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In West Vancouver, Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff says Stephen Harper promotes fear

Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff took in the sunset on the ferry to the Lower Mainland.

By Charlie Smith,

At a town hall meeting on the North Shore, Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff accused Prime Minister Stephen Harper of trying to foment fear.

"This is how this man governs: let's find something to be frightened of," Ignatieff told an audience of several hundred people today (August 22) at the West Vancouver Community Centre.

The federal Opposition leader cited the example of Tamil refugee claimants, who travelled in a rickety boat across the Pacific Ocean and arrived in B.C. earlier this month.

Ignatieff claimed that federal Conservative politicians tried to make people "afraid of people you don't even know".

He added that officials with the Immigration and Refugee Board should have been left to do the proper screening without interference.

"Politicians should shut up and let these people do their job," Ignatieff declared to loud applause.


He pointed out that his own father was a refugee who fled Communism in Russia. "We must always be a haven in a heartless world," Ignatieff said.

He went on to describe how the Harper government has created a "democratic deficit".

"This is a prime minister who shut parliament down not once, but twice," he noted.

Ignatieff also claimed that Conservative politicians smeared the reputation of a civil servant, Richard Colvin, after he raised questions about the handling of Afghan detainees.

The Liberal leader commented on how the Conservative government "pretty well ignored" a Federal Court order involving the detention of Omar Khadr in Guantanamo Bay.

From there, Ignatieff highlighted how Harper's government "basically fired" the ombudsman for Canadian veterans.

He then noted how the RCMP officer overseeing the long-gun registry was shuffled out of his job to take French lessons after speaking out in favour of gun control.

"Anybody who cares about law and order wants a gun registry in this country, pure and simple," Ignatieff said.

He closed his speech by inviting "compassionate Conservatives" and those who are concerned about the $54-billion deficit to join the Liberals' "big red tent".

Ignatieff also cautioned those who are considering casting ballots for the two other major federal parties outside of Quebec.

"If you vote NDP or Green, you will give this country four more years of Stephen Harper," he claimed.


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Comments

John Charles
I like what this guy is saying. This doesnt really jive with how the media has been depicting him.
 
Steve Stinson
There is no more accountable government than a minority government. As such, Ignatieff's comments are without foundation. If he thinks this government is so bad, he is welcome to bring it down through a confidence vote, yet he doesn't. Why not?
 
Anonymous
Old Iggy's really packin' them in to his small town meetings.
 
Marlies Loehde
iIT IS REALLY SAD THAT IGNATIEF THE CARPET BAGGER SPREADS SO MANY LIES, LIES. HOW HE CAN TWIST THINGS, RE THE OMBUDSMAN. HIS TERM WAS FOR THREE YEARS, AND THAT GUY, THE COLONEL TOLD LIES TOO. AND TO THINK THAT ALL THOSE PEOPLE IN wEST vANCOUVER MIGHT FALL FOR HIS RETHORIC.
 
Ontario Taxpayer
Iggy must be making inroads,,,,,I count 35 or so people in this shot....now take away his staff (I will estimate 10 people) and there remains about 25 people....now that is a large draw for the Count!
 
P fries
Iggy is blowing bubbles.

My Father escaped a soviet prison camp, came to Canada and became a Canadian.

Iggy was partying with Knob Rae in a dorm at the same time.

My father raised a family of 5 while learning english...Iggy spent the salaries of 5 taxpayers sucking up to elite poloticians for personal gain!
 
North Shore Voter
I went to see Michael Ignatieff at Kensington Community Ctr yesterday. There must have been over a thousand people there. I very much liked what he had to say, as well as how he and his wife interacted with the crowd. Upon arriving, as he made his way to the speaker's platform, he spent at least 30 minutes taking and answering people's questions - old fashioned grassroots style politics. He came across as a very intelligent, down-to-earth, likeable guy, while he articulated a very positive vision about how the Liberal Party would govern Canada.
 
Hermesacat
I hope Iggy takes the opportunity next election to form a coalition gov't with the NDP, Bloc supported, & become PM.So long as Tories can be kept to another paltry plurality (a Tory majority seems far fetched by now), coalition looks almost in-the-bag. Especially with the NDP, Bloc, & senior Libs like Chretien already on board.

