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Vancouver truth seekers question 9/11

Darren Pearson is still on a crusade with his Vancouver 9/11 Truth Society.

By Carlito Pablo,

Darren Pearson makes a point of being at Vancouver’s Robson Square on the 11th of every month.

He and his colleagues have been setting up shop at the downtown plaza for more than three years to distribute leaflets and DVDs commemorating an event that changed the world: the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks in the U.S.

But more than just remembering the almost 3,000 people who perished, including 24 Canadians, Pearson’s group is asking the question that refuses to die in the minds of many: was 9/11 an inside job?

According to the founding member of the Vancouver 9/11 Truth Society, being involved in such a cause involves some serious challenges.

“I guess alienating myself from some people that may have been friends at one time—that certainly becomes a part,” Pearson told the Georgia Straight in a phone interview. “And even family members, for that matter.”

But it has its rewards. According to Pearson, he has received notes from people who feel that they’ve been enlightened. “I feel that I have been recognized by individuals who have said that I have changed their lives,” he said.

Largely ignored by media and shunned by other activist groups, 9/11 truth societies have managed to keep their crusade alive. That’s largely because of the Internet and social media, according to Mario Canseco, vice president of communications with Angus Reid Public Opinion.

“We need to remember that it’s easier now to tell a story than it ever was because of social media, because of blogs, because of Twitter,” Canseco told the Straight in a phone interview. “It’s never been as easy as it is now to deal with ways to get your message across. Not only that, it’s not just putting something out there but actually connecting with people who feel the same way you do.”

About two years ago, Canseco’s company conducted a survey on public perceptions of 9/11. The results showed that 34 percent of Canadians believed that the U.S. government “let” the attacks happen. While 29 percent thought that the administration of then–American president George W. Bush had no prior knowledge, 16 percent of Canadians believed that the U.S. “made” the attacks, and 21 percent were undecided.

“We’re basically talking about almost one in four Canadians who think that the collapse of the World Trade Center was a result of a controlled demolition,” Canseco said.

According to SFU history professor Mark Leier, it’s a “natural human thing” to have theories that events like 9/11 or the 1963 assassination of then–U.S. president John F. Kennedy or even the car accident that caused the death of Princess Diana in Paris in 1997 are the handiwork of powerful people in government.

“They are so out of the ordinary and so surprising that they push people to try to find explanations that make the whole thing somehow fit into a pattern that they can get their hands around,” Leier told the Straight by phone. “And so for a lot of people, the idea that, say, George Bush would engineer the attacks on the World Trade Center is somehow more plausible to them than the idea that people could be extremely angry at America for its actions in other parts of the world.”

Lee Moller of the B.C. Society for Skeptical Enquiry has one quick response to claims that 9/11 was perpetrated by the American government.

“The government is made up of tens of thousands of people, and they’ve all got different motivations, so it’s almost impossible to imagine that the government could pull off something like this and have nobody find out about it,” Moller told the Straight by phone.

But for Pearson, looking for alternative answers is a quest for “justice, I suppose, on some level”.

On Saturday (September 11), Pearson’s group won’t just be giving out leaflets and DVDs. They’ll have a full-day event starting at 10 a.m. in Room C225 at UBC Robson Square, featuring live speakers, conversations via Skype with famous 9/11 truth seekers like American architect Richard Gage, film showings, music, question-and-answer sessions, a raffle, and a silent auction.

Do you think the U.S. government played a role in the 9/11 attacks?

81% (457)
Yes
19% (108)
No

Comments

infowars
Moller is a shill or has no idea who governments really work. It's quite simple. A lot of government officials have spoken out about the official government story. In fact, commission co-chairmen Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton, commissioners Bob Kerrey, Timothy Roemer and John Lehman, all basically said that there was a massive cover-up going on by the pentagon.


Here's more info on what the commissioners said.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/08/02/9-11panel.pentagon/index.html

http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2003/11/21/cleland/index.html?pn=1

These articles just prove that everything in the official story is a lie! Go read it for yourself! It reads like a work of fiction.


 
TheParadigmShift
To Lee Moller of the B.C. Society for Skeptical Enquiry,

No one is accusing "the whole government" of orchestrating the 9/11 attacks. That is a strawman argument.

