Terminally single? Here's what's wrong with you

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At 32, Sofi Teleky has long, strong legs that an Arabian mare would envy, plush brown hair, toned everything, and a lilting accent from her native Hungary. She also owns an e-commerce business that sends her to Europe for months at a time. In her spare hours, she puts her smouldering looks to use as an actor; recently, she played a sexy maid in a short film. She’s smart, hot, accomplished, and on her own. Yes, boys. She’s still single. And, she said, it’s all your fault.

“Sometimes I see a cute guy in the lineup at Starbucks,” Teleky, who lives in Delta, told the Georgia Straight in a recent phone interview. “I’ll smile and look, and look away, and flirt, and he’ll never approach me. Guys here have no testicles. That’s a huge problem. But women can also be really hard on men. Especially the attractive ones.”

It’s no new revelation that Vancouver is a tough place to meet a mate, or even date. The Straight interviewed several singles who, like Teleky, have looked for love for a decade or longer with little success. Also like Teleky, they are lust winners overseas but love losers here. Is it their problem or the Lower Mainland’s?

Statistically speaking, Vancouver’s never-married, separated, divorced, and widowed folk represent 58 percent of the population, or 293,320 people, according to Statistics Canada. That’s a significant sea in which to miss finding a fish. Other Canadian cities are comparable: Toronto has 53 percent single folk; Edmonton 55 percent; Montreal 66 percent; and Victoria a whopping 70 percent.

But flummoxed singles still blame this city for their personal romantic drought.

Sarah Jones, for example, is a 34-year-old paramedic from North Vancouver who’s just returned from three months in Argentina and Brazil. A breakup 18 months ago left her raw, she told the Straight. And she’s not looking for a husband quite yet. She said she’s not emotionally ready for a partner again. But the South American men easily coaxed out her inner vixen.

“They’re fabulous,” she gushed. “They have no problem telling you how they feel and if they want you and what they want to do with you.” At first, she admitted, the aggressiveness turned her off. But, she said, she soon realized that it was far more lighthearted than the attention she gets in Vancouver. Here, she said, if a guy asks for a phone number, it’s a huge deal for him. “Down there, it’s like, ”˜I like you. Let me take you for dinner.’ ”

Describing himself as “super single”, TV production designer Tink (who goes by that name alone) also has trouble with Vancouver. He’s attracted to men and women he describes as “interesting, out-there people”. As a model, he found them in London, Barcelona, and Rome, he told the Straight. As a filmmaker, he found them in New York. As a designer, he found them in Tokyo. He just doesn’t find them here.

“In a city like L.A. or Tokyo, you’ve got people at the top of what they do creatively, and it’s satisfying. There’s a buzz. I have tons of friends I love dearly in Vancouver. But someone that sparks me? I don’t have that.”

The city isn’t the problem, according to Diederik Wolsak, the founder of the Choose Again Center for Attitudinal Healing. Instead, it’s that so many singles look outside themselves for what’s missing inside.

“There’s six billion victims on the planet,” Wolsak told the Straight. “Your job is not to make someone else happy, and their job is not to make you happy. Your job is to fall in love with you, and my job is to fall in love with me. And we are madly in love with each other doing that.”

Most folks, Wolsak explained, don’t have a clue what they want in a relationship. And when they’re in one, they don’t know what the purpose of it is. To him, it’s simple: love is happiness; “it’s more fun than anything you can imagine.” He suggested this, like the concept of Namaste—the divine in me greets the divine in you— is a spiritual-relationship theme that extends across faiths and time: the Upanishads, Buddha, and so on. Young people, he said, have an easier time grasping the concept of intrinsic worth, as do First Nations people. It’s older people and white people, he said, who struggle with it the most. To build a worthwhile relationship, Wolsak said, everyone must start with the idea that they’re intrinsically valuable—apart from the size of their paycheque or the firmness of their buns—and that those they are dating are intrinsically valuable as well.

That’s not a local problem, Wolsak explained; that’s a western-world challenge.

