Canadian soldiers aren't dying for nothing in Afghanistan

By Sverre Frisch and Tylere Couture

In the December 11-18, 2008, edition of the Georgia Straight, Langara professor and former United States Marine Corps corporal Peter Prontzos vents his frustration with both the Canadian Forces and the Canadian government for their respective approval of and participation in the current Canadian contribution to the International Security Assistance Force in Afghanistan. Prontzos argues that the mission in Afghanistan is based on four big lies: that the mission is in the interest of bringing some form of democracy to Afghanistan, that the war involves improving Afghan women’s rights, that it is possible to win the war through military means, and that the war is a part of the fight against terrorism. In reality, Prontzos argues, Canadians are dying in Afghanistan not for democracy or women’s rights, but in order to please the Bush regime by aiding its attempt to dominate the Middle East and control the oil supplies in the region. The solution to the problems in Afghanistan, Prontzos believes, can be found in negotiating a cease-fire agreement with all sides of the conflict and instituting a United Nations mission to enforce the cease- fire agreement.

Prontzos is right in his observation that the security situation throughout Afghanistan has deteriorated over the last few years. He is also correct in identifying the flaws in President Hamid Karzai’s government, and that Harper has cut the budget of Status of Women Canada. However, while Prontzos gets some of his facts straight, his argument suffers from dubious causation, wishful thinking, and complete confusion regarding the role of the Canadian Forces in Afghanistan as well as its influence in determining Canadian foreign policy. First of all, Prontzos argues that the war in Afghanistan is not about fighting terrorism because the Taliban did not attack the United States on September 11, 2001. No one is claiming that they did. The invasion of Afghanistan in 2001 was undertaken to capture Osama bin Laden, destroy al-Qaeda, and remove the Taliban regime which had provided support and safe harbour to al-Qaeda. Unbeknownst to many, the Taliban regime was given several opportunities to hand over Osama bin Laden before the coalition attacked, but they refused. In fact, the United Nations requested bin laden turned over as early as 1999 to face trial for the United States embassy bombings in Africa in 1998, under resolution 1267 and 1333, but were ignored by the Taliban, who continued to support him. Thus removing the Taliban regime from power became an unavoidable part of the fight against al-Qaeda and terrorism.

This leads us to Prontzos’ second claim: that the war in Afghanistan is not about improving women’s rights. The reasoning used here is that since Stephen Harper has failed to promote women’s rights in Canada, there is no way he would be interested in doing so in Afghanistan, and thus the war cannot be about improving women’s rights. It is pertinent to remind Prontzos that the Canadian participation in the war in Afghanistan was not initiated by the current Conservative government, but rather the Liberal government of Jean Chrétien. A man who seemed to have few qualms about crossing the persuasive American government, not only on humanitarian causes such as the land-mines ban, the Kyoto Protocol, and the International Criminal Court, but also opposing a Canadian contribution to Iraq, which undoubtedly sat poorly with the Bush administration. Based on Prontzos’ own logic then, the decision to join the war in Afghanistan suddenly seems nobler. However, disregarding facile reasoning and public policy preferences of individual politicians, there is a strong case to be made for the fact that the war in Afghanistan is indeed being fought for women’s rights: it is about improving the rights of all Afghan citizens by creating a secure environment in which the Taliban are not allowed to force their regime upon Afghans. An environment in which girls are allowed to go to school without having acid thrown in their faces, where people are free to express their opinions without being tortured or killed, and in which organizations such as al-Qaeda are denied sanctuary to plan and carry out terrorist operations.