I'm vexed & puzzled by Ig. Why has he continued to prop up Harper's dreary, minority gov't for so long? PM-ship is within Ig's easy reach via coalition, yet he has repeatedly cringed, cowered & caved to Harper's abuses of power. Ig's indictments against Harper are indictments against Ig too, as Ig's currently Harper's primary ally, enabler, & prop-er-up-er in Parliament. Stop cowering Ig. Be brave & say nay to the autocratic, power abusing Harper!
 
Arnold Murphy
Nothing but positive, any criticism of Iggy meeting Canadians is the real fear of Harper and his minions losing their free ride.
 
Ray I
Iggy promotes sleep!
 
hollinm
The only fear Stephen Harper strikes is in the hearts of Liberals and the leftie media. Ignatieff is not going to win many friends running around the country pretending he is something he is not and maligning the PM. Of course he has no policies so thats all he can talk about. This man is a disgrace and should go back to Harvard. Canadians have already said what they think of him as a politician, leader of a party and potential PM. They don't much like him.
 
Observant
Ignatieff spent 35 years away from Canada, then suddenly in 2005 he decides to return, to be the next PM of Canada post-Martin ... but fate was cruel. He and the Liberals spent the last 4 years supporting the Harper minority gov't while whining and attacking.

If his Toronto Liberal-UCC chums hadn't made him an offer he couldn't refuse, to be PM of Canada, he would still be at Harvard teaching British history and neocon-style 'human rights' (torture, assassination, denial of rights, preemptive war).

Ignatieff, the lapsed and now born-again Canadian who wants to live in 24 Sussex ... with his non-Canadian wife!! Ignatieff ... NOT worthy to be PM of Canada just because he dons Liberal drag.
 
Been paying taxes for your lost 34 years.
He pointed out that his own father was a refugee who fled Communism in Russia.
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Unlike Michael who became a refugee who fled Canada for 34 years only to return on an invitation from the Liberals.
Sorry Mike,too little,too late.
Your should have,could have,would have speeches don't say anything about how you will govern.


 
Bluesman
He's right... that's all the not-really-hoourable Steve and Guy Giorno do. That is their strategy. That's it! nothing more... These guys are lightweights... Next election VOTE! because it really matters. This is not the country I grew up in.
 
postandbeam
I'm scared every time a Liberal wannabe talks about fear. I know what the Liberals Hidden Agenda is because they did it repeatedly and that was reach into my families pockets and pull out cash for them to play with.
 
Jason
I suppose then all the people that do not favor the gun registry are all criminals then. I have guns I hunt with. Am I therefor a criminal and should be locked up. Of course he wants the Tamil refugees to stay. He sees another 500 votes and more on the way. "The Big Red Tent" Didn't we have enough of that and all the adscams and other lies the Libs gave us. This guy is doing nothing but trying to get the populous to think of the hidden agenda of the Conservatives. Though I think that has gone by the wayside.

If he thinks he has the asnwers then he should be telling the public what he plans on running for in the net election and bring Harper down. Then he will learn just what canadians think of him.
 
Gerry Smallwood
Iggy (Iffy) seems to not understand that the criminals don't register their firearms.
 
BC Blue
lol @ Charlie Smith and his "rickety boat"
 
beelzebub
Isn't that nice, Iggy, the rich intellectual trying to reach the little guy in the city with the richest postal code in Canada. OMG what a buffoon.
 
pab scum
It is your tax money paying for it:

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/QPeriod/20100523/government-online-forums-100523/
 
J the M
Well I see Borque Newswatch has linked so the CONbots have received their orders from CON messaging central. Its all the usual stuff attack, lie and obsfuscate. I see Mr. Ignatieff and the Liberals are expressing clear and more defined policy everyday. See the above videos, or go to the Liberal website, maybe check out this link http://www.liberal.ca/newsroom/news-release/liberal-express-brings-commi...
This is called policy and it is developed by numerous people not just one. It is also acheivable, because the Liberals may actually form the next government. This is something you won't see out of the Conservatives or the NDP. The CONS are a one man show and the NDP will never hold government so they can say what ever they like. If someone could post a link to some CON policy I would love to read it, or some NDP policy that can actually be acheived, and isn't just against present government policy. Of course then we can debate the soundness of these policies if you dare. It is something the Liberals and Ignatieff don't seem to fear.

