B.C. NDP leadership forum in Surrey tackles education

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The B.C. New Democratic Party leadership hopefuls visited Simon Fraser University’s Surrey campus for an education-themed all-candidates meeting today (March 20).

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All five contenders participated in the event, which was the first of nine party-sponsored leadership forums planned across the province in coming weeks.

The race to select a replacement for former NDP leader Carole James has entered its final month with a party vote set for April 17.

Today’s leadership panel drew around 200 people to the Surrey university campus to hear the candidates tackle questions about public education at all levels in B.C.

Vancouver-Kingsway MLA Adrian Dix said it was important to hold the education-focused event in Surrey.

“As all of you know who are from Surrey 8,000 students are going to be learning in portables next year in Surrey because we have a government that doesn’t care about public education and didn’t plan for the people in this community and the people around British Columbia,” he said.

Dix emphasized the need for a new funding formula for elementary-level and secondary-level public schools.

“People are aching for public investment in education in B.C. and we will deliver it,” he said.

On postsecondary education, Port Coquitlam MLA Mike Farnworth said any provincial spending is an investment in the future success of B.C.

“Postsecondary education isn’t a luxury, it’s a necessity. It’s vital to the social and economic future of the province of British Columbia,” he said.

Farnworth has proposed reducing student loan interest rates and restoring a provincial grant program.

He attacked the record on education of Premier Christy Clark, who has previously served in the B.C. Liberal cabinet.

“The legacy of Christy Clark as education minister is a dysfunctional education system,” Farnworth said.

“If she gets to be premier that will be our future and we don’t want that. That’s why it’s crucial we win the next election,” he added.

Juan de Fuca MLA John Horgan acknowledged worry about the affordability of postsecondary education, but indicated he is also concerned about the financial situation of educators.

“Are they being adequately compensated relative to other jurisdictions? It’s same in the K-12 sector. Are our educators being adequately compensated for the good work they do building for the next generations?”

“I don’t believe that’s happening,” Horgan said.

Also on postsecondary education, former B.C. Marijuana Party leader Dana Larsen highlighted the expensive prices many college and university students pay for textbooks.

“As premier I would try to work towards an open-source textbook system,” he said. “This has been done successfully in California and Florida and other American states and it drastically reduces the cost of textbooks both for the taxpayers and for the students. I think this is a key issue for many people.”

Powell River-Sunshine Coast MLA Nicholas Simons said postsecondary tuition fees are too high.

“That’s the beginning and the end of that problem,” he said. “And what we need to do is restore funding from government to universities to the level that they were a decade ago.”

“Right now students are paying approximately 35 percent of the cost of their education whereas in 1991 they were paying approximately 15 percent,” he added.

Simons also suggested that public school teachers need more support.

“We have to guard against the attack on unionized workers in this province,” he said. “That is a trend that is sneaking into our society and we need to be forcefully standing against it.”

“The kids will be protected when teachers have a say in the quality of education that they can provide.”

The next NDP leadership forum in the nine-stop tour is in Kelowna March 21.

