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Gwynne Dyer: There's no way for the U.S. to win a non-nuclear war with Iran

By Gwynne Dyer,

When Admiral Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the highest-ranking American officer, was asked recently on NBC’s Meet The Press whether the United States has a military plan for an attack on Iran, he replied simply: “We do.”

General staffs are supposed to plan for even the most unlikely future contingencies. Right down to the 1930s, for example, the United States maintained and annually updated plans for the invasion of Canada—and the Canadian military made plans to preempt the invasion. But what the planning process will have revealed, in this case, is that there is no way for the United States to win a non-nuclear war with Iran.

The U.S. could “win” by dropping hundreds of nuclear weapons on Iran’s military bases, nuclear facilities and industrial centres (i.e. cities) and killing five to 10 million people, but short of that, nothing works. On this we have the word of Richard Clarke, counter-terrorism adviser in the White House under three administrations.

In the early 1990s, Clarke revealed in an interview with the New York Times four years ago, the Clinton administration had seriously considered a bombing campaign against Iran, but the military professionals told them not to do it.

“After a long debate, the highest levels of the military could not forecast a way in which things would end favourably for the United States,” he said. The Pentagon’s planners have war-gamed an attack on Iran several times in the past 15 years, and they just can’t make it come out as a U.S. victory.

It’s not the fear of Iranian nuclear weapons that makes the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff so reluctant to get involved in a war with Iran. Those weapons don't exist, and the whole justification for the war would be to make sure that they never do.

The problem is that there’s nothing the U.S. can do to Iran, short of nuking the place, that would really force Tehran to kneel and beg for mercy. It can bomb Iran’s nuclear sites and military installations to its heart’s content, but everything it destroys can be rebuilt in a few years. And there is no way that the United States could actually invade Iran.

There are some 80 million people in Iran, and although many of them don’t like the present regime they are almost all fervent patriots who would resist a foreign invasion. Iran is a mountainous country, and very big: four times the size of Iraq. The Iranian army currently numbers about 450,000 men, slightly smaller than the U.S. Army—but unlike the U.S. Army, it does not have its troops scattered across literally dozens of countries.

If the White House were to propose anything larger than minor military incursions along Iran’s south coast, senior American generals would resign in protest. Without the option of a land war, the only lever the United States would have on Iranian policy is the threat of yet more bombs—but if they aren’t nuclear, then they aren’t very persuasive. Whereas Iran would have lots of options for bringing pressure on the United States.

Just stopping Iran’s own oil exports would drive the oil price sky-high in a tight market: Iran accounts for around seven percent of internationally traded oil. But it could also block another 40 percent of global oil exports just by sinking tankers coming from Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and the other Arab Gulf states with its lethal Noor anti-ship missiles.

The Noor anti-ship missile is a locally built version of the Chinese YJ-82. It has a 200-km range, enough to cover all the major choke points in the Gulf. It flies at twice the speed of sound just metres above the sea’s surface, and it has a tiny radar profile. Its single-shot kill probability has been put as high as 98 percent.

Iran’s mountainous coastline extends along the whole northern side of the Gulf, and these missiles have easily concealed mobile launchers. They would sink tankers with ease, and in a few days insurance rates for tankers planning to enter the Gulf would become prohibitive, effectively shutting down the region’s oil exports completely.

Meanwhile Iran would start supplying modern surface-to-air missiles to the Taliban in Afghanistan, and that would soon shut down the U.S. military effort there. (It was the arrival of U.S.-supplied Stinger missiles in Afghanistan in the late 1980s that drove Russian helicopters from the sky and ultimately doomed the whole Soviet intervention there.)

Iranian ballistic missiles would strike U.S. bases on the southern (Arab) side of the Gulf, and Iran’s Hezbollah allies in Beirut would start dropping missiles on Israel. The United States would have no options for escalation other than the nuclear one, and pressure on it to stop the war would mount by the day as the world’s industries and transport ground to a halt.

The end would be an embarrassing retreat by the United States, and the definitive establishment of Iran as the dominant power of the Gulf region. That was the outcome of every wargame the Pentagon played, and Mike Mullen knows it. So there is a plan for an attack on Iran, but he would probably rather resign than put it into action. It is all bluff. It always was.

The second edition of Gwynne Dyer’s latest book, Climate Wars, was published recently in Canada by Random House.