However, lifestyle coach Ronald Lee said Vancouver’s vibe is indeed an impediment to love. His dating-coaching service works hard to give locals the social skills they need to talk to the opposite sex—a simple platform that’s frequently missing, he told the Straight during an interview in a West Broadway coffee shop.

“In Vancouver, we’re looking for someone to take care of us,” he said, noting that many women are looking for wealth, and men for a mommy figure. “We’re screening harder because we think we’re entitled to more.”

At the same time, he explained, there’s a dangerous stasis in the city. Generally, no one is working as hard as the Edmontonians or Torontonians to meet each other. Vancouver guys, he said, will memorize scripts before hitting the bar, or put on a he-man act for the evening; women, on the other hand, will dress poorly and reject everyone without giving them a chance.

Asha Gill, 41, doesn’t have much patience for Vancouver’s shallow dating scene, so she’s single. After a marriage that ended in divorce six years ago and mad dating afterward, she’s narrowed her relationship search to reflect her experience. She doesn’t have a checklist of qualities, such as romance or cash, so many of her same-age girlfriends screen for, she said. Lasting love, she’s discovered, is really about good day-to-day communication, being understood, and seeking to understand.

“Being loved by a partner and having that kind of loving exchange, nothing can touch that in terms of how it makes you feel,” Gill told the Straight, explaining why she’s still looking for love. “You can be happy on your own. And I am. But nothing can touch that feeling.”

As for Teleky, she’s not looking for love anymore. Raised behind the Iron Curtain on a literary diet of Jane Austen and the Brontí«s, she once had a heart full of romantic fantasy. Now, as an adult, she’s given up on the Prince Charming dream; at the same time, she’s also given up on romance.

“No one dreams of a really dependable man who has maybe lost his hair or is short,” she said. “Everyone wants a Mr. Darcy.”

In a city where Teleky said she has trouble finding even a decent conversation, she’s stuck in no-man land.

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Stella Layner
Thanks for the great article regarding singles in Vancouver. I think it is debatable wether or not the sngle life in Vancouver is up to par with that of overseas.
I have met many a single attractive men in Vancouver. I think Vancouver women have a lot of unrealistic expectations from men. Sure, in Brazil or Hungary men see what they want and taketh. That is their culture. So, if that is what you need in a man....move there! Oh, and just a little hint...no woman who is that beautiful should compare her legs to an "Arabian Mare". Not a good image:(
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sleepswithangels
There is a lot of truth in what I read here about the unrealistic expectations of singles. As a man on the "wrong" side of 50 I have given equal opportunity to dating women of my own age only to find a lot of neurotic behaviour bordering on all out mental illness. Now I only seek women under 40 and am pleased with the results. I've worked really hard to stay fit and am cultured and well travelled which leads me to make some startling observations about the ageism which permeates our unsophisticated city. In South America I was hit on several times by travelling 20 somethings from Europe and Mexico. Same thing in Asia (and none of them were pros..you dirty minded lech).
I think girls here mostly find older men repugnant because of their junk food built bodies but also because of the crass boorish way Canadian men signal their interest in younger women. If you're finding it difficult to connect with people here then it's probably because you haven't done anything to broaden your horizons....like travelling outside of packaged tours, volunteering with socially conscious organizations, becoming an avid culture vulture or just plain rethinking your criteria for relationship bliss.
Sofi..if you read this drop me a line at biggerthanbothofus@gmail.com

I won't bite but I might nibble a little.
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jbwilson24
Great article. I think the advice offered by Wolsak and Lee is on the money. Although I no longer live in Vancouver, much of the article's contents also applies to my current locale of Victoria, where the dating scene is also fairly difficult.

