Driver who fought with cyclist is not a cop, Vancouver police say

The question has been raised multiple times, by online commenters and fellow journalists.

Was the car driver who got in a fight with a cyclist last week (captured in viral photos and video) a police officer?

For example, in response to the Georgia Straight's interview with cyclist Edward Hoey, commenter "Bruce" asserted:

Given the appearance of the driver, the move he used, and the blatant biasbias of the police handling, I wonder if the driver was a plainsclothes policeman. In that case its a simple case of the cops protecting their own.

Today (January 28), the Vancouver Police Department said, in response to a Twitter query, that the driver is not a cop.

However, another commenter suggested the driver might be a CSIS agent. So, the VPD's tweet might not put to rest the theories of all suspicious observers.

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Mark Bowen
Well that settles it then. Not like the cops would ever lie about something like this.
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Dr Ben Dover
And we should believe the VPD just because they said so?
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Rundrd
So just because the guy has a short haircut and used a pretty basic takedown, he's a stooge of the establishment?

Or maybe he's what he said he was, someone who practiced a martial art for 15 years.

Not everything is a conspiracy.
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Martin Dunphy
There is no name attached to that "police" tweet. How hard would it be for one of their communications people to issue a release if they think it is that important?
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MBFA
It's usually Sandra Glendenning who does the police tweets, from my understanding of her blog. She'll usually answer stuff pretty directly, if it comes up.
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Walter
Looks like many in by cycling community think that there should have been charges against the car driver but I am not sure why? Looks like the cyclist took something from the driver's car. If that is the case then I think the cyclist should be charged.
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Bruce
@Walter

Because the driver threatened the cyclist with his car, which alone should have been enough to charge him with assault with threatening vehicular assault

When as a result they argued at the door of the car, the driver pulled the cyclist's arm into the car and told him he had martial arts training and would "mess him up". That was the point at which the cyclist pulled pieces of paper from the car - escaping from the driver's initial assault.

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Bruce
@Ben

"And we should believe the VPD just because they said so?"

No, obviously not. The police seem to have decided that it's ok for drivers to threaten and then physically assault cyclists, and will give it a pass on the flimsiest pretext. Literally a piece of loose paper is enough.

Well then, given that that's the message they're content to send to the public, cyclists need to take it to heart. If you look at the video, the driver threatened the cyclists personal safety, and his property (his radio and his bike). By the same logic, the cyclist has the right to self-defense.

There are a lot of dangerous dogs around. It would be perfectly rational, given that they cannot trust on the police, for every downtown cyclist to get a can of pepper spray. Or is defense of self and property only ok if you're driving an Audi? Is that the city we're living in now?
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Bruce
From the criminal code of Canada:

265. (1) A person commits an assault when
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(b) he attempts or threatens, by an act or a gesture, to apply force to another person, if he has, or causes that other person to believe on reasonable grounds that he has, present ability to effect his purpose; or..


In other words, making a threat to harm a person, implied or verbal, is sufficient to constitute assault. If a driver threatens in any way to hit a cyclist with their car, if their intent is to make the cyclist believe they may be harmed, that constitutes assault under the law. There doesn't need to be any actual contact.

Based on the events described, in the initial event where the driver yelled at and then drove at the cyclist with his car, he committed an assault under the law.

The problem here is that the police are not recognizing the simple, obvious fact that any threatening move by a vehicle against a cyclist or pedestrian is a threat with a deadly weapon. It is exactly the same level of threat as waving a gun at them.
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Jennifer
I can understand the anger on both side. But in the land of too much money spent on courts, incarceration and lawyers. The quest we should really ask is "Too charge or not to charge".
Most likely there were two charges. One of stealing property out of a vehicle and the other assault. Both were proven true. Both were caught red handed
In this case the police can either.
Charge both of their offenses.
Or ask both if they would like to charge the other of their offenses.
I'm thinking the police did the later and neither wanted to get charged for their crime and off they go. Still being tax paying members of society instead of tax leaching members.
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Nicole
Bruce get the facts before you post a bunch of BS, your as bad as the lying sack of sh** cyclist. If someone damages your vehicle and tries to rob you of your possessions you are legally permitted to protect your items. I am assuming you would just stand there like a dumbass and do nothing so good for you, your items would be gone. You can hear the verbal in the video there is no mention of martial arts and f*** you up etc plus someone with martial arts doesn't go around bragging about it. The verbal clearly mentions "give me back my sh**" several times. If the douchebag would have just given it to him - game over. There is zero proof that the driver used his vehicle as a weapon. If there was he would be charged - simple. The cyclist claims to have been "resting" his hand on the car when the driver pulled him in". That's so logical, cause everyone who's just been lipped off rests their hand on the car door just to see what's up and say hello. The driver stood up for himself and wouldn't let someone rob him and damage his car. Good on him. Cyclist quit playing the victim, it's nauseating and your story has changed so many times you are even having a hard time keeping track. Congrats to the cyclist for douchebag of the year award and to his girlfriend who was there to take photos at the exact time this whole thing went down - what a coincidence!
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Bruce
@Nicole

This is from the cyclist's witness:

"After a minor verbal confrontation, with Edward standing beside the car, the driver grabbed Edward's hand, which was resting on his passenger side door, pulled him inside the vehicle and said "I have 15 years of Martial Arts training and I'm going to fuck you up". Edward managed to free himself and grabbed some papers off the passenger seat and threw them onto the sidewalk..."

You believe it's illogical for the cyclist to have rested his hand on a door while arguing, yet you expect us to believe that he reached into the car and grabbed papers? Which were probably on the passenger's seat? Really? You think that makes sense?

By the time the driver stopped and got out of his car he had completely lost his cool. Listen to his voice. He was far from rational. The papers were a hook to hang his anger on, just as you're using them as a hook to justify cheering on violence.
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NotSurprised.
The wrong question was asked. Is he or ever has been a member of Law enforcement in either a full time or contractual basis. I wonder how many cops someone knows who has "15 years martial arts experience".
It's telling that while waiting for the cops the driver was quietly on his phone instead of recording video or taking names. Also very telling that the first question the officer asked the cyclist wasnt "what happened?" But "why weren't you in the bus lane?" And she kept interrupting him.

The driver may well not be a cop but I'll bet he knows some.
We still haven't heard from the driver in all this and his silence is deafening.

Still, the cyclist isnt completely innocent in all of this either.
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Bruce
@NotSurprised

Someone has been posting at this and other forums under generic female names, with an awful lot of detailed knowledge of the incident and personal affront. Wouldn't be surprised if it's the driver himself.

Re the cyclist, right or wrong, it's very unwise to engage on the road with a hothead like this. Pull over, write down the license plate number, find a witness, and make a report to the police.

"No George, No! The best revenge is to live well!" - Seinfeld
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John A

Why the car lobby "grassrooter" vacay on this string? Have they used up all their invectives already this year?
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