It's no secret that Kanye West talks a lot of shit. The
well-dressed rapper-producer is as famous for headline-grabbing
rants as he is for his gorgeous, soul-drenched beats and gutsy,
drawling rhymes. West's more notorious moments have found him
bitching at the American Music Awards when he lost the coveted
best-new-artist spot, announcing that magazines should pay for
the privilege of having him on the cover, taking shots at U.S.
President George Bush during a network-televised benefit for the
victims of Hurricane Katrina, and calling out Toronto radio
station Flow 93.5 for censoring the phrase white girl on his
recent single "Gold Digger". In between such exhaustively
reported outbursts, he's found time to sing his own praises at
every possible opportunity. He owns it all on the track "Diamonds
From Sierra Leone" off his recently released sophomore Late
Registration, when he raps: "What more could you ask for? The
international asshole/Who complains about what he's owed/Throw a
tantrum like he three years old/You gotta love it, though,
somebody still speaks from his soul." Confident? Definitely.
Cocky? Um, yeah.
But, as anyone can tell you, the man has a lot to boast about
right now. The details of his rise from basement producer to
international rap star are well-known. The story of West, who was
raised by a professor mother and a minister father, is one of
middle-class striving mixed with Everyman angst. After bouncing
out of college, and a stint folding T-shirts at The Gap, he sold
a beat to Roc-A-Fella Records, and went on to craft some of the
most breathtaking scores of the decade for Jay-Z's magnum opus
The Blueprint, establishing himself as the go-to beatmaker for
urban music. West then convinced Hova to let him rap, crashed his
Lexus, almost died, released his 2004 debut College Dropout, sold
millions of records, changed the hip-hop game forever by uniting
radio-friendly rap with the underground backpack sensibility,
picked up a couple Grammys, and got invited on The Oprah Winfrey
Show-all the while baiting the press with a never-ending stream
of combative comments.
However accurate the "cocky genius" take on West is, though,
it's more than a little played out. Ever since his haunting
"Through the Wire" catapulted him from behind the boards to the
centre of press scrums, journalists the world over have been
writing the MC to death. They call him an enigma, clearly
fascinated that a hip-hop star could don pink Polo shirts, rhyme
about religion, and steer clear of gunplay-yet somehow still
exude enough swagger, enough puffed-up braggadocio, to match the
hardest of thugged-out rappers. Writers invariably stick to the
same script: lead with some slick comment about how conceited
West is, move on to marvel at his contradictions (a Benz and a
backpack! An iced-out Jesus-piece and a social conscience! Weed,
sex, and church!), and then, at some point-either grudgingly or
respectfully-admit that West's music manages to live up to the
deafening hype that surrounds him. Wrap it all up by making
another reference to his arrogance. West, of course, has
gleefully provided them with truckloads of quotes to that
end.
All of this is why you're hoping, sitting in an office at the
Straight waiting for West to call in from Toronto, that he
doesn't go off during the interview. But you soon find out that
asking Kanye to skip the drama is pretty much like asking Kanye
to, well, not be Kanye.
Despite the fact that the conversation gets off to a good
start, it doesn't take long to get in a scrap with West. The
first round is kicked off when the distracted MC-who's taking
other calls while barking at the driver that's shuttling him to
MuchMusic-is lobbed an admittedly cringe-worthy query: "What do
you want people to know about you?"
"That's a very commonly asked question, and I'm running out of
new stuff to say," he scolds. "That's one of the most
cliché-'What do you like better, rapping or producing?' 'Did your
life change after the [car] accident?' 'If there's one thing you
want people to know, what would it be?' 'What's one good thing
your mother taught you?' I'll just run them down."
Ouch.
Of course, this doesn't stop West from proceeding to confirm
the most clichéd aspect of his personality: that he loves to brag
about himself. When Late Registration is brought up, he spits a
new, boastful rhyme into the phone: "I didn't do no sophomore
slump/I did the sophomore Jordan jump." Kanye explains that he
set out to make an album as good as Stevie Wonder's Songs in the
Key of Life. "You know, people have a real problem with me even
thinking like that," he notes. "But that's the type of thinking
that makes new music-that makes things special-when you compete
against the best. There's so many loser-ass rappers that call me
and name all these rappers that aren't really good, and say, 'I'm
better than them.' Well, dog, are you better than Jay? Shut up
then. Can you compete with Eminem, realistically? Shut up. I'm
working on 'Bring Me Down', trying to make a verse that I feel is
on the calibre of Emimen-if not better."
But it's not just this mildly irritating competitive spirit
that makes West's music so original-it's balls. It's rhyming
about Jesus when everyone else is getting their gangster on. And
then turning around and releasing the campy, crude "Workout Plan"
about chickenhead groupies ("It's a party tonight and ooh she's
so excited/Tell me who's invited/You, your friends, and my dick")
when folks are expecting another conscious joint from you. It's
courting underground, backpack heads, and then calling yourself
the Louis Vuitton Don and balling hard. And then criticizing
yourself for it ("Always said if I rapped I'd say something
significant/but now I'm rapping about money, hoes, and rent
again"). It's pushing past the superficial bullshit on "All Falls
Down" and revealing what balling is all about ("We living the
American Dream/The people highest up got the lowest
self-esteem….We shine cause they hate us, floss 'cause they
degrade us/We tryin' to buy back our 40 acres"). It's dropping
"Drive Slow" ("Fuck all that flirting, I'm trying' to get in some
drawers") and "Addiction" ("What's your addiction? Is it money,
is it girls, is it weed?/I've been afflicted by not one, not two,
but all three") on the same album. It's working with slick pop
producer Jon Brion, but sampling old soul legends Ray Charles and
Otis Redding. Finally-as XXL magazine music editor Bonsu Thompson
puts it-it's West's ability to pump out hot radio singles that
opt for the intelligent and irresistible instead of the
predictable and catchy.
