I say NO

OMFG!! I saw the petition canvassers out in full force last weekend. I just dare you to have asked me to sign the petition. I would have refuaed flatly -- no -- Vancouver doesn't need a Broadway subway. Vancouver residents are still paying for the Canada Line. Vacouver's cost of living is already sky high. We all saw what happeed to the bussinesses along Cambie. Some never recovered. Don't be stupid and make the same mistakes. Translink can add more buses. No more subways! We can't afford it!

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A point of view

Jun 13, 2014 at 1:30am

I agree. My Grandparents owned a small business on Bloor St. in Toronto when the Bloor- Danforth TTC subway line was put in; they used the "cut and cover" as Translink did with the Cambie line- and said the same things- with the same result: hundreds of businesses were put out of business. Do we really want Broadway st.businesses to suffer the same fate?

Rich kids go to University; no one else can afford to. Why should the rest of us suffer for their incovenience of a slightly longer commute?

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Disagree

Jun 13, 2014 at 7:28am

This city is so far behind the times transportation-wise. London just celebrated the Tube's 150th anniversary. The Paris Metro is over 100 years old. The underground is a great way to move people efficiently and get them out of cars.

Vancouver, as a newer city, is woefully behind in this (in my opinion). These should have been built years ago, and it's sad that we're only getting these lines built now, long after everyone became totally dependent on cars.

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lord of freshly squeezed juices

Jun 13, 2014 at 8:52am

Are you serious? Have you taken the 99 during rush hour? I can be impossible to get on a bus sometimes. Extending it to UBC makes sense and its not just for the 'rich kids who go to University'.

Translink has made it pretty clear that a tunnel is preferred over a cut-and-cover scenario.

Yes projects like this are expensive but improvements to the efficiency of the area, reducing road congestion (hopefully) and improving livability of the city are costs worth bearing.

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RUK

Jun 13, 2014 at 8:52am

I'll sign it three times for you.

By the eyeball test, Cambie's doing much better than before the Skytrain and I can get to the airport for less than half a cab fare.

The subway is happening eventually and it's not going to be cheaper to make it in ten years. The studies have been done already.

I'm sorry your kids were dumb but university is not the only reason to get some of the congestion off the city's main east-west corridor.

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They should've done it when they did the Canada Line..

Jun 13, 2014 at 9:03am

Ya know the saying... kill 2 birds with one stone? They easily could've done them both when the Canada Line was being put in since it was busy, but not insane busy like it is now.

Doesn't affect me since i take the WestCoast Express into work DT and rarely around Broadway area unless chilling with friends. But i do feel for the businesses and people who will have to put up with that insane major delay if they go ahead with this..

And like anyone near UBC wants the train, they're all rich and never take the train, it's only going to be for the students. Just add more Bus's omg!!!

It doesn't make sense to ruin Broadway for another skytrain line just for students. I had to bus back in the day for College, why can't they? And going to UBC is just UBC!!! there is no development beyond UBC unless you want the train going into the Ocean lol..

It just doesn't make sense to make a train going there imo.

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You must...

Jun 13, 2014 at 9:48am

...be a driver. And if so, don't you agree that the Broadway corridor, while always horrendous and congested, has become absolutely intolerable over the last 10 years? Do you enjoy the gridlock? Or are you in the suburbs somewhere and ranting from your La-Z-Boy?

And if you are not a driver, how on earth do you think adding more buses to the disastrous glurt of vehicles along Broadway is going to be the best solution for commuters such as ourselves?

Did you ever protest the hundreds of millions of dollars that the city spent on refurbishing the barely-used B.C. Place Stadium?

Do you think things through before you say them, or do you just throw shit at walls and hope something sticks?

This city is in DESPERATE need of proper public transportation / a subway system, and Broadway is a fucking embarrassment right now without one. End of story. Period. I will sign that petition with twenty fake names to make up for your ignorance.

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Meathead

Jun 13, 2014 at 10:07am

Woefully misinformed. The Canada Line is paid for - at least securely financed. It came in UNDER budget and built AHEAD of time. The Broadway Skytrain extention will be tunneled, not cut and cover. The only disruption will be where the stations are built. Time to start digging!

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What about Surrey/Langley/White Rock?

Jun 13, 2014 at 10:15am

Honestly Surrey needs the expansion before the 99 B line route. The transit system in Surrey is much worse. It takes me over an hour an half to get to school everyday. Trust me I wish the worst part of my commute was the 99 b-line but in reality the 99 b-line is the best part. The worst part is trying to get from the skytain in Surrey to my university. There is no B-line just a bus that takes 45 min (just within Surrey) and runs every 20 minutes.

To everyone who says Vancouver needs it, try taking the bus in Surrey. Try having friends who need to leave your party by 10 pm so they can catch their last bus home. Try having friends who hate coming to your place because they don't know how they will get home or how much it will cost. Try having friends who don't want to drive because there is zero parking. Try having friends who would do anything to live in Vancouver but cannot afford to.

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funding idea

Jun 13, 2014 at 11:47am

So, if we are going to need a few billion to pull off the Broadway corridore line, how about we turn on the Asian immigration tap again, but this time charge them non-refundable money of their citizenship?

Let's think about this for a moment. If you want to buy a company, you buy both their assets and liabilities. Extending that concept, Canadians over our lifetimes and lifetimes of our parents, grandparents have paid taxes to build up infrastructure (assets) and taken on debt in part to pay for it (liabilities). In the end, we have one of the best countries to live in with roads, schools and healthcare that attracts foreigners to come here.

They pay nothing to get in, yet realize all of these paid-for assets immediately, and once they have citizenship, have rights to all future medical, schooling, etc.

Instead, why don't we charge them a factor of per capita debt? Maybe 5-fold? Currently, we have about a $200,000 per capita debt. Charge $1million to have access to all of our assets, and then focus that money (for all lower mainland new immigrants) at the LRT line. We would just need 2000 people. Heck, we were doing that many immigrations in less than a month before Canada wizened up to the scam that was going on.

So, let's fund future capital projects on immigration initiation fees and let them earn their way into our beautiful country that we have all paid for over our entire lives.

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Obvious

Jun 13, 2014 at 1:29pm

It's always so obvious when people post things like this, that they don't take the bus. I did not go to UBC, but I still had to take the bus along Broadway. When you have 3-4 B-lines pass by because they're full EVERY DAY, more buses are NOT the answer. During off peak the city would just have buses parked not doing anything.

Major cities require rapid transit. As the previous posters have mentioned, look at London, NYC - subways have been operating for YEARS.

Just stay in your car and find a different route. Let the people who these decisions actually affect state their opinions.

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