See also: Photos: B.C. NDP leadership contenders debate education at SFU Surrey

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Steve Y
We spend $8500 per student per year in this province. That should be enough to not have our students in portables but our teachers are ridiculously over paid, as well as everyone else involved in our education system.
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tim.
steve y. i disagree. relative to the amount of money we are spending on ridiculous things like corporate tax cuts and roofs that don't close, every penny paid into education is well worth it. we should and could be investing more and integrating the education system with other goals of our government. but we aren't under the bc liberals.
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Just wondering
The Liberals have sent the education system to the scrap yard alone with everything else in BC returning only to cannibalize what is left of the finances to pay there wealthy associates through grandiose schemes. It is appearing that I may be able to kill two birds with one stone so to speak. Vote in someone with a platform that includes the rest of us and kick a monster out of Victoria.
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Steve Y
tim- if we elect the NDP we'll spend money on ridiculous things like subsidies that don't work and boats that don't float. Politicians can't build anything right, on either side of the aisle. But a classroom of 30 ($250,000 per year) should be way better than what we have. Where is all the money?
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NoLeftNutter
tim. - The government doesn't own the productivity of people or corporations therefore, to equate tax cuts as "spending" is wrong. Only whack job socialists try to frame the discussion in those terms. Per pupil funding conttinues to go up, school boards need to spend the money more effectively. And, we still haven't heard how much the grand plans of the NDP leadership contestants is going to cost, or who's going to pay for it.
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Rox
Better students require better classrooms. Better classrooms require better teachers. Better teachers will never be found if the BC Teachers Federation isn't disbanded and educators are hired based on their qualifications - not on where they stand in the BCTF food chain.
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Looking for Real News
@noleftnutter - how many BCLiberals have you demanded answers from on how THEY plan to pay for anything? Get off of your fraser instinktoot couch and admit you are only on here to be a shit disturber.
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Steve Y
Public teacher supporters - name 10 jobs in the private sector where you will never lose your job, get paid 80K + per year, retire with an awesome pension, and only require a liberal arts major. If anyone can name these jobs I'll vote NDP.
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Akat
@Looking for Real News: I think it is a fair question to ask how much any promises will cost and how they will be paid for. I'm happy to pay taxes, and I believe in strong publicly funded programs including education throughout life. But I've been disappointed in the past by New Democrats who promise and then fail to deliver because there isn't enough money. I'm also concerned that under the Liberal government wealthy interests have successfully achieved a large degree of tax avoidance, leaving the rest of us to pay. I want to know how the NDP will deal with that too.
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Bob Pellow
I would agree to paying classroom teachers more. They carry the freight for the school system and deserve every cent they are paid. What I would not support is to continue the system that pays everybody a salary based on level of education and time served. Thus, somebody with an MA and twelve years of work in the system is at the top of the salary scale regardless of his work load. The best paid people in the system are principals for the most part and they are not, in my opinion, carrying the freight. In my education system classroom teachers would be well paid professionals backed up by a small cadre of lesser paid paraprofessionals. School secretaries, for example, would take care of the administrivia and get good salaries for their work. There would be no principals/vice-principals/administrive assistants, etc. I know that the NDP and/or the Liberals would never undertake such a radical rejigging of the system so we will continue much as we have always done for the last century or so.
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Rick
Steve Y!

Industrial Instrumentation Mechanics, Refrigeration Mechanics, Airplane Mechanics, Pilots, Construction Management Professionals, Motion Picture Camera Operators, Cinematographers, Heavy Machinery Operators, Exotic Entertainers, and Longshoremen all can make $80,000+ reliably if they apply themselves, requiring far less and less costly education than a liberal arts degree, and that list took only a few seconds to compile, based on the company I keep LOL.