If you want to know who WAS involved look no further than the Neoconsevatives who drafted up the Rebuilding America's Defenses document for PNAC in 2000 who called for a "New Pearl Harbour" event to launch America into decades of global military dominance.

PNAC members include:
-Dick Cheney, Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Donald Rumsfeld, William Kristol and Robert Kagan.

Also Larry Silverstein who was the leaseholder of all 3 demolished buildings on 9/11 (yes 3 came down that day) made over 5 billion dollars in insurance claims.

For those who want to learn why so many people reject the official story of 9/11 I suggest you watch:


'ZERO: AN INVESTIGATION INTO 9/11'

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2296490368603788739#
 
Michael Hey
The world according to Lee Moller:

“The government is made up of tens of thousands of people, and they’ve all got different motivations, so it’s almost impossible to imagine that the government could pull off something like this and have nobody find out about it,”

This odd view that factions within governments are incapable of keeping secrets defies everything history has tought us. Outside the context of 9/11, I have never encountered anybody who would ever back such a ludicrous assertion.

Moller's statement is doubly bizarre since it has never been our position that the perpetrators of 9/11 were successful in their deception. On the contrary, we are convinced that the silent majority of Canadians understands perfectly well that the official narrative defies reason. In our view, the real problem is that society is living in denial because we are afraid to confront the political reality of our day.

Accepting the official story as absurd requires each and everyone of us to look inward, to re-examine our belief systems and to confront the embarrassing revelation that we are all capable of believing in falsehood. This is the point where 9/11 truth, once we embrace the cause, has the potential to aid us in furthering the collective evolution of human consciousness.

Perhaps the biggest irony of all is that Lee Moller identifies himself as a "skeptic" when he is willing to accept the official explanation without any hard evidence to support it. That's not my claim - it is the official position of the FBI which shocked everyone in 2006 with the revelation that there is "no hard evidence against Osama Bin Laden".

In reality, it is the truth activists who are showing signs of healthy skepticism.
 
sonya
why has my comment been published?
 
Travis Lupick
@sonya: I assume you meant to ask why your comment has not been published.

It has. You posted your comment in response to a Georgia Straight poll, and not in response to this article.

You can find your comment here.
 
LMT
Mr Leier, people don't reject the OFFICIAL bin Laden- kidney diaylsis, caveman, kamikazzi Conspiracy Theory because they dislike the Cheney-Bush cabal (as disdainful as it was) but because the very narrative itself is implausible from an engineering, aeronautic etc.

Political persuasions do not explain how the laws of physics are defied.

There are numerous groups questioning the official conspiracy theory including: Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, Pilots for 9/11 Truth, Firefighters for 9/11 Truth etc.

**Check out the hundreds of government, intelligence and military officials who reject the official account at patriotsquestion911.org, and ask yourself why the voices of such highranking insiders have been censored from media coverage.
 
Sheesh
sonya, your comment hasn't been published because we can't handle your truth.
 
WJC847
Lee Moller

I find it rather fascinating that so-called "skeptics" aren't the least bit skeptical of challenging official claims that hold no water but that are obediently regurgitated by a largely complicit, controlled media.

Their selective "skepticism" seems to be reserved for those who challenge the officially sanctified version of events only.

They roll out the red, carpet of no questions asked when it comes to coddling the patently absurd official version of what took place on Sept. 11th.
 
WCJ847
For those like Moller who use the hackneyed,evidence-avoiding argument that "thousands" would need to be in on it and therefore foul play couldn't have been involved, I have two words for you...

OPERATIONS GLADIO .... probably 99.??% of people have never heard of it yet it was probably the largest false flag operation in history unfolding over DECADES... so how did they get away with it...

For someone who regard himself as a "skeptic" I find it laughable that Moller
is so grossly naive as to the mechanisms by which false flag operations are carried out and potential whistleblowers are silenced.
 
WCJ847
Re. Mark Leier,

I find it troubling that someone who has a position as a Professor of History- who should be well versed in the numerous documented false flag operations that have been carried out throughout history to implement covert agendas, is unable to spot such a classic false flag operation as 9/11

9/11 was not only a classic false flag operation but a sloppy one.

