Vancouver’s drive-throughs leave car captives wanting more
During the week, Jennifer Dickson drives her kids—three boys under five—around North Vancouver, circulating between preschool drop-offs, groceries, and other chores. And yeah, at least once a week, they eat lunch at a drive-through restaurant. The kids invariably choose chicken nuggets; she (in spite of her dedication to a personal trainer) eats a burger and fries. She’d prefer more flavour and less fat from these meals—not to mention the ability to support independent restaurants. But what can she do?
The boys, aged four, two, and four months, won’t sit still for a restaurant meal. Even entering a fast-food restaurant requires unbelting three kids, herding them through a parking lot, forcing good behaviour while standing in line, and then negotiating a stroller and two hungry tots through chaos while balancing a tray loaded with drinks and food. To Dickson, it’s not just impossible—it’s political.
“With kids, I am totally disabled in society,” the former legal secretary told the Georgia Straight in a phone interview from her home. “Drive-throughs are one of the few services that really accommodate the speed and the pressures of parenting a modern family.”
Locally, the limited drive-through market is owned by big chains: McDonald’s, Burger King, Wendy’s, Tim Hortons, Starbucks, and Triple O’s. While pedestrians reap the benefits of the food truck initiative—which introduced independently owned, healthy, and multicultural fare to city streets—those who are stuck in their cars are also likely to be stuck with burgers, fast food-style salads, and doughnuts. That is, until McSushi, McBanh Mi, and McDosa hit town. Or, until residents vote in governments that support more drive-throughs.
Vancouver, Burnaby, and North Vancouver city planners are notoriously anti-window, according to Ian Tostenson, the president of the B.C. Restaurant & Foodservices Association—much more so than in the rest of the province. In 2008, the City of North Vancouver debated a bylaw that would have banned drive-throughs on the basis of idling cars and greenhouse gases. (It was defeated—but the city still has just one such restaurant: an A & W.) In addition, Vancouver planners haven’t approved a new drive-through for at least five years, according to the City of Vancouver’s manager of communications, Barb Floden. (The city doesn’t keep track of how many businesses have applied for one, she explained.)
“It’s ridiculous,” Tostenson raved on the phone from his office. “These are people who have over-green interests gone wild. Drive-throughs serve parents with young children, seniors, other people with mobility issues. They’re a major convenience.…Governments shouldn’t curtail responsible commercial development, especially the way the economy is now.”
Like food trucks, Tostenson argued, relaxing the puritanical approach to drive-throughs could be an opportunity for smaller establishments to expand and get creative. While his own drive-through days are mostly over—visiting them used to be a treat for his two boys on their way home from soccer—encouraging new customers is just good business.
Vancouver’s director of transportation doesn’t think so. Jerry Dobrovolny explained that, in any development-permit decisions involving transportation, the city prioritizes the following in order from highest to lowest: pedestrians, cycling, transit, goods movement, and finally, cars. In the case of drive-throughs, a permit would usually require a car to cross a sidewalk—giving preference to the driver over the pedestrian. Thus, planners usually don’t approve them.
“We are proponents of healthier and local options for food,” Dobrovolny countered, citing the food truck program and the expansion of community gardens into roundabouts and boulevards. He pointed out that Vancouver’s pro-walking and cycling initiatives have garnered international kudos for livability.
Dobrovolny, who cycles to Vancouver city hall from New Westminster nearly every day, also pointed out that “the more you drive, the heavier you are.”
To Dickson, these arguments are insulting.
“Seriously? They should put parents at the top of their list of priorities,” she said. “For 20 years, I worked downtown, and commuted by transit or bike. But when I first had kids, my mornings started with a preschool drop-off, a daycare drop-off, and having to get to work late each day because my childcare didn’t start till 8:30. I couldn’t have done it on transit or a bike.
“So you ride your bike in from New West. What that tells me is you’re not looking after anyone but yourself. He [Dobrovolny] should walk a day in my shoes.”
Tostenson pointed out that the “quick service” restaurants with drive-through windows are working hard to deliver healthy alternatives—such as Wendy’s Nutritious Options menu (which includes a side Caesar salad with no dressing), and Burger King’s Tendergrill chicken sandwich.
Still, he said, he doesn’t choose those options at drive-throughs. On the rare occasions he visits one, he orders “the biggest, juiciest burger I can get my hands on” because the experience is a treat.
