Fight HST organizers fuming after first recall campaign rejected

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Bill Vander Zalm is calling for the resignation of the acting chief electoral officer after the first application to recall a Liberal MLA was rejected on the grounds that it was too long.

In a letter to Michael Hayes, the proponent of the campaign to recall Oak Bay-Gordon Head MLA Ida Chong, acting chief electoral officer Craig James wrote that the statement submitted with the application "exceeded the 200 word limit".

Chris Delaney, one of the Fight HST campaign organizers, said the application was rejected because the acronyms MLA and HST were considered to be eight words, rather than two.

Fight HST organizer Bill Vander Zalm is calling for James’s resignation following the rejection of the application.

“It’s sort of the straw that broke the camel’s back, this pattern of obstruction from Elections B.C. ever since Craig James became acting electoral officer,” Delaney told the Straight by phone. “It’s a deliberate attempt to sabotage the recall process.”

Michael Hayes, the proponent of the Oak Bay-Gordon Head recall campaign, said he delivered a revised application to Elections B.C. in Victoria today, and he has requested a meeting with the acting chief electoral officer.

"We're extremely angry at what we see as a continued manipulation of the process and interference from Mr. Craig James," he said.

Hayes said he has re-filed the application with a revised petition statement, but they were told they couldn't use the 150 signed canvasser applications that were submitted with the original submission.

"The issue that is outstanding for us is that Mr. James is saying that the canvasser applications...are now invalid, that they were attached to the original application and that we must now get new canvasser applications from everyone," he told the Straight by phone today (November 25).

"We've asked to be shown where in the act that's stated, and we haven't had a reply to that yet."

An Elections B.C. staff member said they would not be making any comment.

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Island Man
The one that should be arrested is Craig James
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glen p robbins
If I were advising George Abbott, I would tell him to phone Craig James personally - and let him know if he becomes premier the first thing he will do is move the Referendum up and the second will be to fire him.

Imagine, pulling this stunt on the day you announce your leadership.
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A
This is beginning to smell...if you don't agree with us you should resign be recalled etc...no room for dissenting opinions with this group and laws, rules and regualtions do not apply to them...I didn't like the HST but these people are starting to irk me.
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RonS
Well they have thrown down the gauntlet haven't they. Once this mess is finally over in the 2013 election it's time for a house cleaning. A total overhaul of the beaurocracy is needed. Toss out all pro-business bureauocrats and get people with the Province in mind as a first priority. I have no sympathy for beaurocrats that have impeded democracy. Clear them all out, fire everyone in the PAB and top ministry officials.
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Gil Luckham
In his letter to the proponent, the Acting Chief Electoral Officer referred him to the provisions in the Recall and Initiative Act that are to be complied with.

He was referred to section 19(2)(c) of Recall and Initiative Act - Number of words in proponent statement -

"Elections BC will count the number of words in the statement as if the written statement was being read aloud. Further, abbreviations, numerals, acronyms and initialisms will be read as if they were written in full."

Here we go again with these people, who are using the Recall and Initiative Act and don't want to comply with the rules. Maybe it is time that they get out of the game! Enough already.
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FromBCeh
This ruling on word counts is clearly an attempt to disqualify a valid recall campaign. Craig James exceeded his legislated authority when he refused to submit the successful HST petition to the Legislature, and now he is showing that he is truly partisan by making up new rules (acronyms count as multiple words) in order to obstruct citizens engaged in the democratic process. His actions are an embarrassment to the public service and an insult to the reputation of independence of Elections BC. Resign NOW!
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David S
Agree or disagree with HST or any of the other guidelines in place to protect everyone, however it seems the recall proponents would rather here their voices rise up than follow simple procedures. This may look bad on Government, but I respectfully submit, it is beginning to look very bad on Mr. Vander Zalm. If in fact this government goes down to defeat in 2 years, I feel sorry for the new government who replaces them. Memories can be short, and I see much of the same useless rhetoric in our futures.
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Bruno15
Clearly this "issue" this morning was drummed up by Zalm and his merry band of swashbuckling recallers. Could the legislation be any clearer on the use of acronyms??