Prontzos’ solution to the “endless war and continued killing in Afghanistan” caused by the “mindless war-fighting mentality”perpetuated by “some in the Canadian military who despise the Canadian peacekeeping reputation” is to initiate successful peace negotiations with all sides in the conflict and bring in well funded United Nations peacekeepers to enforce the cease-fire agreement. Since peacekeeping requires much less resources than war fighting, Prontzos suggests using the extra money to improve the Canadian health-care and education systems, and providing housing for the homeless. Everybody wins. While this solution looks great from the ivory tower, it quickly shrivels up and dies in contact with reality. It is true that many NATO countries, as well as U.S. Secretary of Defence Robert Gates, have spoken of political reconciliation with elements of the Taliban. However, this is under the precondition that these elements accept the Afghan government, human rights, and the democratic system. Needless to say, these demands exclude al-Qaeda and all hard-line Taliban elements, such as those of Mullah Omar and Jalaluddin Haqqani, who maintain close ties to al-Qaeda. Thus, even if successful peace negotiations are carried out with moderate elements of the Taliban, Afghanistan faces a grave threat from the remaining groups opposed to any political solution other than replacing Afghanistan’s constitution with the Taliban’s “Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan”. These groups have to be confronted with blunt force, the kind of force which requires large quantities of professional, coordinated, and well armed soldiers, not blue helmets under a peacekeeping mandate whose funding is being spent on social projects in Canada. Thus, there is no more a political solution to Afghanistan alone than there is a military solution to Afghanistan alone; the two have to be combined to provide the best possible outcome in Afghanistan.

Another truth which seems to have escaped Prontzos is that Canada does not draft soldiers. Rather citizens from around the country are free to enlist, in which case they sign a contract and receive training to prepare them for any of a myriad of different jobs, much like in the civilian world. However working in a professional army, as any former corporal having served two years in the Marine Corps should know, you have to make certain sacrifices which ordinary citizens do not. First of all the Canadian military has as its core an apolitical mandate. It simply cannot, by definition, act without the direct authorization from the democratically elected civilian who is charged with oversight issues of National Defence (and as such, the Canadian Forces). This strikes at the very core of a liberal democracy—armed forces that are totally subservient to the will of the people’s representative. Thus, an army is a function of state power, which in a democracy like Canada means that your job is whatever the democratically elected government determines it to be. If you cannot reconcile with this idea, you are free to not sign up for service with the Canadian Forces. A professional soldier also accepts the unlimited liability of his or her profession, that sudden death or serious injuries are inherent work hazards in military life. This might happen in Afghanistan, Somalia, or any other country in which the Canadian government decides to deploy Canadian soldiers. Being a professional fighting force, Canadian forces show up and do their job. That is how they serve the country. If they are injured or killed, they should be able to count on unconditional respect and honour from all Canadian citizens, regardless of political affiliation or doubts about the legitimacy of the mission.

General Douglas MacArthur once stated rightly “no one hates war more than a soldier”, and like the soldiers in the Canadian Forces, the Canadian people want to see Canada contribute to the development and rebuilding of Afghanistan. Unfortunately, the current situation in many areas of Afghanistan prevents development without using force to impose some measure of security. This situation will not change even if proposed peace negotiations with moderate elements of the Taliban succeed, as many of the areas most in need of development are under the control of hardliners who see development as a threat to their feudal ideology. The other part of this equation is that force projection is essential in bringing even moderate Taliban commanders to the negotiating table. They are unlikely to make any serious commitments to the Afghan government if there is even a slight chance that the Taliban hardliners might regain power. If they are turned, they need help protecting themselves and their families from the Taliban and al-Qaeda, a task which the still embryonic Afghan National Army, even in cooperation with a well funded United Nations peacekeeping force is ill suited to carry out. This again underscores the need for the presence of well armed, well coordinated forces designed for war fighting, not only to fight the Taliban, but to help train the Afghan National Army.

Prontzos did get one fact straight: the fundamental question has to do with the moral courage of Canadian politicians. However, it has nothing to do with whether or not Jean Chrétien, Paul Martin, or Stephen Harper would be willing to risk their lives in Afghanistan. They did not sign up for the Canadian Forces. What matters is that the Canadian government honours its commitment to create a better Afghanistan, even when it entails the tragic deaths of Canadian soldiers. It is never easy for a government to see its soldiers’ coffins returning from a conflict, especially when these deaths provide ample political ammunition for opponents to bash them with. The simple and politically viable solution would be for the government to take the easy way out, as Prontzos suggests, and broker some tenuous peace agreements with moderate elements of the Taliban and institute a United Nations peacekeeping mission to monitor it. When the country then inevitably collapses, the government could pull their troops out and argue that they at least tried and, importantly, that they maintained the traditional Canadian role as a peacekeeping nation.

