Vancouver’s drive-throughs leave car captives wanting more

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During the week, Jennifer Dickson drives her kids—three boys under five—around North Vancouver, circulating between preschool drop-offs, groceries, and other chores. And yeah, at least once a week, they eat lunch at a drive-through restaurant. The kids invariably choose chicken nuggets; she (in spite of her dedication to a personal trainer) eats a burger and fries. She’d prefer more flavour and less fat from these meals—not to mention the ability to support independent restaurants. But what can she do?

The boys, aged four, two, and four months, won’t sit still for a restaurant meal. Even entering a fast-food restaurant requires unbelting three kids, herding them through a parking lot, forcing good behaviour while standing in line, and then negotiating a stroller and two hungry tots through chaos while balancing a tray loaded with drinks and food. To Dickson, it’s not just impossible—it’s political.

“With kids, I am totally disabled in society,” the former legal secretary told the Georgia Straight in a phone interview from her home. “Drive-throughs are one of the few services that really accommodate the speed and the pressures of parenting a modern family.”

Locally, the limited drive-through market is owned by big chains: McDonald’s, Burger King, Wendy’s, Tim Hortons, Starbucks, and Triple O’s. While pedestrians reap the benefits of the food truck initiative—which introduced independently owned, healthy, and multicultural fare to city streets—those who are stuck in their cars are also likely to be stuck with burgers, fast food-style salads, and doughnuts. That is, until McSushi, McBanh Mi, and McDosa hit town. Or, until residents vote in governments that support more drive-throughs.

Vancouver, Burnaby, and North Vancouver city planners are notoriously anti-window, according to Ian Tostenson, the president of the B.C. Restaurant & Foodservices Association—much more so than in the rest of the province. In 2008, the City of North Vancouver debated a bylaw that would have banned drive-throughs on the basis of idling cars and greenhouse gases. (It was defeated—but the city still has just one such restaurant: an A & W.) In addition, Vancouver planners haven’t approved a new drive-through for at least five years, according to the City of Vancouver’s manager of communications, Barb Floden. (The city doesn’t keep track of how many businesses have applied for one, she explained.)

“It’s ridiculous,” Tostenson raved on the phone from his office. “These are people who have over-green interests gone wild. Drive-throughs serve parents with young children, seniors, other people with mobility issues. They’re a major convenience.…Governments shouldn’t curtail responsible commercial development, especially the way the economy is now.”

Like food trucks, Tostenson argued, relaxing the puritanical approach to drive-throughs could be an opportunity for smaller establishments to expand and get creative. While his own drive-through days are mostly over—visiting them used to be a treat for his two boys on their way home from soccer—encouraging new customers is just good business.

Vancouver’s director of transportation doesn’t think so. Jerry Dobrovolny explained that, in any development-permit decisions involving transportation, the city prioritizes the following in order from highest to lowest: pedestrians, cycling, transit, goods movement, and finally, cars. In the case of drive-throughs, a permit would usually require a car to cross a sidewalk—giving preference to the driver over the pedestrian. Thus, planners usually don’t approve them.

“We are proponents of healthier and local options for food,” Dobrovolny countered, citing the food truck program and the expansion of community gardens into roundabouts and boulevards. He pointed out that Vancouver’s pro-walking and cycling initiatives have garnered international kudos for livability.

Dobrovolny, who cycles to Vancouver city hall from New Westminster nearly every day, also pointed out that “the more you drive, the heavier you are.”

To Dickson, these arguments are insulting.

“Seriously? They should put parents at the top of their list of priorities,” she said. “For 20 years, I worked downtown, and commuted by transit or bike. But when I first had kids, my mornings started with a preschool drop-off, a daycare drop-off, and having to get to work late each day because my childcare didn’t start till 8:30. I couldn’t have done it on transit or a bike.

“So you ride your bike in from New West. What that tells me is you’re not looking after anyone but yourself. He [Dobrovolny] should walk a day in my shoes.”

Tostenson pointed out that the “quick service” restaurants with drive-through windows are working hard to deliver healthy alternatives—such as Wendy’s Nutritious Options menu (which includes a side Caesar salad with no dressing), and Burger King’s Tendergrill chicken sandwich.