This heady sense of risk, this refusal to toe a party line,
carries over into West's life outside the studio as well. It is
this very quality that triggered the rapper's now-infamous shot
at President Bush. More than any other public figure, Kanye
voiced what a lot of people were thinking at one of the most
pivotal times in recent American history. As the world watched
horrified by images of black people stranded, starving, and
dying, the U.S. media could not bring itself to acknowledge the
fact that the profound suffering of Hurricane Katrina was meted
out unequally. When Kanye charged that "George Bush doesn't care
about black people", he shattered a profound silence in the
United States mainstream, forcing both journalists and the public
to examine the role that race played in the tragedy. His comments
pushed Larry King and others to ask, "Is West right?", and opened
up a dialogue in American culture-a space that was quickly filled
by reporters like CNN's Anderson Cooper, who broke down on
television and refused to put a positive spin on the tragedy.
Almost as impressive, West managed to move the hip-hop
generation-the most critical, cynical set
conceivable-collectively to tears. Even the cranky blogsphere was
won over, with head blogger/music critic Oliver Wang leading the
pack: "Kanye...all the talk about your ego trippin', about your
diva-like behavior, about whatever... ALL IS FORGIVEN."
West is no longer interested in discussing his stand against
Bush, but when pressed, he allows that it was scary. "I went to a
bar and had shots [afterward]," he recalls. "I felt like if
someone had just hit a bully and ran. Like, 'Ah man, I gotta see
this bully tomorrow.'?"
Of course, one of the few people not impressed by Kanye's
courage-other than Republican hawks-was 50 Cent, who recently
slagged West's comments. But West doesn't want to talk about this
either. He states coolly: "I haven't even read or even heard any,
like, direct quotes. I'm making new music." So you don't have a
response to 50? "That is my response."
And then, just as you begin to ask a follow-up question on
Katrina, West blows. "Oh, wow," he exclaims, clearly exasperated.
"I thought we were off the Katrina thing. I thought we had moved
on. We didn't spend any time on the album. We've spent like five
hours on the Katrina thing, the 50 thing. Do you know how cliché
these interviews are getting for me at this point?
"The more I talk, I think the less impact I'll have when I do
say something," he rants, on a roll now. "When I say something, I
want to say something that's important. I'm not trying to sit up
here and justify anything I said previously. And you can take all
of these as quotes. Take everything I'm saying and write this
down: I say what I say, I mean it, and then I move on. There's
nothing else to be talked about. That's for other people to do.
For other people to scramble and say, 'Wow, did you hear that?
What did you think he meant by that?' It's not for me to really
clarify. I feel like all of those explanations take away from the
power of the original quotes, or the things I do, or the
songs."
Without pausing for a breath, West continues with: "It's not
you that I'm trying to particularly attack. It's not just you.
It's just a matter of-say you were walking down the street and
you are an attractive young lady, right, and you get stopped by
five people. That fifth person might say, 'Hey, how are you doing
today?' or might say, 'Yo, do you know how to get to the mall?'
And you say, 'Don't talk to me.' And that's kinda where I am with
reporters. It might be just someone asking how do you get to the
mall, and I'm just like, 'Yo! I'm just so sick of it.' And
especially, if you think about it, every day-every day it's a
George Bush question. It's the same shit over and over and over.
It's making my life-it's boring to me....Like, 'You've got an
interview with Kanye; you have to bring it up. Okay, do this, but
don't bring it up at the very beginning.'
"Ten minutes in, say the question," he pushes on, mocking.
"Because you know when the time to ask the tough questions
is.
"Yeah, I'm just making up shit as I go along," Kanye admits
with a laugh. "It's probably 50 percent truth and 50 percent me
just ad libbing because it's funny to me."
Kanye is now in the dressing room at MuchMusic, getting ready
to host Much on Demand, but he's not quite done. "Well, do you
have any more questions?" he asks. Not ones that you won't shoot
down. "Aw, try one. Just jump down the page and just see if
there's one good one." All right. Do you think that the press
frenzy around your Katrina comments overshadowed your stance
against homophobia at the MTV Music Video Awards?
"I think that's a good point," he says. "The Bush comment was
common opinion. In hip-hop, the homophobia one wasn't. So that's
what made that scarier."
"People are so homophobic," he continues. "You bring it up,
they think 'Oh, you must be gay for bringing it up.' And because
they dislike gays, now they don't like you. They say-and that
shows you how messed up our mentality is-'Why would you defend
someone, why would you say something like that?' People have
asked me that: 'Why would you put your neck on the line for them?
What is it? Just tell me.' Like you can't be a straight dude that
feels like it's wrong to gay-bash. I'm just happy to have opened
that up-just to talk about it and give it some type of dialogue.
Something that people are so scared to talk about, but it's in
our faces every day."
"These things that I say, I think that they can spark
something," he adds. "The people are the gasoline-they are either
water or gasoline-and I'm just throwing matches out the window.
So it's going to hit some people and spark them and maybe inspire
them in a way."
Which brings things back full circle to something Kanye
touched on earlier in the interview. "With me, everything is
pushed as far as I think it can go," he explains. "As far as I
can take it. Every time I have to fight a little bit to get
something on-air, to get my point across-that really is who I
am.
"I do everything times 10." So we hear, Kanye, so we hear.
Kanye West plays GM Place on Sunday (December 11).