Private yoga colleges and the Private Career Training Institutions Agency face off over government regulation

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Yoga guru Shakti Mhi is done bending over backward for the government.

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After years of following provincial regulations governing private colleges like hers that train aspiring yoga teachers, she now wants bureaucrats off her mat.

The founder of the Vancouver-based Prana Yoga Teacher College says she has withdrawn her school’s registration with the Private Career Training Institutions Agency, a Crown corporation under the Ministry of Advanced Education, Industry and Training.

“The government has nothing to do with yoga,” Mhi declared in a phone interview with the Georgia Straight.

Mhi has started a petition entitled “Freedom for Yoga” that calls for the removal of PCTIA regulations, which include mandatory registration with the agency and payment of fees.

According to the petition, most schools that train yoga teachers are already “regulated to international standards by organizations that understand the nature of yoga”. It notes that most B.C. companies are members of the Canadian Yoga Alliance, which in turn belongs to the International Yoga Federation.

PCTIA isn’t sitting idly by in the face of Mhi’s defiant posture.

“You can’t unilaterally say to a regulator that you’re not going to be regulated,” PCTIA registrar and CEO Karin Kirkpatrick Campbell told the Straight in a phone interview. “That’s like me deciding I’m not going to pay taxes anymore.”

According to her, institutions that operate without PCTIA registration can be slapped with a court injunction and fines.

Created by legislation, PCTIA covers private vocational schools that charge at least $1,000 in tuition and offer programs of 40 hours or more. It administers a Student Training Completion Fund that refunds fees to students if their school shuts down before they complete their studies.

PCTIA charges three fees that vary depending on the nature of the institution. There’s a fixed annual fee: for example, schools bringing in $100,000 to $349,999 per year have to pay $2,400.

PCTIA also collects an amount that ranges from 0.28 percent to 1.03 percent of a school’s tuition-fee revenues.

Additionally, the agency levies a fee of 0.40 percent to one percent of tuition earnings for the Student Training Completion Fund.

When Nakul Kapur started offering teacher training at his Divine Light yoga centre in North Vancouver, he was advised by PCTIA to register. But when he learned about the administrative requirements and costs, the yogi decided not to comply.

“I was not in a position to register,” Kapur told the Straight by phone. “It’s just that I do not have that much of a financial comfort to be able to go with their requirements. It is very, very expensive for a small school like me.”

Kapur, who continues to run his school, stressed that yoga is a very traditional practice, a point that Mhi also makes.

“Yoga is ancient and has not been regulated,” Mhi said, adding that PCTIA has no expertise regarding yoga.

While Mhi claims that she withdrew her school’s registration, PCTIA’s Campbell counters that the regulatory body actually suspended and later cancelled its registration for failing to meet standards.

“The kinds of schools that we regulate are hypnotherapy to film schools to hairdressing schools, so we hire individual people who we call ‘subject matter experts’ to go into institutions and to work with our staff, and these people know the sector and know the industry,” Campbell said. “So when we sent people on-site to Prana to do their accreditation review, we sent people who have professional backgrounds in yoga and yoga programming.”

Mhi will lead a public yoga event opposing government regulation on Sunday (October 21) at Trout Lake Community Centre starting at 6 p.m. It’s billed as an evening of music, dance, and deep hatha.

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Birdy
YES! The government needs to regulate sitting on the floor..
Just look at all the historical evidence that unregulated yoga leads to chaos and suffering and war. Dangerous shit, it's like feeding a walrus LSD, then trying to make love to it.

Thank god we have the state to keep us safe from other people quietly streching.
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Stone Hays
PCTIA is a complete joke. What experience or value do they bring to the province. This is nothing more than a cash grab. I wonder what experience they have working for a school or college. I believe the answer would be none. I believe they are a negative contributor to provincial growth and should be shut down.
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YogaLover
I find it fascinating that Shakti Mhi has suddenly gone from proudly proclaiming her school as the "First Accredited Yoga Teacher Training College in Canada" (thanks to PCTIA) and this year when PCTIA SUSPENDED Prana, she has turned on them like a pitbull in the ring.

It's important for everyone to understand the reality and facts - PRANA WAS SUSPENDED for failing to meed the basic educational standards required by Yoga Teacher Training Colleges, they did not opt out of PCTIA as Shakti would love us all to believe.
Want proof visit - http://www.pctia.bc.ca/listings/suspended

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WestEndChiro
It is ignorant for people to believe Yoga is simply a practice of sitting in lotus or stretching. It is filled with postures (asanas) that if taught incorrectly can be very harmful leading to back, neck or knee injuries. As Yoga has gained speed as a public form of physical exercise regulation is needed to ensure the class you attend is taught by a properly trained teacher. If Ms Mhi failed to demonstrate and pass standards that other schools such as Semperviva have full filled any intelligent individual should question taking training thru her.