Still, he said, he doesn’t choose those options at drive-throughs. On the rare occasions he visits one, he orders “the biggest, juiciest burger I can get my hands on” because the experience is a treat.

Similarly, frequent drive-through patron Dickson doesn’t order fast-food salads and other healthier fare, due to the cost. “Eight dollars for a salad? To me, that’s a sit-down restaurant price.”

Alas, the road to healthier, more flavourful, and independently owned drive-through fare seems very long indeed.

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MarkBowen
If you want to drive everywhere you go, go and live in the suburbs.

The roads are wider, the parking lots bigger, the housing cheaper and the drive throughs more plentiful.

The city is becoming more and more dense, space is at a premium and cars are becoming less and less practical.

We will always need them of course for certain tasks and occupations (parenthood often included), and we will never do away with them completely, but I agree it's important for us to prioritize more practical and efficient transportation methods in our jam packed city.
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Justin Berger
Since when did the Straight start running pieces from the Onion?

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JohnL1
No offense to her, but perhaps she could just discipline her kids enough so that they behave in public. I come from a family of four kids and we were always well-behaved, especially when we were treated to a meal out. Kids have too much of a sense of entitlement these days. A meal out is a treat for children and if treated as such, the according behaviour will follow. And if not, well there are larger issues at stake for the family than a monotonous food selection.
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Morty
We've taken our kids to restaurants since they were born. They've eaten everywhere from Moderne Burger and Save-On Meats to Vij's and Blue Water Cafe and Raw Bar. (We took them to Blue Water when the oldest was six and the youngest was 11 months.) Teach your kids how to carry themselves in public rather than demanding that the industry (and city planners) go out of their way to accommodate you.

You're not "disabled" because you have kids. You're a parent. Get used to it.
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T-bag
Stop driving, problem solved.
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Amazed
Has this woman never heard of a lunchbox?

Poor me! I have to get a burger in a drive-through because a salad is too expensive! It's so rough living in the first world.

“Drive-throughs are one of the few services that really accommodate the speed and the pressures of parenting a modern family.”

I despair for the "modern family".

There is no such thing as a shortage of drive-throughs. That's like saying there is a shortage of vomit scraped off the pavement being served to anyone who will eat it.
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KarenDW
Interesting perspective on the day-to-day challenge of parenting young children. As a single mother of now-grown children, I can appreciate the struggle of moving three little ones in and out of a restaurant; especially a crowded quick shop.
Would previous posters be happy to sit in the diner booth next to a family of muddy soccer kids?
Can't imagine trying to get four people through town on transit on multiple trips per day. Sometimes using a car is not the worst option.
re:MarkBowen... isn't North Vancouver the suburbs?
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cranky mom
Morty and JohnL1, I have a funny feeling that neither one of you have done as much driving, feeding, and planning as this Mom. Dad's do less. Less activities, less cooking, less grocery shopping, and less school volunteering. Are you even a parent?

Most men cannot handle the amount of work most Mom's I know do, they think they do a lot, but the reality is they don't.

Having children is a choice, having 3 children is a larger choice. We live in different times now. Families spent much more time together and less time playing outside in the park with their friends. (Parent supervision at all times.)

It is ignorant to compare you and your family from 20 or 30 years ago to the society we live in now. Not everyone has a large family to support them.

As my good friend says, if I see a mom and kids having a tough time in public, I know that it did not just happen. There was significant lead up time. I surely hope you are not the person giving me the scowl when my toddler has a meltdown.

Note to T-bag, u r ignorant too.

Signed, burned out working mom who does drive thru's and who's children will be paying for your old age pension and health care.
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RP
I don't care about your spawn. You chose to have children - quit expecting everything to cater to every one of your particular kid-centric needs. It never ends. How about you try and navigate your way through adult civilization and put up with a few minor inconveniences like the rest of us - one of them being everything kid-inclusive and kid-friendly and nerfy and child-proofed.

You aren't a political movement or an oppressed underclass - so shut up already.

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FR
And why should we put parents at the top of the list of priorities? What makes you better or more important than everyone else exactly? Have you looked around at the state of the world lately?