Similarly, frequent drive-through patron Dickson doesn’t order fast-food salads and other healthier fare, due to the cost. “Eight dollars for a salad? To me, that’s a sit-down restaurant price.”
Alas, the road to healthier, more flavourful, and independently owned drive-through fare seems very long indeed.





The roads are wider, the parking lots bigger, the housing cheaper and the drive throughs more plentiful.
The city is becoming more and more dense, space is at a premium and cars are becoming less and less practical.
We will always need them of course for certain tasks and occupations (parenthood often included), and we will never do away with them completely, but I agree it's important for us to prioritize more practical and efficient transportation methods in our jam packed city.
You're not "disabled" because you have kids. You're a parent. Get used to it.
Poor me! I have to get a burger in a drive-through because a salad is too expensive! It's so rough living in the first world.
“Drive-throughs are one of the few services that really accommodate the speed and the pressures of parenting a modern family.”
I despair for the "modern family".
There is no such thing as a shortage of drive-throughs. That's like saying there is a shortage of vomit scraped off the pavement being served to anyone who will eat it.
Would previous posters be happy to sit in the diner booth next to a family of muddy soccer kids?
Can't imagine trying to get four people through town on transit on multiple trips per day. Sometimes using a car is not the worst option.
re:MarkBowen... isn't North Vancouver the suburbs?
Most men cannot handle the amount of work most Mom's I know do, they think they do a lot, but the reality is they don't.
Having children is a choice, having 3 children is a larger choice. We live in different times now. Families spent much more time together and less time playing outside in the park with their friends. (Parent supervision at all times.)
It is ignorant to compare you and your family from 20 or 30 years ago to the society we live in now. Not everyone has a large family to support them.
As my good friend says, if I see a mom and kids having a tough time in public, I know that it did not just happen. There was significant lead up time. I surely hope you are not the person giving me the scowl when my toddler has a meltdown.
Note to T-bag, u r ignorant too.
Signed, burned out working mom who does drive thru's and who's children will be paying for your old age pension and health care.
You aren't a political movement or an oppressed underclass - so shut up already.
And drive-throughs will soon be seen as a strange relic of a by-gone era, so start adapting.
It is equally likely that your drive-thru-fed children will be massive, diabetic, sedentary drains on my pension and health care.
parents aren't disabled.
i like the city we live in and the limited efforts to move away from a car-centric culture. you can always get take-out if you need to get a meal from a restaurant. the grocery store is another place to get healthy, kid-friendly meals.
That being said, I cannot agree that drive-thru is the answer. Not just because I choose not to support driving as a lifestyle, but because I don't agree that we should support more segregation of kids and families from a childless public. It is this sequestering of kids from everyone else that encourages this attitude that kids are a plague to be kept from society until they are trained to enter it politely and acceptably. If kids in public were more normalized, it would not be an issue to have a toddler having a tantrum in a restaurant, and parents would feel more comfortable taking their kids wherever they need to go.
But also, I just can't agree with a Drive-thru lifestyle in general - this hectic so-called "Modern Family" lifestyle. If your life is so fast-paced that you don't have enough time to make your kids something healthy to eat after lessons or sports, you should maybe consider simplifying your life, not expect the city to add conveniences that could result in a host of negative consequences.
Yes, sorry, it would be an issue. Come on - this shouldn't be normalized any more than you deciding to change a diaper right there on the table or letting your kid barf in someone's food.
I've got nothing against parents when they are considerate and don't expect strangers to indulge all manner of child behaviour - like throwing a public tantrum. You see, a considerate parent would leave the room with the tantrum-throwing toddler. I've actually seen parents do this. It's actually a really simple concept.
Preach! Kids are great. Food is creat. Cars are great too, sometimes.
But complaining that modern life is not set up *enough* around automobiles = wufuk
As a mother of young children, I would love a drive through grocery store or a drive through Subway.Taking three young children into any location gives you a 33% chance of a tantrum, an outbreak of screaming of a teething baby, or a tired children on the way home from swim lessons.
Reality is that the basic needs of a child have not change since the beginning of time. Love, sleep, food, etc. Society, transportation, etc no longer believes "it takes a village to raise a child." Remove mothers and offspring to the suburbs with a car, support bus and bike friendly working fathers into town, and be sure to end up with well adjusted young people who contribute to society.
Fast food isn't the issue. Its about being permitted to move about the city without looks and glares of distain when a stroller appears or a child makes a sound.
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