Sverre Frisch studies political science at the University of British Columbia in Vancouver. He spent five years as an officer with the Norwegian Army, including two tours as a peacekeeper in the Balkans. Tylere Couture is a captain with the Canadian Forces and recently returned from a seven-month tour in Afghanistan with the Kandahar Provincial Reconstruction Team in Kandahar City. Couture and Frisch are both members of the UBC chapter of the Canada-Afghanistan Solidarity Committee.

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peterstraight
I am so sorry for all the people who are dying in Afghanistan. YOU have been brainwashed and are naive to think that we can get rid off terrorism in such a way! Religious zealots in Canada (Harper and friends) and in other countries have entranched positions and have vested interests in either keeping things the way they are or changing things, depending who you are. If indeed the Talibans did hit the 2 towers, one has to ask why they did it? People don't do things for no reasons! WHat or who propvoked them? Or maybe it was all made up to help us have a new enemy!


"Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are even incapable of forming such opinions." (Einstein)
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tylerecouture
Thanks for the comment Peter.

I agree that we'd be naive to think any thing we've said could "get rid off[sic] terrorism", thankfully, we haven't suggested this!

Also, I'm not sure anyone has suggested that the Taliban hit the 2 towers. Most assume it was Al Qaeda. As for why and what or who provoked them? Perhaps a good start is to examine some their public statements made before and after 9/11,

"we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims: The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies -- civilians and military -- is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque [Mecca] from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty Allah, "and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together," and "fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah." (Shaykh Usamah Bin-Muhammad Bin-Ladin and other leaders of the World Islamic Front Feb 98)
http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/980223-fatwa.htm

"you that you are the worst civilization witnessed by the history of mankind: (i)You are the nation who, rather than ruling by the Shariah of Allah in its Constitution and Laws, choose to invent your own laws as you will and desire. You separate religion from your policies, contradicting the pure nature which affirms Absolute Authority to the Lord and your Creator..." (Osama bin Laden's "letter to the American people" Nov 02)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver

-Tylere

"The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it." (Einstein)
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sleepswithangels
Oh my..aren't we the Grammar & Spelling Authorities. Clearly our soldier philosophers are big on convoluted logic and damage control but a little weak in the common sense department. This is not an unexpected development given the huge increase in budget and staffing at the Canadian Forces PR department over the last 3-5 years. In Nazi Germany it went by a different name. I suppose when you're busy propping up a vast war criminal network for a country that won't sign on to the International Criminal Court, which deals with war crimes, you need to provide a little post grad education for your Propaganda Corp.
There is so much ground to cover comparing "reconstruction" efforts to the CF's main focus on playing war games with people defending their country from illegal invaders so I'll just ask the authors of this article to justify aiding and abetting war criminals vis a vis the US use of UN banned depleted uranium muntions in Iraq and Afghanistan. The dust residue from exploding these weapons will create fatal health problems for millions of people for centuries to come. How do you justify this and how do you defend your involvement with the US military given that all the evidence points to the fact that US hegemony over resources and sovereign states is their leading motivation in their foreign policy making?
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silversurfer
Comparing the PR effort of the Canadian military to Nazi Germany, isn’t the anonymity of the internet great! While I cannot speak for the authors of the article, it seems that you are the one in need of some postgraduate education. You say that the Canadian mission in Afghanistan in illegal, by what standards? International law? The UN? ISAF is a UN sanctioned mission, look it up. Furthermore, the UN never banned DU ammunition, the resolution never passed the SC, even with support from Canada (!). The US is not by far the only country using DU ammunition (UK and US are the only two countries openly admitting to its use), so should we then halt all cooperation with the countries using this type of weapons? Would that stop them from using it?
Finally, as for supporting the evil US, Canada joined ISAF for the same reason the US went into Afghanistan, to deny groups such as AQ and other terrorist organizations safe havens. Part of doing this is to raise the living standards of the people who live there and help them provide security for themselves. And before you start screaming about the oil, there is no evidence the US had to go to war in Afghanistan to guarantee their oil supply as they already were in a powerful position regarding Caspian basin energy resources. Why go to war (which is detrimental to the oil trade in the region) when you can control it externally? Think about it.