Comments

terry white
"can bomb Iran’s nuclear sites and military installations to its heart’s content, but everything it destroys can be rebuilt in a few years"

so every few years iran will be re bombed

they will never be allowed to have workable installations

even israel and egypt could take turns at gitting iran
instalations
 
Ryan L
That is how you create terrorists
 
Ali Biname Irani
This is a very interesting article, I believe it points to an important fact that a war is not the solution. Iranian regime is extremely brutal to its people and the uprising of the Iranian people is the key to regime change in Iran. The world has to point fingers at human rights violations in the country and give media coverage to the story, the people knowing the world support their efforts will increase their pressure on the regime forcing the ultra conservative factions to retreat and eventually allow for reform. A more democratic Iran will have to improve its relations with the world and even change its nuclear stand. The world at this time is not doing much in supporting human rights. As a matter of fact the Iranian dictator visits the UN each year? Why can't the Iranian mission be suspended from UN until they improve their human rights record?
Those who believe that regional countries like Israel and Egypt can confront Iran maybe in for a surprise and some very intelligent military minds have looked at these scenarios.
The only vital option is to support the effort of the Iranian people, otherwise the west will have to accept these brutal dictators for many years to come and support them the same way it supports some other dictators in the region and be certain that they won't attack anyone if they are not in danger other than the Iranian people who continue to be the primary targets of the regime's terror. It is a moral question? Do the people of the world be on the side of war and brutality or support human rights with a full effort.
 
KiDDAA Magazine
Unlike Israel, Iran is a signatory to the IAEA (UN) inspections on its nuclear program. Unlike Israel which has 200 working nuclear weapons, Iran has O. Israel also occupies Palestinian, Syrian, and Lebanese land which according to world international law and the UN is illegal. In other words and apartheid. Iraq left a million dead Iraqis, 5,000 US and UK troops and made it into an anarchy. The US won't attack Iran they are in the middle of two wars going badly. If anyone is stupid or crazy enough its Israel. They don't care about world opinon. Iran is no threat but neither was Iraq. The sheep continue to love war and they call those people nuts? Iran is over 5,000 years old.
 
KiDDAA Magazine
Its amazing to me how after Iraq, 5,000 US and UK soldiers dead anarchy there. In Afghanistan over 1,000 Nato troops killed, including 150 Canadians and Osama and the true criminals are in Pakistan. Why would anyone including the US even contemplate going to war with Iran? Iran after all helped the US in 2003 in the Afghan invasion against the Taleban. It looks like Mel Gibson was right the Israelis and its Jewish right really do start every war in that region. The same people who supported South Africa's apartheid regime think Israel is right for occupying Gaza and the Palestinians. People like Dyer speak the truth, hopefully Obama will tell the Israelis to shove it and not make the world economy worse and more dead people. How about some peace? I don't see Iran attacking anyone now or ever. I do see Israel continuing its illegal apartheid though.
 
Wilfried Schuler
And there millions of iranians living in Europe and in North America. How
many of them would start underground activities? And how to deal with them? Internate them? Ridiculous. This means guerilla activities everwhere. More Homeland Security. Less civil rights. Has anybody said it? Homeland Security is a Nazi term. And that ´s the way the US is drifting. And Obama is not any better than Bush. He is worse he told you a fairy tale. Out of Iraq, out of Afghanistan, close Guantanamo. All these things are as far as the moon. The reality is, in to Pakistan and stir India up against Pakistan. Bomb Iran, possibly Syria, stir up Latin America. attack Hugo Chavez. Are those people still sane? Anybody may answer this question to himself.
 
SIGH
Given the choice, the people of Iran would overthrow their government in a heartbeat. They are generally good people, but as is obvious above, some have bought into the anti-Israel hard line.

Peace will never be achieved in the middle east. That place is a complete hotbed of violence, and picking one versus the other is akin to playing favourites with poisonous snakes.

I've lived in the middle east, I've worked with both Israelis and Iranians, and I can tell you this: there's practically nothing any of us western do-gooders can do to ease the hatred.
 
