Something's usually wrong when a 31-year-old is dating a teenager

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      Email Dan

      I am the father of a recently out 18-year-old gay boy. Here’s the problem: my son is in a relationship with a 31-year-old guy. I’m not okay with that. Yes, my son is a legal adult at 18 and can make his own decisions, but he’s also still in high school. His mother argues that in order to be supportive, we can’t object to this relationship. I don’t think this is a gay-versus-straight objection. If I had an 18-year-old heterosexual daughter who was in a relationship with a 31-year-old man, I would have exactly the same concerns and objections. Beyond that, even if I can establish that it’s okay to have an objection, or to feel the need to take some action to be supportive for my son, I don’t know what I can or should do. What say you, oh wise one?

      > One Concerned Dad

      Your wife is wrong.

      Homophobic parents are bad for gay kids. But “supportive” parents who let their gay kids get away with murder—supportive parents who stop parenting their gay kids because they worry about seeming homophobic if they object to lousy gay boyfriends, choices, apparel, et cetera—aren’t doing their gay kids any favours, either. Your son, despite what he might tell you, needs his parents to advise him, meddle in his affairs, even object and interfere.

      Here’s what I would do if I were in your shoes, OCD—I would take my son’s 31-year-old boyfriend out for a beer and ask him a lot of pointed questions: how did you meet my son? Are you having sex with my son? Are you using condoms? What is your HIV status? How old was your last boyfriend? And, finally, do you realize that I will tear you gay limb from gay limb if you hurt my gay kid?

      As for your son, OCD, tell him that you realize gay guys his age sometimes date older men because there aren’t a lot of boys his own age to choose from. (If you didn’t already know that, now you do.) And tell your son that this gay dude you know—that would be me, OCD—told you that something’s usually wrong when a 31-year-old is dating a teenager. Something’s usually wrong with the 31-year-old. There are exceptions, of course, and maybe his boyfriend is exceptional—maybe he’s not a jerk who pursues naive boys because gay men his own age can see through his shit—but the simple fact of his age requires that he be subjected to a higher degree of scrutiny than a first boyfriend who was closer to your son’s own age.

      Finally, OCD, tell your son that you know he’s an adult and free to date whomever he wants. But you’re his dad and he has to hear you out—whether he wants to or not.


      I’m 16 and an openly gay boy in a very welcoming community. My first boyfriend and I broke up recently. We’ll be friends again, I’m sure, but now I don’t even have a hint of any sort of anything on the horizon, and it’s driving me insane. All the out gay guys here are nice, but most are sassy stereotypical caricature flamer types and I’m not attracted to any of them. But those are the kind of people who are out at 16. I just hate thinking I’m alone for the foreseeable future. I know the logical thing is for me to wait, but how am I supposed to wait? Is there any alternative?

      > Whiny Angsty Sad Teen Entreats Dan

      Sorry, WASTED, but you’re gonna get the same advice I give to hard and hard-up 16-year-old straight boys: worry less about getting your 16-year-old self laid and more about getting your 20-year-old self laid. Get out of the house and do shit; get books and read shit; volunteer for a political organization and change shit. You’ll have more boys to choose from in a few years and you’ll be a more interesting, more informed, more attractive guy thanks to all that doing, reading, and volunteering. Beat off in the interim, WASTED, remembering to vary your masturbatory routine (left hand, right hand; firm grip, soft touch; with toys, without; lots of lube, just a drop; et cetera), and try to cultivate your own erotic imagination (translation: don’t jerk off to Internet porn exclusively; use your imagination once in a while).

      I’m not telling you that you should wait until you’re 20 to date. But you’ll find the next few years less aggravating if you take the long view and keep busy, all the while jerking it to your part’s content. And who knows? You might meet a nice boy while you’re out there doing shit.

      As for those “sassy stereotypical caricature flamer types”, WASTED…

      SSCFTs can be attractive, and some guys are into SSCFTs. But some boys react to the pressures of being young, gay, and out by dialing it up to 20. It’s a force field—it’s a fierce field—that many SSCFTs eventually drop. Which is to say: you may have already met your next boyfriend, WASTED, but his fierce field was up. You might want to give ’em a little time.


      My 13-year-old nephew, who is straight, was in a play last year. It was a very positive experience. The only problem is one of the theatre group’s fans, who is 50 and gay, befriended my sister and seems to be fixated on my nephew: he posts to my nephew’s Facebook page; he’s constantly asking my sister to allow my nephew to spend the night at his apartment, et cetera. I would like you to weigh in on this situation, Dan. Other family members share my suspicions, but we’re afraid to say anything to my sister because she has a temper. Should I go ahead and tell my sister and brother-in-law that I think the guy is attracted to my nephew?