They don't have a marketing budget so they hit the mornig news with these phony issues to get everyone a bit more motivated. Pathetic.
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glen p robbins
Thanks Gil - the website says 200 words or less. The section you quote appears to be the only depiction of how the application and words are to be dealt with. Vander Zalm asserts in his news release:

DELTA – Fight HST Leader Bill Vander Zalm is calling for the resignation of Elections BC Acting Chief Electoral Officer Craig James in the wake of his decision to reject the application for Recall by Oak Bay-Gordon Head proponent Michael Roy Hayes on the basis that the Recall statement attached to the petition application is “too long”.

Vander Zalm says in a letter to Recall proponent Hayes, James said he considers the words “MLA” and “HST” to be not two words, but a total of eight words (Member of the Legislative Assembly and Harmonized Sales Tax) on each reference, resulting in the application statement exceeding the 200 word allotment.

Craig James needs to explain what Elections BC is doing here---or hunting starts.
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Taxed Mann
In my experience bureaucratic behaviour falls in a range. At one end is what I consider "good" bureaucrats. Their actions are guided by an awareness that they are paid by taxpayers to serve the public If someone isn't clear about rules that are ambiguous, they are helpful, explain to the applicant how the rules are interpreted, and keep things moving efficiently.

At the other end is the "bad" bureaucrats. Their behaviour is obstructionist. They have an exaggerated opinion of themselves and the roles they play in society. If you don't cross every "I" and dot every "T" according to their unstated or ambiguous rules, they will use their authority to impede you with complete intransigence to the inconvenience and cost. They're like a flag-person on a deserted back road that will make an ambulance stop and wait, for no reason other than someone gave them the authority to make an ambulance stop and wait. Chances are their classmates in high school thought they were dorks and unless they grow up they will be dorks all their lives.

Whether I agree with recall or not, it seems to me that the opportunity was there to facilitate rather than obstruct by courteously pointing out to the applicant that acronyms will be interpreted as more than one word. I can't find where the Act says one way or the other. But acting expediently deprives a bureaucrat the opportunity to puff himself up and raise his department's profile. It also can indicate that the bureaucrat is partisan when he is not supposed to be.
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glen p robbins
More sense of good opinion in this blogstream than in government for nearly a decade imo
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Neil B
I believe the central word in Craig James Title is "Acting", as in start acting like an adminstrator of the people, your obviously not working for us, so just whose chicken boy are you?
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Sharon Best
Gil Luckham, at 12:03 wrote:

"He was referred to section 19(2)(c) of Recall and Initiative Act - Number of words in proponent statement -

"Elections BC will count the number of words in the statement as if the written statement was being read aloud. Further, abbreviations, numerals, acronyms and initialisms will be read as if they were written in full."

Here's what the actual legislation in 19.2.c says:

19 (1) A registered voter for an electoral district may apply under subsection (2) for the issuance of a petition for the recall of the Member of the Legislative Assembly for that electoral district.

(2) The application for the issuance of a recall petition must be made to the chief electoral officer and contain the following:

(a) the name of the Member;

(b) the name and residential address of the applicant;

(c) a statement, not exceeding 200 words, setting out why, in the opinion of the applicant, the recall of the Member is warranted;

It does NOT say that acronyms (defined as a word in all major dictionaries) will be counted in the manner suggested.

Furthermore, the guidelines regarding acronyms were not added to the Elections BC website until AFTER the petition application was made.

Making up the rules as he goes along? James must resign.

http://www.donewithdalton.com/2010/11/25/proof-that-elections-bc-added-n...