Methinks the good professor should educate himself as to the single greatest contorter of history and the most effective ploy for inciting invasions and other agendas - the FALSE FLAG OPERATION
 
LMT
www.patriotsquestion911.org (com)


"... all roads pass through Dick Cheney." comment re. 9/11 involvement from:

Lt. Col. Robert Bowman, U.S. Airforce (ret) for head of Missle Defense,
PhD, Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering, recipient of Einsenhower Medal
and dozens of prestigious awards


"I knew from 9/18/01 that the official story about 9/11 was false. Anomalies poured in rapidly: the hijackers' names appearing in none of the flight passenger lists... The obvious demoliltions of WTC 1,2, and 7 and the
lack of certifiable Boeing 757 wreckage at the Pentagon"

Capt. Gregory Zeigler, U.S. Army, PhD, former U.S. Army Intelligence Officer

"After five years of talking to people in the intelligence community, in the
military, foreign intelligence agencies, from the air traffic controll community
and the FAA, I came to the conclusion that what we saw on 9/11 was the
result of a highly compartmentalization, covert operation..."

Wayne Madsen, former U.S. Navy Intelligence Officer, Specialist in Electronic Surveillance and Security

"After four years of research, I'm 100% convinced that the attacks of September 11th were planned, organized and committed by treasonous
perpetrators that have infiltrated the highest levels of government..."

Lt. Col. G. Razor, MS, U.S. Airforce Ret. fmr instructor, USAF Fighter Weapons School and NATO Tactical Leadership

A few of many, many voices of government, military, intelligence insiders
who've been censored from media exposure...
 
Dana
where was NORAD?
a multi-billion dollar defense system that wasn't there on 9/11 2001

thanks GS for bringing attention to a very important issue.
 
RealitySlap
Leier and Moller are classic examples of ostrich mentality with a venner of pseudo-intellectualism. In their line of "thinking", facts and evidence have absolutely nothing to do with the issues. By simply ignoring them, they can make up any hypothesis and create strawman arguments to their hearts' content.

Does anyone actually listen to or take such people seriously? Is it fear that makes them think this way, or have they been ingrained so long under the Delusion of the System that 2+2=5 makes perfect sense?
 
David V.
Reality Slap- Your excellent comment summed things up very well.

I read some while back of a poll conducted in Germany where a very significant percentage of the population believed 9-11 was an inside job.

In my time in Europe, I've found people to be far more savvy and aware of historical deceptions including 9-11... Though there is media control there, too, Europeans tend to be more historically literate, less insular in their
belief systems and in the case of some countries have actually been given
mainstream access to experts who de-construct the official 9-11 story
presented.
 
glen p robbins
Do the truthseekers have an office near the BC Legislature?
 
DJBALL
The only thing we really know about 911 is that the Official Story is a complete fraud filled with more holes than a heroine prostitute.
It's high time the relatives of the murdered got some real answers instead of a stonewalled whitewash delivered with mainstream media complicity.
They lied about WMD's, yellowcake, election results, Jessica Lynch, Mission Accomplished, The statue toppling in Baghdad, the torture at Abu Ghraib Gitmo etc....Pat Tillman i could go on for hours on Bush administration lies but yet some of you still believe they're telling you the truth about 911 even though the Bush/Cheney narrative defies physics and common sense.
Thanks to the Georgia Straight for the article and the fine men and women of the Vancouver 911 Truth Society.
 
albury
I think we should investigate Richard Gage, not the WTC collapses, which have already been investigated by much more qualified, competent, and honest people. The NIST engineers were only able to time the top 18 stories, or 242', of the collapse of WTC 7's facade, and determined that it took 5.4 seconds, yet he claims that the entire 610' collapse only took ~6.5 seconds. Did the other 368' fall in just over 1 second? How is he even able to give us a time for the entire visible portion of the collapse when NIST couldn't because buildings in the foreground blocked the view of video cameras?
How could the towers have free fallen when the loose, airborne debris from their upper stories was falling so much faster than the collapse zones, and began hitting the ground while at least 40 stories in each were still intact? Was g increased on 9/11? They fell in ~15 and ~22 seconds respectively, nowhere near the ~9.25 seconds free fall would have taken:

http://www.youtube.com/user/RKOwens4#p/u/40/qLShZOvxVe4

yet he begins every presentation with his near free-fall claim. He's also claimed that the dust clouds from the collapses were pyroclastic, but there are no reports of anyone's skin being instantly peeled off, and he's claimed that the fires in WTC 7 were minor, totally contradicting these NYC eyewitnesses:

http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/eyewitnessaccountsofwtc7fires
http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/accountsofwtc7damage
http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/eyewitnessaccountsofthewithdrawalf...

