Vancouver architect Bing Thom opposes B.C. Place casino expansion

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Renowned Vancouver architectBing Thom has added his voice to those opposing a mega-casino planned for the land adjacent to B.C. Place.

“Vancouver can’t forever be seen to be playing to its tourism angle,” Thom said. “We’re forgetting that we have a city here, we have citizens that don’t want Vancouver to be a bigger version of Whistler. That’s been some of the argument for why we would have a casino—we’ll get a lot more tourist dollars.”¦We’re becoming a retirement and a tourist city, and that is not what I would like Vancouver to become. And the casino is just playing into that.”

In March 2010, Premier Gordon Campbell announced plans for a $450-million entertainment complex attached to B.C. Place that will comprise a relocated Edgewater Casino and two hotels. An application from B.C. Pavilion Corporation for the rezoning necessary to build the complex goes to a Vancouver council hearing next Thursday evening (February 17), and opposition to the plan has been mounting throughout the arts community.

Thom will speak about the casino development at a public rally and forum scheduled for 7 p.m. Wednesday (February 9) at the Chinese Cultural Centre (50 East Pender Street). The event is sponsored by the Alliance for Arts and Culture, among other organizations.

The Alliance and the B.C. Association for Charitable Gaming have joined forces in pressing council to suspend all gaming expansion in the city until the province abides by, or renegotiates, a 1999 memorandum of agreement with the BCACG stipulating that one third of gaming revenues go to the nonprofit sector.

On February 1, councillors passed an amended version of a motion brought forward by COPE councillor Ellen Woodsworth, resolving, among other things, that the city will call for a review of public gambling in the province of B.C. and that council will support the B.C. Association for Charitable Gaming’s call to the auditor general to investigate and review the province’s obligations to charities regarding gambling revenues.

Woodsworth said the advocacy work of the Alliance and the BCACG helped her come to the decision to draft the motion. “I’ve been really, really concerned about the situation in the city, in the cuts to nonprofits and the arts,” she said. “It seems to me that these are critical organizations to the well-being of Vancouver, making Vancouver the number-one city in the world, and they’ve been decimated.”

While the Alliance’s executive director, Amir Ali Alibhai, said the organization is not taking a stand on the casino development in particular, he noted: “We’re certainly working with a coalition of organizations that are opposed to the casino for perhaps different reasons than we might be, but we’ve found common ground, in that they also recognize the inherent rights of charities and not-for-profits, and that is one of the issues that’s important to the broader group as well.”

Thom said he was concerned that the public had not been properly involved in the decision to build the complex. “We’ve never had a discussion whether or not we wanted this casino,” he said. “It just got dropped on us as another gift, and I think that’s been part of the problem. In the past decade in Vancouver we get these gifts given to us by politicians that are not well thought through.”¦I don’t think there are free gifts given.”

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Ken Lawson
Whoever this guy is I oppose his idea we want the casino right near bc place. Who is this guy, running for office and trying to get attention.
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Lindsay Brown
"Whoever this guy is"? Bing Thom is one of a small handful of Vancouver's top architects; of course he's not running for office. He is doing what more architects let alone citizens should be doing, and that is speaking out against this corrupt travesty of urban planning. We don't need the BC government ramming this apocalyptically bad idea down our throats, and we certainly don't need to let them get away with giving 70 year leases to their corporate Las Vegas friends. I'm grateful Bing Thom has had the guts to speak out. If this were any other town we'd have seen outrage on this topic ages ago. We already have a major casino downtown, and the last thing Vancouver needs is a tripling of gambling. Go Bing.
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Ken Lawson
Tell me what this guy has down in BC or Canada, not interested in his work outside of North America. so tell me what projects?
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james james
well in greater vancouver some of his projects were:

Sunset Community Centre
Central City Shopping Centre, SFU campus
Aberdeen Centre
Chan Centre for the Performing Arts at UBC
False Creek Yacht Club
The Pointe condominium
Pacific Canada Pavilion, Vancouver Aquarium

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are you kidding?
@Ken, are you kidding? This is the guy who designed the Chan Centre, one of the best designed concert halls in the city. Among the other projects his firm as worked on in the Lower Mainland: Central City SFU Surrey, Surrey City Central Library, Aberdeen Centre (Richmond), Aberdeen Square (Richmond), Aberdeen Condos (Richmond), Sunset Community Centre on Main Street, and the Pacific Canada Pavilion.

Bing Thom Architects also won the 2010 Architectural Firm Award, among numerous other accolades. I found that in 2 minutes of Googling.

Here's his website: http://www.bingthomarchitects.com Check it out for yourself.
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Why Not?
Consider the likely alternative: Multi-million dollar condos owned by offshore investors and out-of-towners. Would you rather have a casino you can scoff at from the craps table, or condos that you'll never see the inside of?
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Actor
Bing Thom might have some credibility saying he doesn't like the design of the proposed casino but really, does he have any more credibility than the next guy to talk about what Vancouver should or shouldn't be? Who cares? Its like Hollywood actors somehow thinking people care what they think about politics (unfortunately some people do seem to care). Their acting got them an undeserved audience for a political rant.

