Farzana Hassan lecture at UBC generates backlash from B.C. Muslim Association representative

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A tense exchange erupted last night at UBC's Chan Centre for the Performing Arts between two Muslim women over the hijab and niqab.

Writer and women's-rights activist Farzana Hassan had just delivered the annual UBC Laurier Institution multiculturalism lecture. Hassan, former president of the Muslim Canadian Congress, wants Parliament to pass a law denying public services to women in burqas, which are full-length gowns that conceal everything.

She stated in her lecture that this infringement on individual choice can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society. Hassan, who lives in Ontario, also maintained that there is no language in the Koran that requires Muslim women to cover themselves head to toe. Rather, she argued that the Islamic holy book calls for "modest" attire, which has been interpreted in an extreme way by members of the Wahabi sect.

During the question-and-answer period, the education director of the B.C. Muslim Association's board of women's affairs objected strenuously to what she had heard.

Najma Mohammed told Hassan that she was "very insulted" by her remarks. Hassan used the word burqa interchangeably in her lecture with niqab, which is a veil that a small number of Canadian Muslim women use to conceal their faces. Hassan also spoke disparagingly about Muslim women being forced to wear a hijab, which covers the head but which doesn't obscure a person's face.

"I am a Muslim woman standing right here in front of you," Mohammed said. "I am wearing my hijab. Nobody is telling me—nobody is oppressing me—to wear this hijab.....I know that you are talking about burqa but you also touched on hijab when you said even that is objectionable to you. Why is it all your opinions, I would like to ask."

Then Mohammed went on to accuse Hassan of "inciting differences" so that she can make money selling books, DVDs, videos, and CDs.

"I am standing right here right now and nobody has told me—not my father, not my husband, or any of my religious leaders—'Here, go ahead and wear a hijab to hide.' Nobody has told me that," Mohammed declared.

Next, Mohammed accused Hassan of not having done her homework about Islam. "So I challenge you to sit with me and discuss this once again,” she added.

At that point, Hassan asked, "Do you have a question?"

To that, Mohammed replied: "I’m not giving you a question. It’s a statement. I don’t think you are worth a question."

Next, Hassan asked Mohammed if she had heard of Aqsa Parvez. Parvez was a 16-year-old Muslim teen who was strangled to death by her father and brother in Mississauga in 2007 after she refused to wear a hijab and chose to don western clothes.

Mohammed sidestepped the question about Parvez and told Hassan that she was merely citing her opinions. "I represent all the Muslim community here," Mohammed claimed.

Hassan responded by saying that any debate on burqas shouldn't be based solely on her opinion. "I’ve said that time and again, we need a debate on this," she added. "We need a public debate on this."

Mohammed replied by accusing Hassan of "doing things against women, against Muslim women". In addition, Mohammed criticized Hassan for choosing a "secular place" to convey her message rather than discussing this within the Muslim community.

The lecture will be broadcast on CBC Radio's Ideas show, likely on June 24. The moderator, CBC Radio host Paul Kennedy, interjected and decided to give Hassan the final word.

That's when Hassan bluntly stated that she will not retract anything she said.

"I very strongly believe there are women who are being forced into wearing the niqab and hijab," she said, to loud applause from some in the crowd. "I know four-year-olds who are being coerced into wearing the hijab because, you know, the philosophy is they need to get into the habit of wearing it so that when they attain puberty—when this becomes mandatory according to them—they will not object to it. So four-year-olds are being made to wear the hijab to school, outside of school, and I’m not lying about this. I’m not exaggerating about this."

Hassan closed her discussion by telling the audience about the murder of Parvez, who died in Mississauga "because she refused to wear the hijab and she wanted to integrate more into Canadian society".

"Her father and brother, in a case of domestic violence, they murdered her. And this 16-year-old lost her life because of it," Hassan said. "So I am not going to go back on what I said. These women are being forced, and no matter what you say, that’s the simple truth about it."

Related article: Activist Farzana Hassan wants a law to ban burqas in public in Canada

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Birdy
'Hassan closed her discussion by telling the audience about the murder of Parvez, who died in Mississauga "because she refused to wear the hijab and she wanted to integrate more into Canadian society".'