Mr' Ignatieff is drawing large numbers in BC, and this is just the beggining. There will be no coalition, it won't be nessacary, time is now on the Liberals side. the Harpercons are selfdestructing because one man can't run the whole show, and a "my way or the highway" revenge motive is no way to govern.

The fall will be fun for some of us and I look forward to the spring election when Steve will have taken enough rope and the NDP and Layton will have exposed themselves as the blind oppurtunists they are. Canadians are looking for more than scripted news conferences where questions on the issues of the day that count can't be asked.That along with strong policy will be the making of a strong minority for the Liberals.
 
glen p robbins
I wonder if Mr. Ignatieff has an opinion - or even knowledge of the the multi billion dollar fraud by the Government of Canada and Big Banks and financial institutions against Canadian consumers -- relating to the $50-75 billion dollar Government buy-out of 'weak' Mortgages and loans during the worldwide recession.

Precisely -- in how many instances have the Banks and financial institutions turned around ---after hypothecating the mortgage debt 'paper' to the government scooping the proceeds from the billion dollar pool--as part of (apparently) keeping the economy from "another depression" then turning around and initiated foreclosure proceedings against property owners --- to collect the same mortgage money twice--

The victims in this huge multi - billion dollar Made in Canada fraud aren't likely rich folks----like in West Vancouver.

Americans reading this -- take it to the bank

 
danielmartin
I'm interested in hearing more - much of the media coverage before echoed some of these commenters, not what i heard and witnessed on the coverage of Ignatieff's events.
I'm tired of negative Harper, mean Harper and non-accountable Harper. I'll consider all options that will help give him all the time he needs to finish that hockey book Hah!
 
Elizabeth Wilson
I was at Kensington too, took the kids (teens) who seem to be paying some attention. Ignatieff was there in the middle of all sorts of people, taking the time to talk with them, being an approachable politician of all things. No goons, no shades, no earpieces and mics, no worries. A regular guy talking to regular folk. Nothing was shielded or kept away, no topic was off limits, no body got riled or went away disgruntled.
It was one of the best political meets I've attended and I was proud that my kids came too and took away a sense of decorum and friendly democracy. They felt they counted in some way to this man who may be Canada's next Prime Minister. No mean feat for teens in the iPod age.

A fearless kind of guy the real west has seen far too few of this last decade.

Face it, when VanderZalm is the new Best Thing in BC, we've been dragging the line.

Ignatieff over old woodenhead Harper any day of the week.
 
Elizabeth Wilson
beelzebub, Vancouver Kingsway is David Emerson's old riding. Remember him? Yeah, that guy. Not the richest postal code. Good enough for Emerson though until his floor-crossing got the best of him.
Vancouver-Kingsway is a core riding and Stephen Harper poisoned it over Emerson. Of course Emerson couldn't handle the heat and left the kitchen.

From the looks of the Liberal Express stop in Van-King, most people were out looking for an alternative to Harper and any of his wolves-in-sheep's-clothing like the Emersons waiting to be paid for loyalty.

Fertile ground, Van-King. Not for Harper seeds though. Harper salted that ground for whatever rendition of Conservatives might try to plant there. That's Harper's way though, isn't it? If not him then nobody.

I don't understand why so many moderate conservatives tolerate Harper's burnt ground politics.

Van-King is not a rich postal code, but certainly able to tell who's robbing who to pay for the Emersons of the world. We watch and we wait until Harper dares appoint Emerson to the Senate. Even Harper knows who's middle-class toes he'd be trodding on to try it and he wouldn't dare. I'd like to think that Emerson would prefer to retain some modicum of respect and defer a Senate appointment if not outright refuse. I live in hope.

So keep your class warfare and postal code potshots to yourself. Sitting paid in Harper's war room doesn't give you the breadth of understanding of BC. Even Flaherty made the mistake of thinking Canada ends at the Rockies. For him and his Alberta help-meet Harper, Canada does.

Underestimate BC and Vancouver in particular at your peril.
 
Gerald
Iggy might be a tad stiff but he's right about Harper.The country is being run by a very cruel PMO.They don't seem to like people .They are always lie first.
 