As for the woman quoted in the article, I have to say that if I encountered her in a Starbucks, I would not assume she was single. Even worse, I find the caucasian women in vancouver to be arrogant and unfriendly. The asian and east indian women in the city are among the most fun, kind and down to earth people you can meet anywhere, but asking a white woman the time of day carries a risk comparable to smacking a hungry tiger in the rump with a pork chop. It's simply not worth the bother to approach women in casual settings, if the odds are good that you are just going to get treated like a fly in someone's ointment. Far better to get involved in the community by volunteering, taking dance classes (etc). You stand a much better chance of making friends (and therefore relationship partners) in that manner.





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romeogolf
Enjoyed this article. Having a number of single friends trying to meet people, I have to shake my head as to why people put barriers up when it comes to just talking to someone new. Either there's too much judgement or too much paranoia; maybe both. I wish there were more open conversation without expectations on either side. For those of my friends who tell me they have trouble meeting people even through work and the community, I recommend they travel outside the country for some relief from the oppressive stress of it all.
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StevenM
As someone who works in an industry full of young, highly educated and predominately single young men, the most common complain I hear is that women in Vancouver treat men who flirt with them as essentially perverted; that they are made to feel guilty simply by striking up a conversation with a young woman that they are attracted to.

I have no idea how widespread this feeling is (I am not single and have only been living in the city for six months), but I'm surprised how many young men I work with who have bluntly said that they're either leaving or considering leaving the city because they just can't meet any women here.

For some reason, I get the feeling that there isn't so much a shortage of young singles, but perhaps young people (under 35?). Anyhow, interested article!
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Margaret
There is much more to life than "dating" and the seduction ideas of Lee and his peers. Most dating coaches in Vancouver are young unattached guys with limited life experience. Perhaps the many singles in town should look to new sources for help.
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freewilly
It's a good read for sure. Vancouver is a tough crowd. Lots of beautiful people but there is a block. It's that, attitute problem. It's a perception of attitude by the sounds of it. If you see someone beautiful, you automatically think they are out of your league. It's natural to think that way. I say, use the internet and straight.com singles adverts. Why not? I would.
-- I'm not the most intelligent, but I always have an opinion. My current project: Refurbished Netbooks
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MX
vancouver lacks beautiful people most are average at best, I know this having lived in Socal and south beach . if there is an article posted on this you know something is up. There is even a documentary called no fun city about how bad it is here I have the trailer on my computer
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vancitygirl
i've lived her for all my life and i think there are a lot of superficial people in vancouver..girls are after rich guys who drive expensive cars and guys are so consumed with hair transplant and working out, it's pathetic. maybe that's why i loved the movie "Avatar" cuz a guy with crippled legs had the potential to be a hero while that buff cocky old guy died..
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BT
I'm from a smallish prairie city and it's hard to relate to this article. Out here, people tend to get hitched up young, so it can be really tough to find a decent single person past age 30 or so. The people profiled in the article sound very fit, well-healed, wealthy, successful, and high-maintenance.

The problem is more the person they see in the mirror. If they "got out there" a bit more, they'd have no major troubles. Just enjoy people. If you find someone who’s fun, nice-looking and good-hearted, then it’s probably a decent match.

StevenM and freewilly's posting are very telling....
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Jonny
This article makes more sense to me than AskMen's 2010 top-29 rated cities for dating that placed Vancouver at number 11. I have no idea why they rated Vancouver so high. They must be marketing to a specific demographic.

I hear mixed reviews all across the scale about the beauty of Vancouver women. I think there are plenty of good-looking women. The sad thing is I see no "cute" women with a heart of gold and without a ring of gold. Well I guess it's as they say, "you don't find love, it finds you."

@vancitygirl I have some money in the bank and I do drive a fancy car. I do get eyes every now and then from girls with a boyfriend next to them. I guess they're expecting someone to come rescue them. I do live comfortably, but I guess because I grew-up on a farm in the Kootenays I'd trade it all for a chance to live like Jake Sully.