As well teachers receive help for tuition and tax breaks when taking completing education thru PCTIA, thus it helps us not only ensure Yoga Teachers are up to standard but also aids them in their education.

Sorry Ms Mhi but your war with PCTIA simply comes off as a temper tantrum by a child whose toy (accreditation) was taken away. Not becoming of a self proclaimed Spiritual Teacher nor Guru.
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Savio
Of course yoga teacher training should be regulated! When you take a class that involves balancing on your head you most definitely should have some assurance that your instructor is properly trained to make sure you don't break your freakin neck. No one likes bureaucracy, red tape etc but some form of regulation is absolutely necessary to make sure that people who are in a position to potentially do serious harm to others, don't. If not PCTIA than who? Should we let the industry police itself? Yeah, like that works.
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GZLFB
Although the Maharishi or Chopra cutlist organizations, TM-Sidhis, wasn't stopped by the regulation. What really certifies someone, if there is nothing needed to qualify someone and guarantee it isn't cult related more than any other occupation claiming health benefit. Then could you just not learn it and teach it from a book? If it weren't for cult concerns I'd agree it would be absurd. Could have a private board like Doctors and so on. Some can claim independent and still be a franchise of a cult practice. Then again one has to ask, is NLP treated the same way? What other of the Yuppy Granola Arts are demanded to do this? Have to think is there someone through the cracks, is this being kept along the lines of philosophy. Personally, if they are considered an independent I think they should not be presumed frauds, but only investigated on claims. Groups are a different matter, organizations or incorporated circumstances suggested a certain amount of over view or certification that is recognized. Psychs aren't held on a tight enough leash either, in fact they can have you forced to see them.
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Lotusland
A couple of decades ago, Prana Yoga tried to copyright the word 'prana' so that no one else could use it (Good Luck with that). Now, as YogaLover so clearly points out, the Prana school is complaining about an accreditation system they previously crowed about and profited from (can you say Government tuition loan?).

Ifat (AKA Shakti) is a ridiculous woman. Nice that she provided a 25 year old picture of herself.
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YogaDefender
YogaLover is actually quite WRONG!

And PCTIA's Campbell is being disingenuous when she implies that Prana's suspension was was the catalyst of Prana's withdrawl.

It was clearly the other way around. In June 2012, Prana advised PCTIA they were choosing to drop out of accreditation. At that time, their status with PCTIA was in good standing.

In response, PCTIA told Prana they couldn't opt out, and threatened to "fail" Prana because Prana no longer allowed PCTIA to visit and inspect the college.

Sick and tire of PCTIA's threats, in August 2012, Prana advised PCTIA that they were opting out of the whole PCTIA registration system.

On October 2, PCTIA formally released Prana from its clutches.

Don't believe me? Check YogaLover's own link and notice the effective date for the suspension - it's Oct 2. http://www.pctia.bc.ca/listings/suspended

YogaLover should check her facts before posting such baselessly derogatory opinions.
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jackai
Ifascinating ..regulating yoga but the government won't regulate the beauty industry when clients get burned scalps.

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Todd Caldecott
Accreditation by government means absolutely nothing of consequence. All of the accountants that served with Enron were licensed CPAs, and licensing did nothing to prevent that fiasco. Likewise, government staff and politicians are perennially found to be involved in scandals, kickbacks and all manner of schemes that erode public trust. The PCTIA exists to serve the PCTIA and its offices and employees - plain and simple. People that support the PCTIA's position clearly have little knowledge of the history and practice of yoga. Does anyone really think that yoga would have evolved in India in such a bureaucratic environment? Regarding the comments of West End Chiro, they are meaningless when Prana Yoga is clearly registered with self-regulating authorities such as the Yoga Alliance, which knows a great more about yoga than the PCTIA. As for the other comments, such as those by Lotus Land, they merely come across as mean spirited and petty - perhaps just a competitor hiding behind pseudonym? As for me, I teach at Prana periodically, as I do in many locations, for other schools all over BC - some PCTIA registered, some not. I have seen no evidence that Prana's training is any less than any of these other schools, and nor do I have the sense among graduates that they aren't satisfied with the training, or are deficient in some manner. Likewise, I have seen students of PCTIA certified schools that graduate with a deficit of knowledge, so simply being registered with the PCTIA means nothing.
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Maria Zinetti
Great points by West End Chiro!
If Prana failed to meet standards other schools have been able to achieve I would not take a class with them. Simple as that. Maybe Mhi should be more focused on improving her school and less on battling institutions (not very "zen" of her).
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Songdancer
PCTIA helps to regulate costs, ensure institutes are run properly and ethically financially (so students don't get ripped off) and that the education standards are met. If Mhi can't meet these standards she should not be teaching at this level.
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YogaDefender
When PCTIA registrar and CEO Karin Kirkpatrick Campbell says PCTIA suspended Prana for "failing to meet standards," she's sneakily skirting the paradoxical 'catch-22' fact that Prana's choice to opt out and subsequent refusal to allow further inspection are the very "standards" Ms. Campbell and PCTIA measured and used to 'fail' them.
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Ellulite
FROM THE ARTICLE:

"Created by legislation, PCTIA covers private vocational schools that charge at least $1,000 in tuition and offer programs of 40 hours or more. It administers a Student Training Completion Fund that refunds fees to students if their school shuts down before they complete their studies."

Obviouslly..."Yoga" ...in the context of this article...is what they call a "red herring".
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Soleil
What no one is pointing out is that Yoga Alliance (the organization that Prana is saying "regulates" teachers and practitioners) has no real system in place. Do they perform a site inspection? No. Do they review your financial records to ensure honest accounting methods? No. Do they measure your educational standards and teaching practices are up to par? No. What do they do? they simply require you to mail them your course curriculum with a completed form and of course fees and send you back a certificate. What kind of regulation is that?
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Tom Wilkerson
Haha Lotusland. You're so smart... Prana (ifat) tried to patent a name{which never happened}, what's next, Patenting a flow? Haha ha ha ha ha... Bikram's. Did. Ooopps. The system is screwed. And you whiners who don't even understand what the fight is. It's not about being regulated. We already are. To have to do a workshop I need to pay the government per head now? When the 'auditor's' that came in to 'audit' Prana came in... they had no idea what they were looking for. They were hired by Pctia for their knowledge of yoga because Pctia had no knowledge of what yoga is. So who was in charge at PCTIA of hiring who they hired to go audit, if you have no knowledge of what you're hiring people to look for, if you dont even have a Yoga Branch, don't you think you should first get educated before deciding to regulate something? Oh, and get a life. How is any of this credible? LOTUSLAND, you're so smart.
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Go Canucks!
Isn't Shakti Mhi that Israeli woman Ifat Erez who pretends to be an Indian yoga guru by changing her name to Shakti Mhi and wearing weird saris and gothic velvet cloaks ?
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YogaMaMa
PCTIA may have costs attached but it offers great support to potential students in the form of loans and provides some sort of regulation. Saying Yoga Alliance is enough is ridiculous as with Yoga Alliance there is no real insurance of quality as Soleil expressed. The fees to Trainers are not as bad as it sounds.... remember those fees are for courses which cost over $1000...

It sounds more like Mhi has a personal issue here with PCTIA but has turned it into a public fanfare.
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Charity
@YogaDefender. You are obviously part of Prana having such insider knowledge of the supposed play by play “facts” and dates. At least Todd Caldecott had the courtesy of identifying himself by name and as a Prana Instructor. I actually did go on the PCTIA website (per your link) and the facts are clear. According to the website, Prana College FAILED the standard institutional audit and FAILED to meet “Basic Education Standards”. PCTIA upon conducting an audit gave Prana an opportunity to remedy the situation which they failed to do in a timely manner resulting in a suspension (Sept 10th) and eventual cancellation (Oct 2nd). YogaDefender’s claims that Prana “resigned” from PCTIA is akin to someone fired from their job insisting publically that they quit! Nice try though. Apparently the yogic principle of Satya (truthfulness) does not apply to Prana-brand spirituality.
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Tom Wilkerson
um.. charity.. nice to be so ignorant, actually it's bliss in your case. People from PCTIA showed up, Prana told them to leave. PCTIA, said,'really?" And the rest is history.. because Prana resigned PCTIA doesn't know what to do and has tried to create a category.. further PRANA sent PCTIA a number of letters for PCTIA to answer or be found negligent, like their financial records, etc. and gave them 7 days to respond, Prana continued to extend the deadline to give them a chance to be found credible as an institution... now PCTIA is in some trouble because by not responding they have acknowledged that they are not really a credible institution and have taken their fight to the surpreme court... because if they cannot collect fines then they are not real. They actually quit. As in resigned. As in said no mas... so keep.. try the yoga principal of silence if you know nothing about what you're saying. It's akin to being smart.
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