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sleepswithangels
http://www.bandepleteduranium.org/en/a/144.html

The following 122 countries voted in favour of a ban. The others are in the thrall of Uncle Sam or have their own imperial agendas.
Yeah the net is really cool silversurfer dude....all kinds of fascist bootlickers get to hold the bullys' coat. Apparently I was misinformed
about a total ban on DU by the UN. My bad. They have done the following: A sub-commission of the United Nations Commission on Human Rights appointed a 'rapporteur' to investigate the use of depleted uranium weapons among other types of weapons, after passing a resolution which categorised depleted uranium weapons alongside such as nuclear, chemical and biological weapons, napalm, and cluster bombs as a 'weapon of indiscriminate effect'.
The European Parliament has also called for a complete ban a number of times but the genocidal maniacs in Washington and their lichtspittle partners in Ottawa, London and elsewhere are doing their best to make sure the birth defects and cancer clusters continue unabated.
As for your contention that installing a puppet government and having the UN sanction this farce makes it all legal is laughable in the extreme. Ask the Vietnamese who they think the worlds worst terrorists are. I think you'll hear that it's the country that carpet bombs civilians and uses toxic weapons (Agent Orange etc.)which left millions dead all because of the "communist threat".
The bottom line is that the US is addicted to oil and making war. Both are intensely profitable for a few dozen corporations. Afghanistan was just one more piece of the American imperial agenda and Stephen Harper is doing his puppy dog best to please his masters in Washington while our soldiers are used as pawns in another morally bankrupt quagmire.



In favour: Afghanistan, Algeria, Angola, Antigua and Barbuda, Argentina, Armenia, Austria, Azerbaijan, Bahamas, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Barbados, Belarus, Belize, Benin, Bhutan, Bolivia, Botswana, Brazil, Brunei
Darussalam, Burkina Faso, Burundi, Cameroon, Chile, Colombia, Comoros,
Congo, Costa Rica, Cí´te d’Ivoire, Cuba, Cyprus, Democratic People’s
Republic of Korea, Djibouti, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Egypt, El
Salvador, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Gabon, Germany, Ghana, Guatemala, Guinea,
Guyana, Haiti, Honduras, India, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Ireland, Italy,
Jamaica, Japan, Jordan, Kenya, Kuwait, Lao People’s Democratic Republic,
Lebanon, Lesotho, Liberia, Libya, Liechtenstein, Madagascar, Malawi,
Malaysia, Maldives, Mali, Marshall Islands, Mauritania, Mauritius,
Mexico, Mongolia, Montenegro, Morocco, Mozambique, Myanmar, Namibia,
Nauru, Nepal, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Niger, Nigeria, Oman, Pakistan,
Panama, Papua New Guinea, Paraguay, Peru, Philippines, Qatar, Saint
Lucia, Samoa, San Marino, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Sierra Leone,
Singapore, Solomon Islands, South Africa, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Suriname,
Swaziland, Switzerland, Syria, Thailand, Timor-Leste, Togo, Tunisia,
Turkmenistan, United Arab Emirates, United Republic of Tanzania,
Uruguay, Uzbekistan, Venezuela, Viet Nam, Yemen, Zambia, Zimbabwe.

Against: Czech Republic, France, Israel, Netherlands, United Kingdom, United States.

Abstain: Albania, Andorra, Australia, Belgium, Bulgaria, Cambodia,
Canada, Croatia, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, Georgia, Greece, Hungary,
Iceland, Kazakhstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Moldova,
Norway, Poland, Portugal, Republic of Korea, Romania, Russian
Federation, Serbia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, The former
Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, Turkey, Ukraine.
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_altoid_
Dear sleepswithangels --

Interesting couple of ideas; not suggesting they're wrong or right, but what about the following couple of points:

1) While the UN Commission on Human Rights may well have passed a resolution suggesting depleted uranium weapons were to be categorized as ”˜weapons of indiscriminate effect’ the highest body of the UN—the Security Council—has consistently failed to pass a resolution to this effect. However, what about the recent General Assembly initiative to charge several agencies of the UN (IAEA, WHO, and UNEP) with reviewing the health impacts of the weapons? This strikes me as an almost better way to tackle the issue of these weapons, as it moves the issue ”˜outside’ the normal legal and normative channels (similar to the work of NGO’s and the Ottawa Convention on the banning of landmines).


