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I have come to the conclusion there is no free will.

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geeknomad

Mar 1, 2015 at 1:32am

It was inevitable that you would come to believe this, of your own free will.

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uknow

Mar 1, 2015 at 11:38am

nobody forced you to write that

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will-free

Mar 1, 2015 at 1:28pm

So you posted this confession because you had to and not because you wanted to?

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kenab

Mar 1, 2015 at 6:10pm

Yeah there is.

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cutie patootie

Mar 1, 2015 at 8:26pm

From some philosophical and spiritual perspectives, we have a certain amount of free will that can go unused. Although we are indebted to particular patterns which we feel compelled to follow since our birth, we always have the choice in redirect these karmic compulsions into more beneficial channels for greater self development.

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Correct

Mar 1, 2015 at 8:30pm

There is no free will, but nature makes most of the species delusional in order to maximize efficiency. It's really scary that organisms can be more efficient, on certain timescales, if they are delusional. Like how religious delusion leads to great architecture---and stupid people. Or perhaps great architecture leads to stupid people, how will we ever know? And even if we do, it will merely be the Universal Clockwork chugging away---so get rid of free will, knowledge, responsibility, etc. It's all simply mechanics, even if so complex that we cannot hope to fathom it all.

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Camel

Mar 2, 2015 at 5:57am

Keep moving forward!

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Mieaow

Mar 2, 2015 at 10:41am

How did you come to this conclusion, Conclusion?

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The Baby Jesus

Mar 2, 2015 at 3:00pm

I think the OP may be talking about material determinism. The hypothesis (if I remember correctly) goes something like this: If energy can neither be created nor destroyed, if for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction this means that everything, including the shaping of our ideas, beliefs, attitudes and all other cognitive functions are completely shaped and determined by these underlying forces (after all, which part of your material structure is not subject to these laws of physics?) Thus, if these things are true, then the fate the universe and everything to be in it was determined at the big-bang.

Quantum uncertainty threw some cold water on material determinism but, even then, free will isn't saved by this. At best, we can hope for random will. Of course, the determinants in material determinism are so far beyond our scope of experience that free will just seems obvious to us.

Some might want to invoke some kind of spiritual claims but these are subject to the same rules of evidence and reasoning as everything else. In other words, they must first be shown to have merit prior to legitimate invocation.

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@tbj

Mar 2, 2015 at 3:59pm

yeah, what he said, with all those words and stuff.

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