How could his claim that 400,000 yards of concrete were turned to fine powder be true, when there was <100,000 yards of concrete above grade in both towers combined? Does he know how to turn 400,000 yards of concrete to fine powder with explosives without leveling NYC?
Has he ever seen a controlled demolition that left molten metal in the debris for months? Has he ever seen one that didn't leave even one explosively-cut column in the debris? Since he claims that explosives were planted in the core columns to start the collapses, and that it was done from elevators shafts, has he ever looked a floor plan of the cores above the 78th floor sky lobby? There were only 6 regular elevators above there, plus a freight and 2 express elevators, and they were only near 6 of the 47 core columns. Several of those were in the paths of the planes, and the perimeter columns collapsed first, so his "theory" doesn't even make sense, especially considering the fact that 30 or more stories of core framing stood 15-25 seconds after each tower's main collapse was over.
We should investigate Richard Gage, as well as his "engineers."

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=3834688&postcount=12
 
Matty K.
A lot of these "truth seekers" were convinced that the Vancouver Olympics would be the site for a catastrophic false flag operation.

Couldn't be that someone is a little diluted?
 
RealityCheck
These people are the poster kids for why we need to reopen Riverview.
 
TheParadigmShift
@ Albury

You're quoting NIST?

NIST is a group paid by the government to support the official lie.

AE911truth is a group of engineers and architects NOT paid by the government who have nothing to gain and everything to lose.

Are you a denier of corruption?
Can you honestly look at the demolition of world Trade Center Building 7 and tell me that fire did that?

WTC7 Any Questions?

 
Dana
There is a mountain of evidence that proves the official story of 9/11 is false. where do I start? Lucky Larry says 'Pull It'...then building WTC7 implodes into its own footprint... where did they get the time to load the building with explosives needed for proper demolition?

WTC 1 and 2 didn't so much explode, but rather became dust... Since when, can jet fuel melt steel and turn concrete into dust? We won't mention that millions of tons of steel, concrete and office equipment were ejected from the crash site. wow!

The planes did not survive the impact, the buildings did not survive the impact, the black boxes in the planes did not survive the impact... Mohammad Atta did not survive the impact, however, Mohammad Atta's passport did survive and was found intact near the ruins of the WTC complex. wow!

Within hours of the event, the FBI fingered 19 Arab men as the culprits. Within two weeks of the events seven of those men came forward and denied any knowledge or participation. And yet, 9 years later, the US media still promotes the lie that 19 Arab men hijacked those planes.

After nine years; over a million Iraqi's dead, horrible devastation to the environment, billions of dollars wasted and the public is still asleep.

Wake up!
 
Judy Cross
There has been a major breakthrough.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/corporate-news-runs-911-truth-ae-911truth-co...

The ability of supposed skeptics to come down on the side whatever government sponsored scam is going down is truly amazing.
 
Mack
Funny how unblinking fealty to any half-baked, underfunded, politically-driven and basically illegitimate government commission makes you a "skeptic" these days!
 
Monkey Man
Boy, this one sure brought out the wingnuts!
 
LMT
Matty

- It's precisely because there was so much info out re. potential false flag activity during the Olympics that one may well have been averted.

The greatest enemy of a potential false flag is public awarenss and EXPOSURE.

Bottom line, had those raising legitimate concerns re. the forementioned gotten no exposure, we don't know that something might not have happened.

The best way to stop a potential false flag is to unmask it! Thanks to those who did just that.
 
Michael Hey
Thank you Carlito Pablo and the Georgia Straight, not just for this wonderful article, but also for the fair headline: "Vancouver Truth Seekers Question 9/11". Surely in the not so distant past, that headline would have read: "Conspiracy Theorists Question 9/11"

Public perception of this event has drastically shifted over the past number of years and the media is beginning to reflect that. Today the Real News Network featured an excellent interview with Peter Dale Scott, questioning the official narrative of 9/11.

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&I...

In this wonderful and very short TED presentation, Derek Sivers demonstrates that it takes only one follower to transform a lone nut into a leader.

http://www.ted.com/talks/derek_sivers_how_to_start_a_movement.html

I think we have a movement!