@Pieta I'm 30 and would you suggest I try approaching younger women? I've dated my own age (or slightly older) and often get stone-walled or ridiculed when I suggest we go play in the mud. My own buddies don't even like to play in the mud (anymore).
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Melissa
You know.... a male friend of mine said the same thing - a woman with her girlfriends will go into a bar - and they all want the same guy! Now, I'm not into bragging, but the single GF that I normally hang with is not as attractive as me, but guys approach her all the time - and she's usually not interested in them. (Neither am I, but...) - the point is, that I worry that one day, we might be out and I might see someone I think I'd like to chat with but she'll like him too... and then what?

I'm so sick of the bar, sick of online dating. I just want to meet a nice guy who has a life, is focused, and into the same activities as me. I am happy with my life and very busy - single mom of one awesome kid, 40 years old and been told that I'm very attractive. I have great genes and totally don't look 40, look after myself... so what gives? Even a few years ago I was a serial dater, but now I haven't met anyone that I'd like to date...what gives? Everyone on online dating just wants to email back & forth...what gives?
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truth about vancouver dating
I've been living in vancouver for 9 years, and tried hard to find woman, I have to tell you that all the girls in my class have boyfriend already, 90% guys I met are single.
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One of the 293,320 single Vancouverites
K, I am a single female in my late 20's. I go to lounges, restaurants and various events where I meet a lot of people. I have a 'cool' job, I am easy on the eyes and I have something to say. I get attention but I rarely get approached.

The biggest issue with the Vancouver dating scene is the fact that men are too afraid / lazy / unsure / unmotivated to pursue because us women make them that way. We are too ready to do all the work!
I am huge believer that if a man is really interested - he will do the pursuing (at least some of it). When he doesn't - I assume he is not interested.

If those men only knew that by being a little bit more persistent - many gorgeous women would love to give them a chance to love them and be loved back! On too many occasions (in my case) an average looking guy had an advantage over a better looking, taller, louder guy because he wasn't 'too cool' to be forward and say ' Look, I like you! I am interested! I want to see you again!'


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in the not in the in-crowd
Break those barriers People! Com' on! It's like yer's gotta be intradouched by yer bro' or the ladies don't know your legit. i got my crew but then they don't know too many ladies so we just hang on the Granvile together and cruse.
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Fed up
I agree with SevenM and jbwilson24

"the most common complain I hear is that women in Vancouver treat men who flirt with them as essentially perverted; that they are made to feel guilty simply by striking up a conversation with a young woman that they are attracted to. " "...women in vancouver to be arrogant and unfriendly"

I (and my friends and coworkers etc) can't even say "Hi to a woman without them turning up their nose at me in a 'How dare you try to talk to me' attitude, and they ignore me. Sometimes they'll say "Hi" back, but make no further communication and just get the hell out of there. Basically, treating me like they are afraid that I'll follow them around like a lost puppy if they give any sort of encouragement. Only married women look at me, smile, say hi, chat with me (and flirt with me too!!); that is really annoying to find out they are married. I guess the way single women try to attract men is to totally ignore them. It doesn't work!! The only time women make eye contact with me and give me a smile like they are interested is when I'm in traffic and there's no chance that I'll ever know who she is - off she goes never to be seen again - anonymous and safe (probably married!).

I've tried dating sites for the last couple years - no difference. They treat all the guys like perverts. No matter how good a match you are, no matter how many similar interests you have, they won't respond to any messages. And women NEVER send men a message first - they just sit around deleting all their messages and get off on the ego boost at how many guys are interested in them. And what excuse do the men get for this attitude? "Well, if women don't message you back, then they are not interested, don't take it personally." That's no excuse for the 'How dare you message me' attitude; it's no different from their attitude on the street.

A female friend of mine said explained all of this as: women always look for things to eliminate men (too tall, too short, has dark hair, had light hair); no matter how many compatible traits they have with each other, just one or two little things will eliminate a man. On the other hand, men are always trying to find compatibilities. Even if they only have one or two things in common with a women, that's enough for a start.

I've made a point to get out to parties, gatherings, events, etc. in order to meet other like-minded people. Oh, I have some good conversations, but all of the women keep their distance (I mean, they will not flirt and keep conversation/body-language/etc. very neutral in that regard).