Jerry Prager
Finally painting Harper with the right hues. The Conservative government, like all those nasty immigrants they like to despise who come here to take advantage of Canada, came to Ottawa on a transparency, accountability and democracy platform, which was all lies, and they have done nothing buty take advantage of the niceties of Canadian democracy since. Send them back to where they came from. They think everyone lies like they do, that's why they promote fear and hatred.
 
Leasa
We don't have far to look to find something scary in Canada with Iggy wanting to run this country. I may be mistaken, but wasn't Iggy's dad a part of the communist regime in Russia until things went sour? On the topic of his dad, why did the family only live in Canada for such a short time? They fled Canada when Iggy was only weeks old and his brother was born in the USof A. Ummmm.
 
AHALL
The irony in Ignatief's statement is that he is promoting fear of Harper. Fear is the great motivation tool in politics. For once, let's have a debate about ideas and not about personalities or perceptions, unless we're afraid of ideas.
 
Darrell
Be interested to hear Mr. Ignatieff's position on Climate Change (TM). Bet he thinks we ought to be afraid.
 
George Sharen
I didn't know iggy was a Michael Keaton fan. His speach is right out of the end of a keaton movie where he takes on his opponent who is running against him for the presidency. Ah don't ya just love it when Life imatates Art.
 
Taxative
Looks like a Swiss Chalet convention.
 
Rose21
This is just so much political spin -- it's a stump speech attacking the other side. If you don't like Harper, you will agree with his points. If you do like Harper and the Conservatives, there are a lot of points made here that you disagree with. I think it is unfortunate that the journalists do not take time to analyze the legitimacy of his comments -- instead, we just have pretty much a "free" political announcement for the Libs. Whenever Harper makes a statement we always get views from the other side reported in the media.
 
Rod
When it comes to politicians, they will use every method and means to get elected regardless of how true, how questionable or how devious. The day you see a candidate bring a real method in providing accountability on a public level will be the day the presses STOP. Integrity, morality, accountability for managing government funds has become a total disregard for elected officials. Can anyone think of a worse place to hold a Summit than downtown Toronto ? Has anyone had any doubts about the level of stupidity these officials are capable of ? Consider BC's Fast Ferries, the huge taxpayers losses over the past 25 years would really make anyone reconsider electing any of them. As it stands, we all work to pay for these idiotic spending sprees but there has been no accountability for the total loss in money or consideration of how hard we worked to provide it. This sickens me beyond description, higher license fees, higher traffic fines, higher health care costs, higher government managing fees like the Gun Control which is a total waste of taxpayer money. How can Canada have gun control when we have "open" border areas with the United States ? How many people have to be shot in Canada by gangs and individuals before somebody asks them who owned the gun, where was the gun registered ? The reason nobody asks the questions is because the government doesn't have the answers, the news reporters fail the public in getting the answers, so what is the point in having gun registration if there is no way of telling who or where they came from ?
This is just one of so many ways that tax dollars has been spent and the fact is our Government is and never will be held accountable for whatever stupidity they enact.
 
Susaan
Ignatieff....still befuddled as to why the endless gravy train hasn't magically materialized once again for the hopelessly vacuous and corrupt Liberal Party. After all the Liberal elite promised that he'd be Prime Minister if he left Harvard and went to the great white snowstorm to the North.
 
Birdy
Canadians rejoice!
We get to choose between Harper; a war on drugs supporting corporate whore wearing blue, or Iggy; a war on drugs supporting corporate whore wearing red.

Anyone else feeling overwhelmed with our vast democratic power?

*puke*
 
Rose21
One of the problems in this country is that too many people do not think carefully about what exactly is being said. Iggy's rhetoric is superficial and manipulative. For example:
"Anybody who cares about law and order wants a gun registry in this country, pure and simple," This is an appalling indictment of many rural Canadians and others who view the registry as a waste of resources. There is nothing "pure and simple" about this -- it is a controversial issue with (arguably) legitimate positions on both sides. His appeal to "compassionate Conservatives" is also manipulative. Most of us are compassionate and caring Canadians. We simply have different views on how to solve problems. Iggy is all talk and no substance.

 
tim.
exactly, ignatieff can take the government down anytime he wants.

and ignatieff isn't even progressive. he's trying to give the perception that he is so he can get the green and NDP vote.

it's time for electoral reform not strategic voting, iggy.
 
fearfull
Oh, Harper's just fine. What's all this fear stuff? He's not just running the country, he's changing it:

Stats Can long form so gov't can plan, get rid of it. Climate change, doesn't exsist. Military, spend big. Diplomacy, waste of time. Take sides against 'axsis of evil'. Overseers of government, get rid of them. Majority opposition, ignored. Gun control, eliminate. Eliminating cause of crime/poverty, too expensive. More prisons/prison time, lot's of money for that. Higher education, for the rich. Promote sustainable energy, no money. Promote tar sands, lots of money. Lower taxes means a less liveable country, the U.S. is deteriorating but Harper wants to emulate it. Canada was doing very well under the Liberals, other than minor corruption which had to stop. They've done their time in the wilderness. Let's go back to sound government policy, why mess with success?
 
glen p robbins
Politically speaking -- Rose's point - sets out that Ignatieff doesn't understand -- in BC - the rural ridings are often part of the new suburbs--Interior - Kelowna, Vernon and such -- and his registry comments will keep his numbers down in these regions - / -- sufficient-- in the overall to make him (appear) to stall in polling numbers (lacking momentum) --as trade-offs to the gains he hopes to make against New Democrats---Greens in the urban regions.

In a populist style bus tour -- he didn't need to bring up the registry - it isn't as useful to him now---as it might be later when he moves about in a limo.
 
slytat
Doesn't matter what politician we get for the next PM, They will screw us, we need these guys more accountable. They are all the same, they are just like criminals with their lies and deceptions. We need change, fast!! Canada is falling apart.
 
SteppeUp
Michael Ignatieff can rant and critisize the Government (and Harper) all he wants from the Tamil Refugees to Omar Khadr, but his stance on all these issues runs against the stance of the majority of Canadians.
Please be man enough and back up your complaints by actually voting "Against" the government on these issues, instead of voting "With" the government and then complaining about the government. At least we the Canadian People can then go to the polls and really let you know what we think of you and your anti-Canadian lib left stances on issues that are making Canadians irate with you and your party. You and Your Liberal party are what is wrong with this Country, and the quicker we can have an election the better. Back to Harvard with you Sir....
 
Maurice
What has Iggy said in this article? Not much. He criticizes the PM for some of his decisions. For example; if Iggy were the PM would he release all the documents on the Afghan detainees? He says that Harper should release them, but if he were PM and realized the consequences of this action and had to bear the burden of his decision, he would surely change his mind. It is very easy to the Opposition Leader to criticize everything that the PM does. The boat load of refugees do not have the support of the majority of Canadians and on election day whenever that will be you will find that you do not have the support of the majority of Canadians either. By the way, having your MPs not show up for votes in the House of Commons is NOT wanting Parliament to work. Parliament works when the peoples’ representatives REPRESENT the people. Where are your policies Iggy? Bring out the PINK book and show how wimpy you will be when you are PM.
 
YYC
Why is it that every time the Lib's bring up the horrendous deficit they and those reporting, conveniently neglect to mention it was the Liberals (and NDP) tht screamed the deficit spending wasn't enough. A tad disingenuous on the Count's part.
 
unknown sample
Does Ignatieff actually stand for something? Aside from gaining power at any cost.

 
anon
Send him back to the USA. We need change in this country but we don't need an American to do it.

P.S. Time we change the Supreme Court of Canada too. Vote these guys in! I am tired of hearing about their stupid decisions! Like shooting at night isn't dangerous?!?!
 
Rolling Stone
Am i reading some of these comments right ?
people actually believing a politicain??
brainwashed fools
 
Albert
Even if Iggy is a liberal douchebag, I will take that over the conservitive government any day. Sure the liberals steal money, but atleast they aren't upfront about attacking the rights of every non-christian, or homosexual person in the country.(I added the split because there are gay christians, which really perplexes me. :/)
 
UWSofty
Looks like the right-wing nuts at Free Dominion are out in force: http://www.freedominion.ca/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=1525625
 
Angrygranny
In the House of Commons on TV. I saw a motion passed by the entire House. They gave millions of our tax dollars to, banks, big business, gas and oil company's. They also get huge tax reductions. They are now in court, to stop, the anti-HST. Large corporations, are greedy bottomless pits. This country is rotten to the core with corruption. What political party, would stop the corruption? My guess is, not one. It doesn't matter, which party is in office, the results will be the same.
 
 
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