@ Matty K.

Yes, I'm feeling a little bit diluted, LOL.
 
TheParadigmShift
@ Monkey Man

Insults are the last desperate act of someone with no argument.
 
Peter F
If you want the Real Truth about the Truther watch South Park: Mystery of the Urinal Duece. I think Trey and Seth's conclusion that the conspiracy is really behind the orgin of the 911 truthers. That being to avoid looking like a bunch of imbecilles, the US government creates the 911truth.org to make them look like they have the intelligence to pull of this massive conspiracy.

Kyle: So then, who was responsible for 9-11?
Stan: What do you mean? A bunch of pissed off Muslims.
Frank Hardly: Yeah, what are you, retarded?
 
Don C
There's several DVD's on subject starting with Loose Change. The one that I consider to be a must watch by us tin foil hat wearers is " Core Of Corruption, In The Shadows". I've got another called " National Security Alert" that presents some good evidence about the 9/11 Pentagon incident. It's interesting to read the deniers comments, I love The ParadigmShift comment, I will use it. When I first started looking into this, there weren't very many of us but it's led me to ask by whom and why. As far as George W and cronies go, they're the shills not the orchestrators. It's time for the curtain to be pulled back and the agenda exposed
 
FTOF
Well, at least we know where the conspiracy nuts and "truthers" are - safely at their computers frothing over a Straight article and madly clicking 'Agree' next to all the wingnuttery...
 
DJBALL
@ Matty K

Had you been receiving the information i was being fed leading up to the games you would have s*** in your pants.

I stand by the false flag piece and am proud to have helped produce it.

Right before the games WeAreChangeVancouver was getting emails from insiders talking about massive problems with security cameras at the athletes village, 2 known Al Qaeda members let in at YVR and a security fuck up so bad that Airport Security officials we're completely freaking out, we held onto most of these leads as we didnt want to endanger the athletes further and decided to keep them out of our False Flag piece. A friend of mine who was opposed to the video segment changed his tune immediately when i shared the emails and filled him in with the rest of the picture.
Thankfully nothing happened and the games went off without any attacks, i'm glad our media was discussing false flag at the start of the games. We will never know if we stopped anything but at least we tried.
We knew we would face this type of ridicule from clowns like yourself and the other name calling Bush believers.
We knew there was no upside to this piece but felt it was worth doing even if there was only a 1% chance of another false flag.
We put our name and faces on the line while the cowards sit back under alias' and are only able to parrot the same ad hominem attacks that only Bush Believers are able to muster.
"wingnuts, tin foil hat...blah blah.."

come talk that tough guy s**t to our faces.


In hindsight we might have been getting fed them to help
 
DJBALL
@ matty k
i made a video talking about just that.
we said many times
" IF Vancouver gets hit then we should take a real hard look at a false flag scenario and not jump to any conclusions."

"IF" not "When"
There is a huge difference, get your facts straight.

 
Monkey Man
Yeah yeah, we know. It was the shape-shifting lizards from the fourth dimension and the Zionist conspiracy.
 
Matty K.
LMT,

Really, then why pull a false flag on the World Trade Center? It is at the center of global attention as a center of WORLD TRADE.

DJBALL,

You think you were the only one looking into security issues during the Olympics? Much of the claims turned out to be false, because anyone with a computer running something stronger than a Pentium could have found many claims to be false. Was there a gunman running through the crowd downtown cutting down any civilian? No. What about a plane hijacking by domestic cells? Nope.

Really the evidence is hugely against what you're claiming, because you're more than likely taking info from the same morons I heard from. People do like to mess with the "open minded" just for fun.
 
MrNogatco
<--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------->
official version truth? truthers' version
 
MrNogatco
DJBALL writes: "The only thing we really know about 911 is that the Official Story is a complete fraud filled with more holes than a heroine prostitute."

What's your beef with courageous prostitutes DJBALL?

For a guy who expects to be taken seriously your ad hominem attacks (calling people who hold different viewpoints from your own "clowns" etc.) and denigrating "heroine" prostitutes detracts from your supposed credibility.

ps - Ever consider releasing the evidence that would have scared us all shitless to the public/media?


 
Dana
Monkey Man - when you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.

so far, you are the only one to mention lizards.
: P

 
RealityCheck
Koo-Koo Bananas!
 