Maybe we could prioritize enforcement of the ban on murder?
Then later we can put all our effort into criminalizing scary foreign-looking hats.
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bobo
Funny how Farzana Hassan can be verbally assaulted, yet no one stands up for her rights. I think she is 100% correct. Islam treats women like property. Read "Infidel" by Ayaan Hirsi Ali to get the real facts!!
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OldGeek
There seem to be two motives for doing anything: fun or fear. And it's easy to confuse the two, either deliberately or ignorantly.

This matter seems to be one of fear.
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VanZorge
burning bras to burning burkas.................. it is about time that muslim women stand up to the male dominated societies that they live in!!
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Preeti
Documentary - "Muslim Women: The Bill & Us" reveals about Muslim religious and political leaders across party lines, nearly all men, are deeply divided over women's rights. That's why there is huge opposition to the women's reservation bill. But poor women from the community, especially those from Dalit and backward castes, want the opposite. To do something more with their lives than their mothers were able to or allowed to do.

To watch please visit - http://www.cultureunplugged.com/play/4074
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Check your facts
@bobo if you read Hirsi Ali's "Infidel" be sure to check out her political allegiances to the American Enterprise Institute, think tank for the Bush Administration. She paints all muslims with the same brush - extremist, misogynists. A lot of her facts about Female Genital Mutilation are just plain wrong. As a self loathing muslim/secular defector she is the perfect poster-girl for conservative wing nuts intent on portraying the muslim world as barbarous and good for nothing but colonization. Read anything BUT Hirsi Ali for the facts.

@VanZorge - most women in France, where wearing the Burqa has been banned, are actually WESTERN converts to Islam who wear the Burqa voluntarily as a symbol against the oppressive sexualization of women in western media. We have to look beyond the rhetoric that uses single party issues like Women's rights as a guise for Islamophobia. Check out this debate on CNN if you want another similar debate...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWJRam64dQY&feature=player_embedded
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Yoda (Read it in my voice!)
Birdy: "Maybe we could prioritize enforcement of the ban on murder?"

How do you "enforce" a "ban" on murder after it's happened? We have every capability to discourage one particular circumstance for murder.

Hassan is a wise woman. I'm glad the left is finally siding with reason... instead of the knee-jerk alignment WITH religious bigots, as is still common on related issues..
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beelzebub
Just on the face of it, wearing such apparel is no different than the chastity belt. A bunch of grown men and women subscribing to anything that tries to ensure women don't screw around or that men see yours as an object is so pathetic. Its all about controlling women, its all about sex and its all about male control, not religion, that's just the excuse. Those oppressed women that support such nonsense are nothing more than Stockholm syndrome sufferers.
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Dr Truth
Porn is the western cultural opposite to the burka
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Fan'o Truth
... wants Parliament to pass a law denying public services to women in burqas, which are full-length gowns that conceal everything.



Is this a serious proposal? It's lunatic fringe stuff.
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Erica Payne
Why is it okay to argue about what cloths a woman wears on her head? This is so annoying. I understand the controversy about the burqa because it does seem to pose security issues but a hijab? C'mon! I'm white and I'd wear a hijab. Talking about outlawing the hijab is no less extreme than the burqa itself.
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Nestor
@"Fact" Checker

"most women in France, where wearing the Burqa has been banned, are actually WESTERN converts to Islam who wear the Burqa voluntarily as a symbol against the oppressive sexualization of women in western media."

If you are on the issue of France and reading up on things already, why not pick up a copy of Michel Foucault's "Discipline and Punish"? It might help you understand that oppressive practices have a way of turning into internalized ideologies over time. That is to say that no longer being legally or physically forced to adhere to a specific set of strict rules does not, in turn, necessarily mean that you are doing it out of your own free will. A dogma can remain just as repressive if there is no immediate external authority enforcing it and the call for "modesty" found in the Qur'an and Sharia law, which some women may 'voluntarily' inflict upon themselves, would lose nothing of its inherent misogyny even if there were no men overseeing it.