Francis Mont
The disturbing thought I had after reading this article was: Gwynne Dyer admitted (in "With Every Mistake") that many had thought George W. Bush was also bluffing about Iraq. It would be nice if we could count on sanity prevailing but recent History showed us that we can't always do that. According to other articles by Gwynne: both the Iraq and the Afghanistan wars are unwinnable and that should have been obvious from the start. Yet, they both happened. So what will prevent the nut-cases from starting yet another unwinnable war?
 
Jag N
"Yet, they both happened. So what will prevent the nut-cases from starting yet another unwinnable war?"
The consequences of any war with Iran are many orders of magnitude worse than the previous two wars. Any self-preserving rational entity will surely see the consequences, especially the US military. A war with Iran will make Vietnam look like a cakewalk. Sane heads will prevail... or so I hope
 
dowhatIdo
Support the people of Iran covertly to overthrow their kook, like should have been done in Iraq and the USA
 
Scott Blackstone
Yeah, war with Iran is a completely insane idea. The only meaningful engagement with the Iranians is via diplomacy.
 
Francis Mont
"Sane heads will prevail... or so I hope"

Talking about sane heads:

"47 House Republicans just signed on to H.R. 1553 declaring unequivocal “support for Israel’s right to use all means necessary to confront and eliminate nuclear threats posed by Iran ”¦ including the use of military force.” These Republicans have just given Tel Aviv a blank check for a preemptive war that Israel, unless it uses its nuclear weapons, can start but not finish. Fighting and finishing that war would fall to the armed forces of the United States."

See article at http://original.antiwar.com/buchanan/2010/08/02/gop-blank-check-for-war/ by Patrick J. Buchanan.
 
WagtheDog
Has the U.S. ever won any war?
 
cameronjamesmcarthur@live.co.uk
it is not winning or losing but being in the game that counts...geronimo...banzai...57 varieties...regards cam
 
Roozle
"Unwinnable?" - Long slow stalemates ala Iraq, Afghanistan, and Vietnam, are good for business. This does not appear to be a likely outcome in the case of Iran, thus the big "win" for business is not there.
 
Jamie
Contrary to what the author suggests, bombing Iranian nuclear facilities is still a viable option. I think where Gwynne goes wrong is in the assumption that air-strikes on these facilities automatically translates into an occupation and nation-building enterprise similar to what is found in Iraq and Afghanistan. What is on the table is something closer to the airstrikes on Iraq and Syria, not overthrowing the gov't and a full-fledged occupation. Furthermore, suggesting that the US is considering using nuclear weapons to hit these facilities is a clear example of falling victim to sensationalism. Why would you use nuclear weapons when conventional bombs would be just as effective?

Next the author also brings up Iran cutting off it's supply of oil as a retalitory measure. Yet, what is not mentioned is the fact that Iran's main source of revenue comes from the exporting of unrefined oil. Cutting off these exports would cripple their own economy exponentially more so than what would happen to the rest of the international community. Futhermore, Iran lacks the ability to refine it's own oil into usable products, such as gasoline. Basically, no oil out means no gas coming in. Does anyone really think that the Iranian regime (and everyday Iranians) would find this acceptable?

The author also doesn't at all mention what a world held hostage by a nuclear Iran would look like. This is essential when creating a cost / benefit analysis, like the author has attempted here. Basically, half of the argument isn't even being addressed here. Things like what Iran's neighbors think of these potential air-strikes are completely ignored (several of Iran's regional neighbors have publically stated that they prefer Iran not attain this technology and would be open to pre-emptive airstrikes to prevent it). Yes, I think we can all agree that droping nuclear weapons on Iran and invading their country to prevent them from attaining these weapons themselves isn't that best idea. Yet, it's not even really a viable option to begin with. The most extreme option was taken in order prove that any military action is a bad idea. This is a false argument.
 
ERISANation
Let's develop energy independence. We are in so deep with Israel that there is no way out that would assure its survival and cause most Arabs and militant Iranians not to hate the US.
 
88
keep doing israel's bidding and keep the invented war on terror going to make them richer.

racher corrie
 
Jeff Helmer
Why has the US given up the plans to attack Canada? Is it not worth it, or has it become too strong for the US, which can only pick a fight with those already lying down like Iraq and Afghanistan? Still the US is not winning there.

The US has become pussy brutes just like their disgusting masters in IsraHell as was demonstrated on 31 May.