Truth Party
Enough of this. The TRUTH PARTY launches with an historic speech on the Vancouver Art Gallery steps next Saturday the 18th at NOON.

This is not about left/right. It's about right/wrong.

Our governments and media lie to you continuously, yet you believe them when they discuss this day.

As a fact, this was a domestic military/intelligence operation executed to achieve a short-term military agenda and a long-term fascist police state agenda.

We are past the point of opinion.

Ask yourself why a political party, who seeks to guarantee that a politician can never lie to you again without instant consequence, would never be mentioned to you by mainstream media conglomerates who are all fully aware of this platform.

Mandatory, pre-signed letters of resignation, signed in advance, so that in the event that a politician is caught in a lie, they are immediately removed from office. Furthermore, they will be personally responsible for the cost of the subsequent election that is necessary to replace themselves. The taxpayers weren't the ones lying, so they should not have to pay the costs of recall, referendums or extra elections.

Ask yourself also why Jon McComb gave me TWO segments. He knows. He is American. And well-versed in the private Federal Reserve ponzi-scheme network that has seized control of the governments of this continent, including BC's, which is why your Premier visited Bilderberg. He's now a 'made-man'. Job well done on bringing in the HST, for his masters.

They ALL serve the same masters, not you the people. Which is why, on issues that matter to the banks, they are in 100% unison, regardless of which party they represent. See: Afghanistan, HST, Bank bailouts, Terror attacks, Pandemics, etc.

Don't feel bad about falling for these deceptions. We all did. We all believed that the 9/11 killers had to pay. But instead, we are paying them. With interest.

Leave your prejudices at home. This is not about Jews or Muslims, or bogus distractions. See you Saturday at Noon. Countdown to Revolution.


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My name is Jamie Scott. 604-719-7417. truthpartyproject@yahoo.com. All comments and discussions welcomed. We all need to talk. I will bring two mics. And we can have the world's largest town hall.
 
SUSANNE SPRINGHILLS
I CANT WAIT FOR THE SPEECH!!!!!!
 
LMT
Matty K.

Re. why use the WTC for a false flag because the vast majority of people
are utterly false flag illiterate like you...

It's only SINCE 9/11 that more and more people have even woken up-
some the hard way after years of denial - to what a false flag operation is -

It's because of 9/11 that more and more people have their antenna up
and though the majority are still flase flag illiterate and can be readily
manipulated by fearmongering etc... growing numbers are using their
critical faculties to question the gospel of official and follow the money
and power trail of who benefits from false flag operations.
 
William
Survey the comments by those questioning the official 9/11 line and then
look at the juvenile name calling by the likes of FTOF, Monkey Man and Co.

If FTOF and Monkey Man want a look at the real wingnuts they ought to look
straight into a mirror.

The live footage aired on 9/11 is full of eye witness reports that completely contradict the official line - any wonder that such footage is never re-aired.

But FTOF and Monkey Man believe that a GUY IN A CAVE - on "long distance" diaylsis at that - brought the world's most sophisticated military industrial complex to its knees not once, not twice but repeatidly on a single day...

Ha, ha, ha!!! Talk about mindcontrolled wingnuts!!!
 
Darren Pearson
It is a sad thing to see someone that is a history professor make up his mind about an event while refusing to look at any research or evidence on the subject. I would love the opportunity to debate this subject with this fraud.
Now...for the skeptic, I am sure this is the first example of skeptics having accepted unquestioning the governments version of events hook line and sinker.
 
Troofies on roofies
Every single wack-nut conspiracy theory of the troofer troopers has been debunked, but just like global warming deniers, they don't listen to reason. Easier to believe that the world is black and white.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0972353/
 
Leonardo
WTC 7
 
Mack
The 9/11 Commission Report has been dismissed as a whitewash by mainstream critics as much as anybody else. The Commission operated in secrecy. It was conspicuously underfunded. It was staffed by insiders who had in other capacities helped to minimize state crimes going back to Iran-Contra. It ignored two thirds of the 400 questions submitted to it by the Family Steering Committee. It completely ignored all questions of terror financing. It failed to address the red flags raised by federal agencies who were told to look the other way by other federal agencies. It had an obvious mandate to make the evidence fit the conclusion. It was, to say the least, an inadequate investigation considering the significance of the event.