But, of course, you know full well that for a considerable number of women in Muslim countries and/or communities, the latter is not true. It is easy to gloss over Hassan's examples and dismiss Ayaan Hirsi Ali as a puppet of Western Islamophobia. But both of these women know from first-hand experience that the violent enforcement of these oh-so-harmless cultural guidelines is alive and well both in predominantly Muslim countries as well as in the Muslim diaspora. Women still do get punished and killed for not complying sufficiently with these rules. That is not an opinion, that is a fact. Even if these were only rare, isolated incidents, it would be enough to merit a critical discussion. But the unfortunate fact is that they are anything but. Therefore, if such a discussion offends Ms. Mohammed's religious feelings and leaves the chimera of her self-determined self-repression shaken, all I can say is: too bad.
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George Mosley
While I'd probably find much in common with Ms Hassan in a one-on-one, I have to challenge the legislative approach as being dangerously short sighted. Clothing laws make as much sense as language laws (are you listening, Quebec?) and have no place in a free society. By all means allow for the requirement of facial visibility when appropriate (driver's license, airport security, etc.) and occupational dress codes if needed (law courts, public school teachers, etc.) but let's stay away from an unecessary slippery slope. I mean, what's next? Hoodies? Yarmulkas??
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OMG
Hey *Check your facts* did you check Hirsi's association with Theo Van Gogh? She rebelled against islamists and has to live under a death threat and you label her a defector? Nice. When your daughter has her clitoris cut out, are you going to hold her down?
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bobo
@check your facts. I know all about Ayaan Hirsi Ali's association with the American Enterprise Institute. While I think the AEI is a bunch of bull, that is her right. A right she herself CHOSE to exercise after a lifetime of being treated like a piece of camel dung by the Islamic religion. Unlike the female circumcision SHE HAD ON CHOICE about. What did you think, that she would support right wing Islamic fundamentalist after the way she was treated??? Really dude, get a clue. You obviously haven't read her book. And let's not forget that her friend Theo Van Gogh - by all accounts a peaceful man who worked to overcome oppression for all - died with a knife in his heart because he made a short film about Islam. The radical fundamentalist Islamic oppressors will only be overcome when the women of Islam have a say in their future. But then, that's the whole point of what I said to begin with. It's all about control by the Imans. Like Chatholicism is all about control by the Pope. For the sake of the moderate supporters of Islam, and the world as a whole, I hope that day will come soon.
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Charles Martel
One more nail in the coffin of multi-CULT-uralism:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1377780/London-Taliban-targeting...

You can have these discussions until you are blue in the face, but as long as we keep importing more Muslims into our lands, they will always try to impose Sharia law when a critical mass of them is reached. End of discussion people.

The article however is not without its own amusements. Like this:

“Stickers have been plastered on public walls stating: ”˜Gay free zone. Verily Allah is severe in punishment’. “

Got to love it when liberal “tolerance” meets liberal immigration policy! Any bets as to which will prevail?

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Nestor
"as long as we keep importing more Muslims into our lands, they will always try to impose Sharia law when a critical mass of them is reached. End of discussion people."

And that, children, is how you go from a critical discussion to racist paranoia in under 24 hours.
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Charles Martel
"And that, children, is how you go from a critical discussion to racist paranoia in under 24 hours."

A critical discussion about re-arraigning the deck chairs on the Titanic. Nice to see you have your priorities straight.
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Farid
The wearing of Hijab or Niqb is no different than wearing a hoodie and baseball cap or wearing a big pair of sunglasses or a tatoo that covers our face. It would be against our fundamental principles of a democratic society to look at it any other way. The problem is also not the Hijab,Niqab, turban or the veil, it is those that use our principles of freedom to practice what is their right of free expression, but don't apply the same principles in their own circles to give their members a choice; If you don't cover your face, wear skirts that are short, put makeup on or have a boyfriend, you can be beaten, imprisoned or in certain cases killed. So the Charter of Rights is only good if they can use it to practice their faith, but not good for their circle to use the same rights of free expression. I don't think Ms. Mohammad would not apply the same rights to her family if they decide to not wear the Hijab. All Farzana said was ask for a debate!!!
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JamesLiu
Burqa/Niqab/Hijab should be banned in Canada because they are representatives of male domination over women. The Muslim premise is that a woman is to be covered as much as possible so she does not constitute sexual allure to the Muslim males. It IS not only outdated, sexist and degrading to Muslim women but to ALL Canadian women. Why so many Muslim women profess that they are willing and eager to wear such dressings? Simple, as Hassan said, they were conditioned, taught and brain washed into holding on to this idea when they were young girls by the Muslim adults. And surely they will do the same to their children. Many are also forced, intimidated to wear them in silence. Perez case in point! I urge sweeping government legislature to weed out such blatant symbols of gender discrimination. They have absolutely NO PLACE in Canadian Society!
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