If you really insist on picking a fight with worthy opponents. attack Iran and say good-bye to your fleet and your army in Iraq immediately. Iran's allies Russia and China will see to it that the US and Israel will both become part of history. It is not unlikely that it will play out as the biblical Armageddon, but misguided American evangelicals and their Jewish puppet masters have really been working very hard for it for a long time.

Repent, because the time is nigh.
 
Michael J
Jamie says ... "bombing Iranian nuclear facilities is still a viable option ... suggesting that the US is considering using nuclear weapons ... is a clear example of falling victim to sensationalism ... What is on the table is something closer to the airstrikes on Iraq and Syria ..."

First off, by what rationale do you believe Israel (or the US) has any legal or moral right to circumvent the NPT by bombing civilian nuclear facilities that are protected under that accord?

To quote Pat Buchanan:
'Three years ago, 16 U.S. intelligence agencies reached a consensus that Iran had given up on the project of building a bomb. Do these Republicans have hard evidence Iran is diverting its enriched uranium to such a bomb? If so, where is it?"

Futhermore all of the Iranian nuclear sites are under the inspection regime of (the now politicised) UN monitors ... and so far, they have made no claim that Iran has diverted any of its LEU stockpiles.

So again, by what rationale do you justify an attack on Iranian nuclear facilities, that which is essentially, a defacto declaration of war?

Do you really think that Iran (and its citizens) would allow such an attack on their homeland without pushing back in kind?

Even if it temporarily detered Iranian enrichment, what would be the message sent to Iran and the rest of the world regarding the Non-Proliferation Treaty?

The message would be that {despite all the rhetorical flourishes} the NPT was merely a cynical ploy by the Nuclear Powers to deprive all others from mastering the technical knowledge for even peaceful nuclear power ... and that there was no real incentive for a cooperative framework ... indeed that the only way to be taken seriously by those Powers and to be treated with a modicum of restraint and respect, was to secretly develop ones own nuclear arsenal.

That after all, is the lesson that Israeli, Indian, Pakistani, and North Korean nuclear development teaches, and contrary to the way of Afganistan and Iraq, that countries that have nuclear capability will not be casually threatened, nor cavalierly attacked.

In the short term, any attack on Iran, would be almost certain to spark a wider Middle Eastern War, and in the long term become the catalyst to an Iran determined to aquire it's own nuclear armament ... and in the wake of an unprovoked attack they would have every right to do so, and be fools not to.
 
Ben Dover
Nice to see Dyer is back to commenting on something he knows about - conflict and politics.
He knows as much about climate change as my ass knows about chewing gum.
 
Jamie
Michael J.,

Pat Buchanan was quoting the National Security Estimate written in 2007 which has had many criticisms laid against it, both domestically in the US and by other Western intelligence services. See for a basic overview: http://online.wsj.com/article/NA_WSJ_PUB:SB10001424052748704471504574447...

and here:

http://www.newsweek.com/blogs/declassified/2010/01/15/coming-around-on-i...

Your assumption that the facilities you cite are for civilian purposes is merely an assumption. Somehow a duel-use site should not be conisdered? Some sites are open to inspection while other hiden sites have been discovered. The newly discovered site near Qom is capable of creating weaponized uranium. Why would these supposedely "legal" sites have to be concealed? No one is calling for strikes right now. However, that may change if more insidious evidence comes to light. So you can sleep well tonight knowing that the US isn't going to be bombing anyone before you wake.

Your logic is basically this: A pre-emptive attack aimed at stopping Iran's nuclear program would be ineffective because it would just encourage Iran to invest more into their program (as if they can do much more than they are now and still keep it hidden... you know, from further strikes). So basically the only way to stop Iran from creating nuclear weapons, is to allow it to continue its nuclear program (on it's own terms?). What is the result of this program? A nuclear armed Iran. Is the world better off?

As for the NPT, it calls for the sharing of nuclear technologies as long as it can be proven that these technologies are for civilian use only. This has to be proven. A state is guilty of bad intentions unless it has proven that it has none. Because we are talking about nuclear weapons, and potentially millions of lives are in play, this is obviously required. I'd hope that you'd agree that Iran has not suffieciently convinced anyone that it's intentions are all in plain sight. The IAEA itself found that Iran "failed in a number of instances over an extended period of time" to report aspects of its enrichment program". What happens when one side respects a treaty while the other side actively seeks to circumvent it? Your outcome has Iran (not exactly a rational state, in the sense it sees itself as the physical implementation of God's will) armed with nuclear weapons. What does that world look like to you?
 