2) While the current administration in Kabul may full well be a “puppet” government, the question should be asked: what was before the “puppet” government? The United Nations never accepted the Taliban as a legitimate government of Afghanistan (see: http://www.un.org/News/dh/latest/afghan/un-afghan-history.shtml), and as such only ever recognized the political authority that was defacto-replaced by the Taliban in Kabul. It was this government (the one that was recognized internationally and not the Taliban), that in Bonn, in late 2001, handed power to current leader of the country.

The same ”˜puppet-masters’ that you suggest installed the current government in Afghanistan withheld recognition of the Taliban as a legitimate political authority in the country—a position also held by various UN agencies. While I’m certain we could debate the nuances of why the Taliban were an international pariah state, this was done on the grounds that, among other things: the Taliban had poor regard for women’s rights; had created a safe-haven for terrorists going back to the early to mid nineties; the Taliban oversaw the generation of a catastrophic humanitarian situation; created on of the worst human rights situations globally; used child soldiers (some even under the age of 14); and, engaged in indiscriminate bombing.

Not only were the Taliban doing all that, but they had also begun to go after Iranian diplomats (note to would-be dictators: probably don’t want to get both Iran and the US to see eye-to-eye on the conduct of your country internationally).

I’m not certain what you’d prefer: the Taliban (who, by following your own argument, should be the legitimate rulers of the country because they held political control), or the “puppet” regime who at least make an effort (corruption and all) to move towards a country not hallmarked by the worst human rights records, the poorest women’s rights, and casual acceptance of a near permanent catastrophic humanitarian situation.


3) If the US is really addicted to making war (to use the Naomi Klein phrase ”˜Disaster Capitalism’) why then, have we seen a near continuous decline in the number of wars and conflicts, as well as the level of violence (measured by ”˜core human rights abuses’ and number of conflict related deaths) since the end of the Cold War? Don’t take my word for it, a faceless individual going by the name ”˜_altoid_’ but, rather check out the Human Security Report—www.humansecurityreport.info, which has the data to support these claims.


4) My own views of Harper aside (I’m certainly no fan), it wasn’t the Conservatives who were in power at the time Parliament authorized DND to put the Canadian Forces into southern Afghanistan, although it was the current Conservative lead parliament that put a new end-date to the mission in place.