Instead of voting NDP, I would settle for you punching yourself in the nuts. Easier on you, more satisfying for me :)
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former activist
The BC Liberals have sold the farm, cows, hay and tractor. They killed over 74 mills in rural small town BC thus gutting the local economies in each of these former mill towns, set up the super barrier of Health Authorities to protect themselves from the angry electorate as they eliminated health care across the province and then took the majority of the tax burden from the wealthy and corporate side and put it on the backs of the middle class, seniors and the poor. They've closed many many schools, hospitals and destroyed a lot of the provincial revenue sources only to choke off all citizen expectation of service. Those services that our grand parents and parents fought and worked for. Now sold off to their rich friends. And we now have the largest debt ever experienced in this province. ASK THEM HOW THEY PLAN TO PAY FOR EVERYTHING.
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Chet
Don't let Dana speak
oh right he's stoned
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Steve Y
Rick - Pilots have way more costly schooling than teachers unless they join the air force. Also you have to be the best and the brightest, not barely graduated from a philosophy degree. Exotic dancers have a career lifespan of about 5 years, no pension that I'm aware of. Construction Management professionals starting out today have to have a P.Eng, some in the past have worked their way up but it is rare as hell, they also don't have pensions, they also have less than 0 job security, and you know, have to work for it, like, all year long. It's not a part time job like teaching. Cinematographer! Ha! Why not director! I can see it now at the teacher's union hall, well, if I wasn't a teacher I'd be Steven Spielburg! The mechanical trades certainly pay well but again, no job security, not very many of them, and is a way, way tougher job than teaching. Most cannot comfortably work until 65 without a high degree of pain or having to work their way up to management. Also, they require highly specialized training, not a useless BA. So, basically you completely failed and could not name one job. Why don't you punch yourself in the nuts if you can find them.
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skippy
Nice to see coverage of the NDP leadership race. Equally interesting to see the view[points on education. From the NDP, we get no new policies. Zero. In K-12 we get ideas on how to spend more money on teachers salaries, and on building new schools to cope with the rapid popoulation growth in Surrey. How about a more effctive way to deal with the half empty schools in the Vancoiuver school district and the purile puffer fish Patti Bachus who refuses to make the hard decisions she was elected to make and balance that with the growth in Surrey. The real question is why should tax payer dollars be squandrered in the Vancouver school district because of the irresponsible school trustee while students in Surrey suffer. The real issue is the allocation of dollars and budget decsions between school districts. In regards to teachers pay, according to the last annual report of the techers pension plan, the avregae salary for retiring taechers was 72,000 per year and teh average pension was 45k per year. The net present value of thsoe pensiosn per teacher is $750K. Subsidized helath and dental benfit. And they had a 8% compounded increase while most private sector empoyees got 0 if they were fortunate enough not to get laid off.
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Steve Y
It's also funny that when teachers want more money then better teachers create better students and we can only get better teachers by paying them tonnes of money, but when we want to figure out which teachers are good (FSA tests), well then the only thing that matters is where the kids live and who their parents are. No such thing as good or bad teachers, just good or bad parents.
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Dawn Steele
Steve Y asks: Where does the $250,000 per classroom get spent in BC?

Actually, Steve, I spent a couple days wading through BC Education Ministry stats last summer to answer that very question. You can find the answer here:

http://stopeducationcuts.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/cost-average-bc-cla...

And it was actually an average of $207,352 per classroom, based on funding, enrolment and average class size in BC at that time.

I would encourage you to browse through the pages tracking education news by district and by issue on the BC Education Coalition website to learn more about the issues and challenges.

Better information = Better solutions.
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Dawn Steele
...sorry, I should have added that averages in a province like BC actually disguise what is actually a tale of two quite distinct cost profiles for rural and urban/suburban schools.

Average costs for northern and rural schools in BC are far higher (as they are in the NWT, Nunavut and the Yukon) because smaller, geographically dispersed populations make for reverse economies of scale, plus there are significant additional costs relating to the harsh northern climate and other such factors.

Pretty much any way you look at it, BC's spending (on public education, on a per student basis, on teacher pay, or on a per capita population basis) lags the Canadian average. In most areas, BC spending increases in the past decade have significantly lagged those for most other provinces.

StatsCanada produces an annual report that compares data for the provinces and the Canadian average for a series of K-12 Education indicators that is very useful for putting BC's situation in perspective. You can read the most recent report here (the data is always a couple years out of date): http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/81-595-m/81-595-m2010088-eng.pdf
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Steve Y
Dawn, thanks for that great information. Good stuff.Tonnes of waste and overspending. Now we just need some school administrators and politicians to wield an axe to that and we can finally get some value for our spending.
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GOT
@Steve Y...your comments obviously reflect the quality of education you received - and which you also obviously think was good enough. It wasn't, but you and people who think like you do reflect the philosophy that conservative governments everywhere apply to education (and that includes the Liberals in Victoria): a stupid population is easily manageable. Whatever you do, don't teach the kids to think, or we're all fucked.
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