Advocate
How is it that progressives - those who in the past defended individual rights and freedoms and fought fascism – have now become the breeding ground for new kinds of dangerous attitudes: an unthinking loathing of Israel; an obsessive anti-Americanism; an idea of “tolerance” that, in its justification of Islamic fanaticism, for example, could become the “cemetery of democracies”; and an indifference, masked by relativism, to the greatest human tragedies facing the world today? They have become tools for the “new barbarism”.
 
Paolo
Dyer does not mention that the West is already at war wth Iran. They ship weapons and expertiese to Afganistan, Iraq, Gaza and Lebanon. In return, we should ship the war to them.
 
Perivail Benway
empire arrives at dilemma. bummer!
 
Ron Paul 2012
The real problem facing the DOD is what retired CIA analyst Ray McGovern stated recently. That is that Israel may attack Iran and therefore force the U.S. military to come to it's aid.

Read his letter to the President here:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article26077.htm

 
marie joy
Our "leaders' ultimate goal is to destroy America and they're succeeding because Americans refuse to see what is front of them..
 
Joe in JT
The American fantacy idea of war is "just drop a few nukes and lets all go home" is dangerous and naive. This isn't a football game! What do you think would happen if we nuked Iran? Most of the world (especially Muslims) would hate us. Iran would have every right to bide it's time and in a few months or a year sneek in a couple of suitcase nukes stolen from Russia and explode them on New Years Eve in New York City just as the ball was dropping down and you were kissing your girlfriend.
And guess what? They would be justified in doing so. Is that what you want? If not, tell your Senator. Tell O'Bama, hands off Iran.
 
curious
The civilisation that is robbed blind to pay for these wars is the actual target. Everything else is diversion.
 
Norm Smith
Iran is a peaceful nation that has no desire for war.

The real Axis of Evil is the Warmonger nations USA, Israel, UK, and Canada.

I am ashamed and disgusted by the red, white and blue regime in Ottawa. The Conservatives policies are "Made in the USA".

And Obama is a Warmonger Wolf in sheeps clothing.
 
Truthy
White people are making war against humanity - terrorists of the earth for thousands of years!! Whites are the Beast and Devil of the bible!!!
 
Tomujyf
You know, I DO thinks it's a good idea to invade Canada, I mean, come on, they have been terrorizing us with that damn Metric system for years!
 
Peace loving American
Smart Americans don't want war. They want the heads of Wall St on a plate.
 
armani
How are the Americans going to attack Tehran? By dropping bombs everywhere? Didn't Saddam Hussein drop bombs everyday across Iran during the Iran-Iraq war WITH the help of its western backers? I mean if Iran's adjacent neighbors couldn't win a 7 year war what makes Israel think they can win one with the current world economic climate. The Iranian people can not afford another revolution the same way the US can not afford another war.
 
Marcel LeRoi
To create more evil in the world, start a war. War is pure evil.
 
Tim
Good! Now can my U.S. government please mind their own business and fix the so many problems we have here at home?
 
Ahmed
The solution is simple. It is "Israel" that should be nuked! Before those impostors stole the land from Palestine the middle east was more stable. It is time to wake up to the reality of the Zionist deceptions. America is brainwashed to hate the Muslims, but it is the Zionist state that makes the war and terrorism and then blames the Muslims.
 
JIMMY
@truthy, now you're makin sense! I have little wonder about you. And you say I'm a beast and devil? hahaha what a tool!
 
Steve Pallister
I don't think the problem will come from the USA starting a war with Iran, because despite the general level of self delusion and general stupidity which reigns in the US from the ballot box to the POTUS to the Pentagon, they probably do sense this is the bridge too far. With a few exceptions, such as the NeoCon faction, who unfortunately still hold great power in Washington.

It is Israel I would be more worried about. Reecent events on the world stage regarding the MIddle East, must surely have awoken even the most naive to the fact that it is most definately Israel which dictates and the USA which does as it is told in that relationship. There is no way the USA can stop Israel attacking Iran and thus starting a war which will imediately involve the USA, with all the consequences outlined by Gwynne Dyer. The regime in charge in Israel is not a rational player, and is set to become even more extremist with time.