Skeptics can’t Occam’s Razor their way out of this. The Kean-Hamilton report was a monumental failure, and for that reason alone – in a rational fucking world – the investigation would be reopened, and left to operate independently and free of highly questionable and mysterious national security concerns. Quite simply, 9/11 has not been seriously investigated outside of the work done by dedicated citizens who must also deal with the contempt of the media. Skeptics, you enable this scenario when you fail or refuse to bring yourselves up to speed with the issue.

But you aren’t interested in honest or respectful debate. Both Moller and Leier prefer to offer pseudo-psychological rhubarb. How on earth are either of these men an authority on 9/11? I’m sure the likes of Peter Dale Scott and Nafeez Ahmed would be very interested in Leier’s diagnosis of their cognitive failings. Such astounding arrogance. The irony being that we only know about things like GLADIO because ordinary people have agitated against massive official resistance and criticism to bring information into the open. Moller and Leier apparently would have stood in their way.

Anyway, here’s the really crazy thing - personally I think 9/11 Truth is fairly irrelevant and addresses just one in a long, long line of covert acts of Empire that needs to be made transparent (and certainly not by focusing on controlled demolition, which I think is a tactical error). But I find the arguments of people like Moller and his supporters here so tired, so bankrupt, so intellectually dishonest and misguided that I end up having to waste my time on a message board because I hate to see the last word going to somebody who argues out of his hat.
 
Danny Sandberg
I can never erase that haunting image of Dubya at Saratoga, sitting and fidgeting like a schoolkid who's just pee'd his pants and doesn't want anyone to find out. There's no shock at all in his face, he's just playing his part in the big game of letting it all happen on Purpose, knowing that if he follows the script, he can become a top gun war president hero, and go get that big prize of oil wealth that had eluded him his whole pathetic life.

Remember one thing: everyone in power and global security saw 9/11 coming months ahead of time. The CIA, Mossad, ISI, Kremlin, the whole sneaky bunch. Yet Cheney, Rumsie and gang had NORAD conduct numerous war games that same day just to confuse the FAA, and then told the Air Force to stand down from normal operating procedures for 3 of the hijacks.

Those in the know definitely had time to wire the core columns of the 3 WTC buildings for CD, so that the 2 tall ones wouldn't fall over sideways and make an even bigger mess of Manhatten real estate, and the third one - WTC7 contained a massive amount of circumstantial evidence that had to be disappeared.

The only ones caught by surprise on 9/11 were the multitudes of people who still think of their government as a benevolent father figure, who still think capitalism is fair play, and those who follow blind faith more than bright reality.

If you really want reality ten years later, petition the Pentagon to publicly release just one good video from just one of dozens of CCTV cameras that encircle that building. What that video reveals will probably answer lots of burning questions I'm sure, which is why the innocent people of this world have so far been denied the right to honest answers from a legitimate criminal investigation.
 
welldoneson
Europe is no model of "savvy" or awareness of historical deceptions.
They've never forgiven the U. S. for rescuing them from the NAZI's.
I've seen writings that blame the U. S. and USSR for the war.

Euro reluctance to accept the reality of the threat of Islam mirrors the stupidity of our homegrown "truthers", who don't seem to realize that their hare-brained and comical attempts to show 9/11 was done by U.S. interests plays right into the hands of Islamists. Heck, some of these goofballs think there ARE no "Islamists", they're just a CIA plot.

Too fun.

Aside from the obvious falsehoods such as "the towers went down at free fall speed" or "nanothermite cut the supports", there is the little matter of the four missing planes, passengers, and crew.

Hear someone who sees what is going on and is in Europe right now trying to make them understand:
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2010/09/mark-steyn-on-danish-
television.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
 
RealityCheck
I hear there's good money to be made to write books and hold lectures for "truthers".

...just sayin'
 
DJBALL
When losing a discussion on the facts of 9/11, a so-called 9/11 "debunker" will often rely on an old canard to "prove" that 9/11 could not have been an inside job: "So many people want their quarter hour of fame that even the Men in Black couldn't squelch the squealers from spilling the beans," write self-satisfied defenders of the government story. According to the logic of this argument, if there are no 9/11 whistleblowers then 9/11 was not an inside job.

So what if there are 9/11 whistleblowers?

http://www.corbettreport.com/articles/20100305_911_whistleblowers.htm
 
 
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