This all raises the question of what should be do with places like Afghanistan (or Somalia)? Should the Canadian approach be that of China -- ”˜non-interference in the affairs of other nations’-- or should we try to do something to help those worse off than ourselves? And how should we structure our efforts to this effect, if we try and do something to help those worse off? If the entire international effort in Afghanistan can be written off as a “another morally bankrupt quagmire” (which I suggest it isn’t), how do we prevent it next time?
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sleepswithangels
Very thoughtful and well stated points altoid. Let's see if I can offer some satisfactory rebuttals/answers to your contentions/questions.
1) I agree plus the virtual blackout on publicizing the effects of DU needs to be lifted so more people in the west can become angry at the genocide being caused by these weapons.
2) Certainly the Taliban, as extreme Muslim fundamentalists, were a horrible government but when the invading armies of ISAF detonate Depleted Uranium in Afghanistan, which will kill indiscriminately for thousands of centuries to come, it completely negates any of the intended "good deeds" the invaders were promoting for the "betterment" of Afghanis and raises serious questions about the real intent of Uncle Sam.
3) My answer to your postulation is simple. The US has many different ways to wage war or, in other words, dominate and subjugate sovereign nations. What other empire in history maintained over 700 military bases in over 100 different countries? This might seem over the top to you but all the evidence of what I am about to say is found right here in North America. In exporting everything from junk food, tobacco, brain dead entertainment and dangerous pharmaceuticals, the US is condemning people to weakened immune systems and even weaker intellects.Your processed wheat and dairy, your chemically raised meat and other so called comfort foods weaken an individuals resistance to the propaganda efforts of mass media and make them ripe for mind control. This is the 21st century and Uncle Sam doesn't necessarily need to blow your head off with a gun to destroy your brain and will power.
4) I've pointed this out many times and will do so once again. Our troops were in Afghanistan for exactly four years under Liberal rule and 10 soldiers died....half of them cut down by American soldiers. Under Harper we have lost almost 100 soldiers in a little less than three years. Ergo..Harper is way more intent on waging war than rebuilding. You can argue that all you like but the proof is in the numbers. We are sliding into deficit right now due to an incredibly incompetent finance minister and because Harper has been spending on weapons like an out of control sugar freak in a candy store. This is totally irresponsible. How can we help anybody else if our own house falls into disrepair and insolvency?
altoid writes: " If the entire international effort in Afghanistan can be written off as a “another morally bankrupt quagmire” (which I suggest it isn’t), how do we prevent it next time?"
As I see the "big picture" it is always the most powerful country that leads by example and that country, the US, has in the past suppressed alternative energy research which has left the world with a dependence on burning fossil fuels which has led to the need for the US to invade or otherwise compromise the security of foreign countries in order to maintain an economy that uses 25% of the world's resources while only having 5% of the population. This needs to stop now and Canada needs to set a better example than the pin headed dolts in the Conservative party are managing to do. Our survival as a species depends on fast and comprehensive action on climate change. We have to put the brakes on expansionism and settle for a lot less plastic fantastic materialism or would you rather we go out in a blaze of toxic glory?
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silversurfer
So let’s see how we are standing right now in terms of your arguments sleepswithangels: so there is no UN ban on the use of DU ammunition as you claimed, the Canadian presence in Afghanistan is not illegal by any international law standards as you claimed, you also now agree that the Taliban are extreme fundamentalists who ran a horrible government (and not as you initially suggested ”˜just people defending ”˜their’ country from illegal invaders’ and I’ll ad to this list your half-witted reasoning regarding the correlation between Canadian deaths and the shift in Canadian government:
First of all, and this you should know with even a shred of university education, correlation does not equal causation. The Canadian Forces were moved to Kandahar by the Liberal government and there was no shift in strategy and tactics with the new Harper government. The Taliban insurgency did not get off the ground until a few years ago and that is the cause of the Canadian deaths, not a new ”˜conservative approach’ to warfighting (if there is a shred of evidence of such a shift, please show me in your rebuttal, if not, concede that you were once again wrong). If you paid more attention to the real situation on the ground in Afghanistan instead of whatever half-assed websites you get your flawed information from (of which your posts here are filled with) your arguments might make more sense. Then again, linking the war in Afghanistan with how American fast food weakens our resistance to propaganda makes me think that there is little hope for you.

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Silversurfer (if that is your real name), it must really gall you that despite the fact the corporate mass media supports your warmongering with propaganda and lies at every turn, there are still people and alternative media outlets that are intent on telling the truth. Yes the Taliban were a horrible repressive government but the country they governed is a sovereign nation and no matter what the subterfuge, the US and its allies had no just cause for invading it...not when the Taliban was willing to turn over bin Laden to the US. Read this:
UN mandate? UN authorized? That's a stretch. Here's what one of Canada's leading jurists Osgoode Hall's Michael Mandel has to say about the opening of Operation Enduring Freedom:

"The Security Council passed two Resolutions on terrorism between September 11 and America’s attack on Afghanistan on October 7 (SR 1368 of September 12 and SR1373 of September 28). No honest reading of these could possibly conclude that they authorize the use of force. They condemn the attacks of September 11 and take a whole host of measures to suppress terrorism ... [N]ot once does either of these resolutions mention military force or anything like it. They don’t even mention Afghanistan by name. Nor do they use the accepted formula "all necessary means" of Resolution 678 of November 29, 1990 by which the Security Council authorized the Gulf War of 1991.

Absent authorization of the Security Council, the only even barely arguable legal basis for the war in Afghanistan is the right of self-defence preserved by Article 51 of the [UN] Charter ... (link)
But Article 51 surely doesn't apply either for several reasons, as Mandel explains.

