Friend Zone again

I am done with nice. Women of the world, you reap what you sow. As the saying goes "if you want men to stop being Assholes, stop dating them" To hear that despite the fact I am kind, honest, caring, generous, thoughtful, treated you better than anyone ever has, was the most considerate, best understood you... I could go on for quite a while But never enough. Never will be. Go back to the men that treat you like kleenex, it's exactly what you deserve/ Simply because that's who you choose to feed your insecurities. **And for the cheering section, I am neither fat nor ugly. I am quite good looking, fit, active and fun. I did however make two fatal mistakes. Treated her with respect during a tough time, and especially, I expressed actual feelings. Ya, what a tool I am. Lesson learned

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Nice girl

Jul 29, 2015 at 9:27pm

It's funny how guys always say girls choose bad boys over the nice guys but seriously.. what type of girls are these nice guys chasing? Certainly not the nice ones.
Sorry you got burned buddy but maybe start living like you're preaching and date a girl with a good heart.

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Your side of the story

Jul 29, 2015 at 10:08pm

How do you know you treated her better than anyone else ever has? It's easy to think that about yourself, but we are only hearing one side of the story - yours.

Maybe she isn't physically attracted to you, is interested in someone else at the moment, not ready to date right now, etc. There is a whole list of reasons why she might not be interested in you, and as a human being she has the right to make the choice about who she wants to date and who she doesn't. Just because you're nice doesn't mean someone is automatically obligated to date or have sex with you. Rejection is a part of life we all deal with - it's time for you to grow up and get over it.

Anyway, in my experience, the self-proclaimed "nice guys" are always disingenuous and reek of ulterior motives. If you're only being nice to fit your own agenda, that doesn't really count as being nice, does it? It's insincere, dishonest, and can be detected from a mile away.

Plus, anyone who blames an entire gender for the failures in their life, and bases their opinion of them on the actions of one or a few individuals alone doesn't really seem like a nice person in my books.

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YUUUP!

Jul 29, 2015 at 10:13pm

Dude I am with you on this one 100%. I have a great job, good looks, great communicator, blah blah all that stuff... yet every woman I make an advance on backs off and then I see them on facebook with their total douche ex or some drug dealer or a ugly/fat guy with money. I've been told before that I was too nice and that is why she see's me as more of a friend. What is with the mixed signals all the time?

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DdDd

Jul 29, 2015 at 11:09pm

I agree with you to a certain extent Op. In many of my situations, I fell head over heels for the romantic, sweet guy who treated me like a queen, only to have his mask gradually slip then completely fall off 6 months into it. And lo and behold suddenly he's the bad boy!! Meanwhile, the ones I did manage to leave, slam me in our circle- screaming from the mountain tops that' he is the nice guy dammit!!' I would take a closer look at where things went awry, could it be you are a self-saboteur? When things are going smoothly, do you get bored?

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Rachell

Jul 29, 2015 at 11:55pm

You are the common denominator in your own problems. It's not about her being wrong, it's you.
You chose to waste your time on someone who wasn't worth it.
It's a lesson we all have to learn.

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Well...

Jul 30, 2015 at 1:39am

You should realize that most people are not in touch with their desires; they have all sorts of repressions and hangups through which they express their desires. Rituals, taboos, etc. Every society has them!

The mistake you are probably making is thinking that women approach relationships in a rational manner. Even smart women do not, at least not in broad strokes. Of course, there are exceptions. So, even though you look good on paper, even in the case where the woman is simply shopping for a stable provider for children, she will potentially balk based on qualities that could never be defined or quantified.

Men don't have this problem, because for a sexually well adjusted man who isn't a eugenicist, the right woman is whichever is available at the moment. Women, on the other hand, have biological consequences for doing that sort of thing---men in certain societies have social or conventional consequences, but women have natural consequences! I mean, this is the issue: if she were rational, she'd be a lesbian, because breeding activities quite often, in nature, result in the woman dying. So, you know, all of the smart women are lesbians. At least, this is the depressing fact in my social circle...

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Nice guys

Jul 30, 2015 at 1:52am

What's up with all the 'nice guys' chasing after drama queens, golddiggers, women with issues, etc? You get what you deserve. Treating her with respect was a mistake? A real gentleman treats everyone with respect, not just to get in a lady's pants/skirt. You're not entitled to a relationship no matter how 'nice' you are. She didn't do anything wrong, except to reject you. You sound bitter. You need to get over yourself.

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"Too nice"

Jul 30, 2015 at 5:17am

means you aren't assertive or even aggressive enough. It's not about being rude, or rapey, it's about going for what you want, and not giving a damn about failing or not getting approval. Accomplishing this without making an ass of yourself or self pitying when you fail, or essentially coming off as a douche, and getting back to the goal when you do face setbacks is the point. Perhaps you dilly dally and hesitate too much.

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Steady Eddie

Jul 30, 2015 at 7:23am

You may be like me, a 'fluffer' of sorts. I've had the unfortunate luck of pursuing women who've just come out of horrible relationships (I mean, they're single and awesome...I gotta act fast) and I have this savior complex of sorts. So I get all close to them, yet give them their space, let them empty all the sadness on me, and they treat me all nice and warm...and a few months later...voila I'm in the friends zone and they've met someone else. Happens every time! I've come to the realization this is my role in life and I don't care anymore. I'm not really a man so I can't expect them to want me, so I'll just go it alone and do my duty.

To the OP I suggest you just learn the lessons given and move the fuck on. If you're "good looking, fit, active and fun" then you should have no fucking problem attracting many more women over the years. Seriously dude, you got a leg up on most of us average-looking single dudes...I can't really feel sorry for you at all. Get back to work!!

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Natty

Jul 30, 2015 at 7:49am

"Nice guys" are the worst, because they can never admit their own faults or address the features of their dating style that get them into trouble. Self reflection is can open doors.

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