      > A Worried Aunt

      Thanksgiving, 2019: “I’m so sorry you got raped when you were 13. I thought something was off about that guy. But I didn’t say anything at the time because I was afraid your mom would yell at me. So, um, pass the yams?”

      Unless you’re looking forward to making an apology like that after your nephew confronts his whole family for failing to protect him when he was a child, AWA, you should speak the fuck up. Talk to your sister, temper be damned, and talk to your nephew, too. Your sister could be colour-blind in addition to being an anger bomb—prone to rages and incapable of seeing red flags—and it’s possible that your nephew already told his mother that this man makes him uncomfortable and got yelled at himself.

      Firmly raise your concerns, AWA, but don’t make accusations. You may not have all the information. It’s possible that this man has no sexual interest in your nephew. It’s also possible that your nephew is gay, recently came out to his mother and father but wasn’t ready to come out to his extended family, and this man is mentoring your nephew at your sister’s request. But even so, fiftysomething gay men do not invite 13-year-old boys to sleepovers for the same reason fiftysomething straight men don’t invite 13-year-old girls to sleepovers: suspicions will be aroused, even if nothing else is. In my opinion, the invite itself is a mentor-disqualifying display of piss-poor judgment.

      Speak up, AWA.

       

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      Comments

      17 Comments

      bdubblut

      Mar 29, 2012 at 10:05am

      ok another celebrity column writer getting old and tired.
      LOVE IS LOVE.
      time will tell.
      and threatening violence is no better than being a bully.
      expected a more thought out and reasoned advice but this is just fanning flame into existence.
      take a holiday and get a grip.

      Bruce

      Mar 29, 2012 at 7:06pm

      OMG.
      Dan, I believe you nailed it... me, straight (but loving someone 22 years younger) IT'S NOT THE YEARS... it's the real vibe underlying any age difference.
      All parents have to be involved with their children. When their children move out, still be involved. Works 100% 100% of the time. Loive and light.
      ~Bruce Ryan

      silly

      Apr 1, 2012 at 5:15am

      hey i always signed "In Love and Light" bruce, you stole mine! :)

      Man

      Apr 2, 2012 at 6:27pm

      If some 50 year old "gay" guy wanted my nephew to sleep over my foot would be up his ass instantly, same as if it was a niece and a "straight" guy. The pissy Mom would be like, "Did you hear what happened to so and so? Broken back."

      I hate phony ass chameleon pedophiles, hiding in and using the gay community, or the scouts, or the church, or whatever. If you play the gay card and try to paint me for a nazi for whooping your ass I'll bring my gay friends in drag and we'll whoop your ass a second time, in heels, in the God damn hospital, beat you with your bed pan. The judge would be like, "Well, it was obviously not a hate crime, because look at the second beating! What an innovative defense."

      lerato

      Dec 14, 2012 at 5:36am

      I'm 16 and I'm dating a 31 year old man and I love him and he has a child so I'm worried about my parents what will they say or how will they react when they find out about this please help me guys I'm seeking for help.

      Michael

      Oct 11, 2014 at 2:52pm

      Okay I am a bisexual male myself and I am gonna ask why should you as a parent care if your son or daughter's boyfriend or girlfriend is 10-15 years older? Here is the only things that should matter period! Is your son/daughter happy? Does he/she treat them right? are they in love? that is all that should matter whether gay straight male female! I would never sit there and tell a grown child who they can or cant date based on age difference that in itself is bigoted (ageism) who the fuck cares if they different ages ever think maybe he happens to have interests that are more common in a different age sociologically! This is the problem with our society we have such a black and white ideal of what a "proper couple" should be not age range etc. Its a bunch of sociological bullshit! all that a good parent should care is 1. happiness 2. how partner treats them and 3. are they both equally in love!

      Michael

      Oct 11, 2014 at 3:09pm

      The reality is no parent ever likes the boyfriend girlfriend when they first meet them regardless so when its something less common like age difference or even gay most parents go into "the gotta protect my baby mode" cause as a parent that's what you see when somethings different! However admit it once you get to realize the man who is lets just say 20 years older than your adult-child cares about/loves and respects your son/daughter and your son/daughter his happy and in love you'll be happy for them cause in all truth that's all any decent parent can ask for their son/daughter to have is happiness and love and no decent father or mother would step in and ruin that just cause he's 15-20 years older!

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