... From the start, ISAF put itself at the service of the American operation, declaring "the United States Central Command will have authority over the International Security Assistance Force" (UNSC Document S/2001/1217). When NATO took charge of ISAF, that didn't change anything. NATO forces are always ultimately under U.S. command. The "Supreme Commander" is always an American general, who answers to the U.S. president. (link)
While Jack Granatstein, in concert with many others, sees a UN stamp of approval on America's Afghan war, honest observers should be more skeptical of the oft-repeated claims of government and military officials. The idea that the UN might take an independent stand from the US on such a matter is highly suspect. During the lead-up to the 2001 attack on Afghanistan, Bush administration officials seem to have regarded the UN as their personal clean-up crew: "Let the UN administer [Kabul] or maybe the OIC," Colin Powell advised Bush (OIC is the Organization of the Islamic Conference).
Bush asked [CIA Director George] Tenet, "How do you get the Northern Alliance to accept the Pashtun tribes?"
"The UN administration."
"It's okay with me," Bush said. "No problem with the UN doing Kabul." [Bob Woodward, Bush at War, pp 231, 236]
If you still think that the UN would only ever be backing a "Just War", consider the remarks of former UN Secretary General Kofi Annan when he explained how the UN became involved with the Iraq occupation.
"The Security Council’s mandate was for us to help the Iraqi people. I don’t think one can say that the Security Council sanctioned the occupation of Iraq, it merely noted the occupation of Iraq and asked the UN to help the Iraqi people..." (see reference here.)
Recall that Annan himself, while still S-G, had labeled the US war in Iraq "illegal"."
Well ss...that might seem like hair splitting to you but I still maintain that this is an illegal war and prominent Canadian law professors agree with me so I'm not even going to call that a draw.
As for DU it must also gall you that this toxic weapon is under fire by those who don't think it is right to explode toxic waste anywhere never mind during an illegal invasion/occupation. I think I'll stick with my opposition to this ghastly weapon and wonder aloud how anyone could attack someone for shedding light on a practise that will kill and maim innocents and warmongers alike...including Canadian soldiers in the latter group.
As for Canadian involvement under two different governments I'll stand by my assertions. You may think Steven Harper and Rick Hillier are gods but they are the worst kind of warmongers and the death toll speaks for itself.
I'll go one step further as it is obvious to me that silversurfer is one of the subject articles' authors (writing styles are like fingerprints). Your angst and frustration at my assertions and the contempt you feel for me plainly indicates that my assertions have hit their mark. Your response is defensive and desperate which is further indicative of the weak arguments that you have made in favour of Canada's actions in this illegal escapade in support of a genocidal imperial army.

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silversurfer
I am all for alternative media outlets, and I read them frequently. The difference between you and me is that you swallow the news they provide uncritically just because they are alternative. Hopefully this discussion has taught you to be more careful in the future. By the way, the ISAF mission in which Canada is participating is UN authorized. I quote you here ”˜the US and its allies had no just cause for invading it...not when the Taliban was willing to turn over bin Laden to the US’. There is ample evidence that the UN and the US tried to have Bin Laden turned over before the bombing started without success, Google is your friend. It is also interesting how you in your first post seem to put faith in the ”˜UN ban on DU ammunition’ and how failure to live up to this ban equals moral bankruptcy on the part of the very evil US and its brainwashed minions. Once you were proven wrong on this point, the UN was suddenly a US controlled entity which cannot be trusted. Make up your mind, which way do you want it? It seems quite obvious that you only accept news and facts that fit or are tailored to your ideological lens, even when you can’t find any tangible evidence for it. ”˜As for Canadian involvement under two different governments I'll stand by my assertions. You may think Steven Harper and Rick Hillier are gods but they are the worst kind of warmongers and the death toll speaks for itself.’ Yeah, the fact that you couldn’t find any evidence to support your claim (which you would undoubtedly have posted here under your Bob Woodward quotes) really rams your point home. It seems really realistic that the authors are hiding behind nicknames to get back at you. It is also telling that you think highly enough of yourself to assume that anyone feels threatened by your flawed logic and paranoid assertions when most of this thread is an unfolding of how you have got your facts wrong.


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sleepswithangels
silversurfer: I think the Pentagon has a job for you picking nits off its general staff. Anyone reading our posts here who is capable of dispassionate critical thinking would conclude that you are pushing an indefensible agenda and are overwrought with hatred and scorn at the very idea that someone would state that the side you have chosen are nothing more than war criminals hiding behind a facade of "good works".
Keep it up...I'm waiting to read about a certain soldier/blogger/propagandist having a coronary event while frothing at his computer monitor. I'd say don't shoot the messenger but I think you're the kind of guy whose whole life is a cliche and telling a soldier boy not to shoot somebody is about as futile as telling a priest not to drool over the altar boys.
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