Anyway, it's very frustrating. The women sit around waiting for a man to approach them (because they are too afraid to approach a man) and when men approach, women just turn everyone away and they are left there sitting alone wondering why they are single and can't find a good honest decent guy. I know women who've been going from guy to guy for twenty years straight, never being single for more than a couple months, and they are always with the wrong guys for them. Then there are my other female friends, who have been pretty much single for twenty years because they are too picky and won't consider anyone who's less than perfect.

I went for a short trip to Montreal once. It was SO bloody refreshing to have women approach me, talk to me first, and just be generally open and laid back. I was only there for two days, but it was a great two days that I'll always remember. The more I travelled, the more I realized that it seems this up-tight attitude women have is localized to where I live. I shouldn't be surprised, because this is exactly how the girls in school acted, and now that they are adults, they just haven't changed at all - I expected them to grow up and out of this.
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forget about it
Single guys here have no choice but to give up. For some reason 7/10 ers here throw on leather boots and their recent shopping attire and figure they are better than any men wanting to meet them. As a successful, intelligent, educated sincer guy, I say go to Europe, s. America or elsewhere where pretty girls still want and appreciate good men. The girls here deserve their own company...
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Theresa
I have lived for varying periods of time in 4 different countries, on 3 different continents. I have also spent many years living in the GVRD. I cannot speak to what the cause may be, but there absolutely is a huge difference between Vancouver men and men everywhere else I have been. I base this upon my own experiences, and the stories I hear from friends, and other women I meet. Put succinctly, the men of the GVRD have no idea how to treat women. they seem to spend more time trying to impress one another, than on trying to make any impression on women at all. I speak only of the ones that were raised there. Men who live in the GVRD, but come from other places, seem not to have this problem. So apparently it isn't something in the water. But perhaps it isn't a problem at all. Perhaps they are just not interested in women. Anyway, I have certainly given up on dating them.
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poppi
I don't think its Vancouver men in particular,its men in general.I am single and I have tried and tried to get the right kind of man.Someone who is a clean living,hardworking guy with a decent attitude and lifestyle.I myself am a graduate,welltraveled,into reading,music,yoga.Not paranoid about career.I have a easy going attitude and soft personality and it could be guys see me at some prop to their ego.

The best men complain about not being able to find a good woman but they will choose a been there,done it all type over a focused and committed type like me.

I am pretty much not willing to sttle for a guy who wants to share his previous emotional baggage with me so that I can give him reassurances that I will love him and nurture him.I do not have any emotional baggage and while I acccept that people do......they should have dealt with it beforehand.

I try to be friends with guys and get to know them before anything else.Life is too short to be stuck with the wrong person.I am friends with a guy who needs me.Intialling he was in a job,was studying and single.I since found out that while being friends with me he was living with a woman yet he said he was single.Yet he was jealous of ME ?

He wanted reassurances off me that I loved him and cared for him.He had the face of an angel and yet he could tell me he was single and available. I have known him 3 years and he lived with a woman for the first 15 months of that time.So I preferred to be just friends with him and he does not understand why.

I decided that since he never told me that................I will wait till it comes up to mention it sometime and you know what....he asks me to judge him by the content of his heart.Men need to start being men.

Its not too much to ask that a man should not have been all over the shop.That he has an education.That he is wellgroomed,polite and wellspoken and that yes....he would like to have a family with a girl who knows what committment is.

Honestly.....you have more of a chance of finding that needle in the haystack.
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Trevor
I've worked hard at overcoming my shyness and I do smile at women and strike up conversations, but I find people in Vancouver so aloof. The women I talk to smile and are polite but rarely can I get a conversation going. They just quickly go back to what they are doing put on their headphones or bury their noses in a computer or book. It's getting really frustrating, I feel like I'm 100% responsible to initiate and get things going. Women could help a little and try to flirt more or anything to keep things going. I'm just about ready to give up and just hole up in my apartment. I've been putting myself out there for months now and got a whole lot of nothing.
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