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Taxed Mann
Sharon Best, thanks for that link. I encourage everyone to look at it and see how Elections BC has really coughed up a hairball by waiting until AFTER the recall petition was received to publicize their interpretation of what constitutes a word. I have a word for them: SNAFU!
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Taxpayers R Us
James' resignation needed. This is a desperate stone-wall, an attempt to try and maintain control after Campbell's resignation, until such a time when they have another Campbell-like spokesperson.
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RunningFrog
Why are we not closing down Our Vancouver Airport until the next vote has been completed?!
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Peter F
Why do't you all go out and do something useful? Perhaps raise some money, food, and supplies for the homeless. Too much energy is being wasted on these recall campaigns. We all get it. Taxes suck. However, so few will benefit from moving away from HST back to PST and GST it really is a red herring argument. There is so much hyperbole surrounding this is. Yes the BC Liberals mislead us but these Anti-HST and Recall Campaigner are equally or more misleading in their reasons for both.
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glen p robbins
If I may. Veteran political commentator for Global, Keith Baldrey made some good comments including: why didn't the proponent simply write a one line sentence (one line to make the point that it is WELL under the 200 words or less) - rather than skate the letter of the law. Second, Baldrey said that Craig James actually did Vander Zalm a favour - if Ida Chong had been successfully Recalled - she could have Appealed the Recall based on the letter of the legislation. Even though Ms. Best does well to counter Gil Luckham's comments, one can readily see how Mr. Baldrey's point is well taken.

However this is politics and I don't believe that Mssrs. Vander Zalm - Delaney - Tieleman et al - and specifically the proponent for the Recall initiative in Oak Bay are receiving the credit they deserve for good political play. First, Craig James politicized the office after his decision to ignore the (successful) Petition Initiative and go to the courts - giving his actions more the appearance of political favourtism - to the Petition application of big business in support of the HST - which BC Supreme Court Justice Baumann eventually kicked out in short order. Politically, Zalm - Delaney et al big winners, BC Liberal government and Craig James big and moderate losers.

By walking the word threshold count - which to the average person means nothing against the rationale for why Recall is going forward - historical hatred in BC for the HST-----Bill Vander Zalm (as Wyatt Earp) et al force Craig James to this position - which is either defended or reviled, the latter more likely to have traction for the reasons already mentioned.

The delay in commencing the Recall process against Ida Chong provides Zalm et al with an opportunity to move through the process and chronologically compel a later decision by Elections BC beyond the February 26, 2011 leadership election of George Abbott - I mean- the BC Liberal leadership contenders----------Ida Chong will have 2 Cabinet portfolios - the second just recently bestowed upon her by departing Premier Campbell. If I'm Abbott or anyone else - I'm not going to be too happy - particularly if Chong gets crushed----any momentum the new leader may garner starts flying out the window.

If its close and Chong wins -- there will be alot of doubters out there - given how Elections BC's credibility is at half tank - and perceived by some--along with other Independent agencies of government = not to be quite so Independent. As the mistrust of government, the bureaucracy and Independent agencies increases - so does the desire for a greater element of populism in the electoral stage - which makes the controlling establishment institutions increasingly nervous.

If Zalm et al start late - and it appears they are being tripped up/wrongly/rightly or in between ---- and then if they are swift and successful against Chong -- following their historical win on the Petition --------- the assumption will follow that they will continue to win and Campbell's resignation isn't enough. This will be disaster for the BC Liberals as they approach February 26, 2011 will the opportunity for comeback available -- with New Democrats working out their problems.

A successful Recall could reignite solidarity in the NDP caucus - unless the BC Liberal leadership candidates unplug the Zalm influence by moving up the HST fast--lessening the demand for further Recalls (possibly).
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RonS
Glen the recalls are going ahead regardles. There is so much more to recall them on than the HST. The HST was simply the ignition for the gasoline. It's gone beyond the HST now. Simply, it's about how this corrupt government view the public. I believe they think we're morons. Moving up the HST referendum will prove that we, the people are winning. More fuel for the recall, because if it forced them to move the referendum date, it proves they're scared. We when we win the recall, there is going to be a rush on toilet paper!
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RonS
Glenn, Keith Baldry is a mouthpiece for the LIberalS. His wife works for the PAB I believe and I'm sure that colours his opinion. I guess he wants to keep her working.

If you look up what constitutes a word in the Oxford Dictionary, you'll note that they were under the 200 word limit. This is, no doubt about it, a delaying tactic that will fail.
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