The only thing which makes me doubt they might do it, at least yet, is the absence of the Center left in the government. Despite the rhetoric, Israel never goes to war without their idea of center left onboard.

So if Tzip Livni ends up back in there, worry.
 
Exterminatous
Nuke them now leave Iran a flat glowing spot. Resistance is futile, make good use of your time
 
Jc
I agree with most of these posts here. It's like they just swapped out the Q and put an N there. They've been indoctrinating you people now for what going on 8 years? and now it is crunch time. But this time other nations won't stand aside, Russia is an ally of them and China is an ally of Russia. If China gets involved they won't even lift a finger as a reporter stated. They will just dump the 2 trillion dollars worth of bonds they own here and we will be finished
 
William Whitten
In my opinion the call to war with Iran is a strategy of tension. Nothing more. If not, then the Crimson King is truly nuts and its the end of the world.
\\ll//
 
RobGrey
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...The U.S. more resembles Israel everyday - the U.S./Israel relationship is a serious case of the tail wagging the dog. The U.S. supplies Israel (the 10th richest nation on earth) with as much aid as it does all other nations combined - this is the match that will burn down the forest and it must stop. Israel is the most racist nation on this planet, we do not tolerate racism in the U.S.- why do we tolerate the Zionist state of Israel?
...Jamie (above) is worried that Iran might hold the world a nuclear hostage - when Israel has been doing exactly that since the Kennedy administration.
...The U.S. gov/military is top heavy with dual-citizen Israelis - boot them out and require that only American citizens can hold political/military offices and appointments. The Zionists are supremacist who believe sincerely that they are 'the chosen ones' and the rest of us are so much scum floating on the water - this is a very dangerous ideology especially when combined with Israel's nuclear arsenal.
...It's time to stop aiding the Zionists, end this lame relationship - thus forcing Israel to get along with her neighbors via a coalition government with Palestine - or perish, the choice would be entirely theirs.
...U.S. military might is only useful against technically-inferior third world countries who can't defend themselves anyway. Attack Iran, North Korea, China or Russia and you will be in for a rude surprise -
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Karmac MacCormick
Our government is insane. No, I don't feel threatened by the Iranian mullahs, I feel threatened by CNN and the CIA.
 
barkingdeer
try to stop thinking like innocents. it isn't about winning. it's about the munitions contracts. who has actually won a war lately ? not us. victory went out of style with general macarthur. but some people do cash in continuously on mega flows of money. and the national security state firewall always needs thickened, which all this tends to do, so that the satanic warmongers can stay protected from the law. we might drop bombs on iran, like we did iraq. a few thousand more gi's will die and dick cheney's buddies will make another pile of money.
 
john thompson
Not if Israel starts it as a renegade... I have no doubt they will attempt it, and fail horribly... The question will be whether the US joins to clean up the Israeli mess...
 
ak47Blog
GET A GRIP U.S. cannot drop nuclear weapons without a reverse impact on the entire world. USA is historical and exceptional failure that has trapped itself their perpetrators the [DIMILLUMINATI] into the total catastrophic menace of unparalleled nuclear global war death and destruction. The stooges U.S. and Dimillumanti creates a vise in pursuit of hyper psychotic NWO, screwing themselves into their very own demise by virtue of the fact of rendering the earth uninhabitable to all nature, creatures, eco-systems, organisims, flora fauna and human life as we know. They are truly DIM
 
Robbie Burns
"Today Jews rule the world by proxy; they use others to fight and to die for them" Mahathir Mohammed 2006.

This saber rattling is all about Israel: The US public is the most gullible population on the planet. When will they take their nation back?
 
jon jonsin
"As a matter of fact the Iranian dictator visits the UN each year? Why can't the Iranian mission be suspended from UN until they improve their human rights record?"--unquote.

why cant they do the same to the u.s. who continue to spread d.u. in falujah and other places. and while they're at it, include the israelis who are suspected of doing the same in gaza. the deformities occurring in falujah are the work of psychopaths. it is only a matter of time before they occur in afghanistan.
 
Colin Bennett
Sometimes you have to fight evil no matter what the cost. If you left-liberal folk prefer to defend an evil mediaeval priest-ridden regime against America, then when Islam is at your door, you will all wish you had never been born. A regime which stones women to death will kill you all overnight.
 
 
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