And drive-throughs will soon be seen as a strange relic of a by-gone era, so start adapting.
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R U Kiddingme
@cranky

It is equally likely that your drive-thru-fed children will be massive, diabetic, sedentary drains on my pension and health care.
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disabled?
poor car drivers. not enough infrastructure devoted to them.

parents aren't disabled.

i like the city we live in and the limited efforts to move away from a car-centric culture. you can always get take-out if you need to get a meal from a restaurant. the grocery store is another place to get healthy, kid-friendly meals.

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Double double
The Tom Horton's on Terminal near Main is not a drive-thru, but is clearly designed to be one. Perhaps they're waiting for a car-friendlier city council, to open a window there.
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CarFreeTwoKids
As a parent i am constantly appalled by the level of disdain that childless folks have for kids and parents.No i don't feel disabled by my two kids under three, but I am not about to agree to anyone who suggests I might be able to everything I used to before kids with the same comfort and ease, and I think other people should take this into consideration.

That being said, I cannot agree that drive-thru is the answer. Not just because I choose not to support driving as a lifestyle, but because I don't agree that we should support more segregation of kids and families from a childless public. It is this sequestering of kids from everyone else that encourages this attitude that kids are a plague to be kept from society until they are trained to enter it politely and acceptably. If kids in public were more normalized, it would not be an issue to have a toddler having a tantrum in a restaurant, and parents would feel more comfortable taking their kids wherever they need to go.

But also, I just can't agree with a Drive-thru lifestyle in general - this hectic so-called "Modern Family" lifestyle. If your life is so fast-paced that you don't have enough time to make your kids something healthy to eat after lessons or sports, you should maybe consider simplifying your life, not expect the city to add conveniences that could result in a host of negative consequences.
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Daddy-O
My parents raised five kids without ever going through a drive-in. I've raised my kids without ever going to a drive-in, or even a fast-food restaurant. I know many people who have kids who don't even own cars. If you want to raise your kids in a car, and feed them crap, I feel sorry for your kids.
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RP
"If kids in public were more normalized, it would not be an issue to have a toddler having a tantrum in a restaurant, consideration."

Yes, sorry, it would be an issue. Come on - this shouldn't be normalized any more than you deciding to change a diaper right there on the table or letting your kid barf in someone's food.

I've got nothing against parents when they are considerate and don't expect strangers to indulge all manner of child behaviour - like throwing a public tantrum. You see, a considerate parent would leave the room with the tantrum-throwing toddler. I've actually seen parents do this. It's actually a really simple concept.
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CarFreeTwoKids
Of course I am going to take my kid out if she is having a tantrum. I take issue with folks who expect me not to go into restaurants at all with a kid who MAY have a tantrum, because I may bother them on our way out the door. My child is generally good, and we have taught her how to behave in public, but she's two, you can't expect her to have full control of her emotions no matter how well she's been taught, and I shouldn't be expected to always stay home because of that.
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RP
Fair enough, CarFree. There are parents that don't do that, unfortunately.
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R U Kiddingme
@ Carfree

Preach! Kids are great. Food is creat. Cars are great too, sometimes.

But complaining that modern life is not set up *enough* around automobiles = wufuk
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Complaining?
I believe the point is that once you have kids, you are no longer on the agenda of Vancouver. Not that fast food is the answer. As CarFree says, no one in downtown Vancouver restaurants wants three children under the age of four sitting next to them. No one is claiming "disability" in the true sense of the word.

As a mother of young children, I would love a drive through grocery store or a drive through Subway.Taking three young children into any location gives you a 33% chance of a tantrum, an outbreak of screaming of a teething baby, or a tired children on the way home from swim lessons.

Reality is that the basic needs of a child have not change since the beginning of time. Love, sleep, food, etc. Society, transportation, etc no longer believes "it takes a village to raise a child." Remove mothers and offspring to the suburbs with a car, support bus and bike friendly working fathers into town, and be sure to end up with well adjusted young people who contribute to society.

Fast food isn't the issue. Its about being permitted to move about the city without looks and glares of distain when a stroller appears or a child makes a sound.
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