"We’re becoming a retirement and a tourist city, and that is not what I would like Vancouver to become." - why do i care what YOU want Vancouver to become? You can talk about how you think it should LOOK.
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Dan Clay
good, finally someone with sense.Stop the Casino NOW
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Ken Lawson
I do not like any of these buildings of what I have saw and have been in I cannot stand the Aberdeen Centre it is hard to which way you go. Aberdeen condos are not impressive one big slam of concrete and over priced for what you get. Anyways it still has nothing to do with Casinos I hope they do get him to design it.
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Ken Lawson
Anyways this is about the Casino, I guess he is angry because they did not like any of his ideas and lost the contract.
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Sandy Garossino
Bing Thom is one of the great civic visionaries of our age. His work is renowned in Washington DC and in New York, as well as all around Vancouver. But it's his vision of what a city can be that matters.

There is a perfectly good casino in Vancouver. It already went bankrupt once, which gives some indication of the level of local demand. I.e. not very high.

That leaves tourism. But Vancouver doesn't have an identity as a gambling mecca. Chinese people will go to Macau and Singapore before they will come here as tourists to gamble. The business economics just carry a lot of inherent risks--and who is going to carry the can if Edgewater goes down again?

And there is still a lot of money sloshing around behind the scenes--public money. The BC Lottery Corp has plans to spend $350 million on capital spending in the next three years, and they don't own any bricks and mortar gaming facilities.

How much of that $350 million is like the $400 million that was secretly passed to private casino developers over the last few years?

Transparency please! Let's open the books and get a full accounting of all tax incentives, subsidies, payments, and all other financial dealings before we sign off on this thing.

Full policing reports--real ones--on what the security measures inside casinos are going to be. How exactly BC Lottery Corporation plans to clean up its HORRIBLE record on money laundering. How the casinos plan to get on top of and control the rampant loan-sharking that goes on inside.

We are sleep-walking into this thing.
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welldoneson
- "we're forgetting we have a city here"
Wow, thanx for reminding us, Binger. That was a close one!

- "non profits and the arts make Vancouver the number one
city in the world"
Yeah, no self esteem problem there.

- Aren't these guys basically saying "pay us or we won't support your project"?
Tell you what, we won't pay you and you don't support us. Works for me!

- "the inherent right of charities and not-for-profits"
Well you surely have the right to oppose whatever you want, but the
idea that your support must be bought seems a bit gimme-gimME...

- And after all that, he blows up the very angle these groups are taking
by saying "I don't think there are free gifts given".
Yes, Binger, you got that right. There are no free gifts.
Good for you.
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Liz Thor-Larsen
How about putting in a nice park with swings and a crawling thing, a stage for outdoor concerts, a fountain and a space for a farmers market beside BC Place?
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Ken Lawson
@Liz Thor-Larsen the answer is "NO" we do not like that idea of yours!
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Ken Lawson
CKNW reports 120 people should up for this meeting in a city of 600,000 of which 50% go to the Casino give me a break!
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pwlg
The 120 people who showed up to the meeting are 35 more than the number of mla's in BC.

120 is less than the hundreds if not thousands of dogs, cats and hockey players registered as BC Liberal members.

120 is more than the one person making most of the comments here who has yet to declare whether 'he' supports the Campbell Casino which not only provides a large venue for money laundering but gives the launderers a nice place to stay.
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Amir Ali Alibhai
I want to clarify the position of the Alliance Board and its members. We are opposed to the expansion of Edgewater Casino into the largest Casino in Western Canada. We support a moratorium on any expansion of Gaming in our province until public confidence is restored and there is a full public discussion. City Council has the power to do this. They can grant the rezoning request, and even allow for the relocation of Edgewater, thereby saving the existing jobs there. But they should not grant the request for expansion, which is buried in the rezoning application. They should consider that issue separately and not be bullied by the province. This decision will affect our City for years to come; it should not be made lightly or be buried in an inadequate 55 page rezoning application.
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pwlg
Lawson replies to Thor-Larsen's ideas for the public lands adjacent to BC Place with a "NO" and then goes on to say that "we do not like that idea of yours!"

Just who is the "we" he is claiming to represent?


Does Lawson claim to represent the 600,000 residents of Vancouver who he claims half go to Casinos?

Funny thing is, 25% of residents living in Vancouver would not be able to go into Casinos as they are not permitted being under legal age.

Is Lawson the lone wolf here supporting the Casino? If he is he would fit in nicely with the company want to build and operate the casino. This company has an interesting history when it comes to siting casinos in the US.
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e.a.f.
Bing Thom is a wonderful architect! He has talent and vision and certainly the Chan Centre is a thing of beauty.
It is important that architects of his caliber comment on the vision for Vancouver. It may counter some of the "junk" develpers and Lieberals are handing out.
For a city to be great it doesn't need casinos. It needs people, arts, offices, factories, schools, parks, children. To become Vegas North is no great asperation and it certainly won't bring many benefits to the people who live in the Lower Mainland. The casinos will not be bringing high paying jobs, its a service industry.
The casinos of course in B.C. are a great way to launder money criminals need to "clean" and of course if the Lieberals and their friends want to help them.......
I do hope more architects and artists make their opinions public. it is such discussions which make a city better.
Like, just how many great cities of the world are know for their casinos?
Cities are know for their business, arts, theatre, painting, old buildings, their people, but face it Vegas has never been classed as one of the great cities of the world and neither would a Vegas North.
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Let the People Decide!
@Why Not? You seem a little out of the loop, freind. Yes, many of the condos, indeed whole buildings are sold to offshore buyers, who will sell them to other offshore buyers. People are hedging by putting money into real estate here. The affordabity problem is already here.

But these aren't the people who will be gambling---and losing---at this new revenue whorehouse. It will be the locals---'cause those real estate tourists aint interested in nickel slots!
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