feeding to Canadians about Ignatieff, and about Parliament? This is just way too Big Brother for Canada.
 
Margaret
I see we have "Observant" on this forum. He's a paid Con - always all over the Globe and Mail articles. It's sickening that they can't leave private citizens alone, have to have their stinking fingers in every news pie in Canada and the US, and even the UK.
 
seth
While there are limits on corporate campaign donations to political parties, there are no limits on corporate donations to churches.

I can't imagine that Big Oil sends less than a few hundred million to the wacky fundamentalist churches that based on their voting record 97% of Stevey "Brimstone" Harpo's MPs belong. Harpo's religious command is HQ'ed in Boulder CO where there are no limits at all on corporate political donations.

You can see Brimstone's religious HQ sending the word down to all the churches in Canada. Come Sunday the preacher man down at the local wacky religious assembly gets up on his hind legs and extorts his sheep to contribute the max to Brimstone's CRAP party (Con/Reform/Alliance) as Big Oil has been so generous to them. Parishioners are enlisted in the cause and given a selection of comments to dump them on a list of news sites.

Conspiracy theory maybe but Brimstone's policies are all Big Oil all the time, he gets almost all his money from the whacks and notice all the comments that come in on Sunday's
seth
 
Bev
If there is a Federal election this fall. The Conservatives and the Federal Liberal party, will get very few votes, out of BC. Campbell works for Harper, the HST isn't called, the Harper Sales Tax for nothing. It's even said, if Campbell falls, Harper will take, Campbell to the east to work for him, as ambassador to Japan or China. It is greed, corruption and oil, that governs this country. Politics are no longer about, what is good for the people, the provinces, nor the country. Greed and corruption, calls the shots. It could matter less, what party is in office, the results would be the same. What P.M. would stomp out all the corruption? Not one, no politician wants to lose their cash cow. Corruption pays very well, just ask Gordon Campbell.
 
greggron
He should write yet another book about himself. Because it's all about Iggy. Libs are entitled to their entitlements...
 
Who is asking the ?'s
I don't give this poll to much credit as what does it really say? Who is smarter? And smarter than what, Canadians?
 
welldoneson
It's amazing how many of you daft wankers think anyone posting in favor of the Tories must be getting paid. Kinda makes it look like it's you dimbulbs who are being paid.

Oh, and kiddies, there is no connection between the BC Liberals and the federal Liberals. Your ignorance knows no bounds does it?
 
Advocate
The difference between the federal Liberals and the NDP is negligible.
 
D. Raymond
Michael Ignatieff walks out just before a vote for a bill that his entire party supports and all opposition parties support. What kind of leader runs a party where 98% of its members vote one way, and 2% of its members vote another way? See Bill C-440 voted on September 29th. What a joke.
 
 
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