Gwynne Dyer: Pope Benedict XVI takes on the atheists

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The best defence is a good offense. A less worldly pope, making a state visit to Britain as the revelations about Catholic priests and bishops abusing the children in their care spread across Europe, might have been reduced to shame and silence. But Benedict XVI knows about the uses of power—he was the late Pope John Paul II’s chief enforcer—and he immediately launched an attack on all the people he sees as the church’s enemies.

Speaking in Scotland last week, he condemned “aggressive forms of secularism” and the threat of “atheist extremism”. Never mind the hundreds or thousands of priests who raped little boys (and occasionally little girls). The real threat is the people who don’t believe in God, and therefore have no morals. He even equated atheists with Nazis.

That was rich coming from a man whose predecessor, Pope Pius XII, personally negotiated a treaty with the Nazis in 1933 that was advantageous for German Catholics, and did not publicly condemn Hitler’s extermination of the Jews although he was well informed about it. But Benedict’s tactics worked very well, because all that the media could talk about after his Scottish speech was whether non-believers can be trusted to behave morally.

“As we reflect on the sobering lessons of atheist extremism of the 20th century”, said the itinerant pope, “let us never forget how the exclusion of God, religion and virtue from public life leads ultimately to a truncated vision of man and of society and thus a reductive vision of a person and his destiny.” God, religion and virtue on one side; Nazis and Communists and a selfish, hedonistic wasteland of sex and secularism on the other.

Set the terms of the argument and you are already halfway to winning it. That is Benedict’s game, and it is played by many other leaders of every religion. Only the fear of God makes people behave morally. Without that fear of divine punishment, they would act out every evil fantasy that popped into their minds. So stick with us.

It’s an easy allegation to make, and almost impossible to test—or so those who make it believe. But actually, it has been tested, at least for the Christian parts of the world, and guess what? Religion does not make people behave better. It makes them behave worse.

We’re not talking about suicide bombers and other religious extremists here. We’re talking about ordinary people committing ordinary acts of violence, everyday thefts, and run-of-the-mill sex crimes. The more religious a particular society or region is, the more of that sort of stuff happens.

As researcher Gregory Paul puts it: “In general, higher rates of belief in and worship of a creator correlate with higher rates of homicide, juvenile and early adult mortality, venereal disease, teen pregnancy, and abortion.” Whereas according to Pope Benedict’s argument, the United States, one of the world’s most religious countries, should be a crime-free paradise, while secular Sweden should be a vortex of crime and violence.

Direct observation suggests otherwise. So do Paul’s two articles, “Cross-National Correlations of Quantifiable Societal Health with Popular Religiosity and Secularism in the Prosperous Democracies: A First Look,” published in the Journal of Religion & Society in 2005, and “The Chronic Dependence of Popular Religiosity upon Dysfunctional Psychosociological Conditions,” published in Evolutionary Psychology Journal in 2009.

Even within the United States, Paul reported, “the strongly theistic, anti-evolution South and Midwest” have “markedly worse homicide, mortality, sexually transmitted disease, youth pregnancy, marital and related problems than the North-East, where societal conditions, secularization and acceptance of evolution approach European norms.”

There’s a chicken-and-egg question here, because what Paul’s research actually shows is that people are more religious in societies where socio-economic conditions are poor. There is more crime and anti-social behaviour in such societies, but are people behaving badly because they are religious, or just because they are poor, ill-educated, and desperate?

The real statistical correlation is between religiosity, poverty and ignorance. Hundreds of millions of religious people are neither poor nor ignorant, but the bottom of the pecking order is where religion has its strongest grip in any society. Raise that bottom level, as countries with good social welfare systems do, and religious belief will gradually decline.

Besides, it’s not really secularism per se that horrifies Pope Benedict and his minions. Cardinal Kasper, his top official for relations with the Church of England, gave the game away in an interview last week with the German magazine Focus, condemning England as “a secular, pluralistic country. When you land at Heathrow, you sometimes think you might have landed in a Third World country.”

Kasper was promptly removed from the list of high church officials travelling with the pope, but the Vatican spokesman, Monsignor Oliver Lahl, defended his remarks: “All he was saying is that when you arrive in Britain today it is like arriving in Islamabad, Mumbai and Kinshasa all at the same time.”

It’s the diversity, tolerance, and necessary secularism of modern multicultural societies that religious leaders of every stripe really can’t stand. Such societies have to be secular to accommodate all the different strands of belief and disbelief that must live alongside one another in peace, whereas the pope and his friends still long for the humble, homogeneous peasant societies where everybody believed, and believed the same thing.

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Doc Meadows
The great problem with tolerance and so called plurality is not that it is not Catholic or religious, though it is often pursued with religious fervor. The main problem with tolerance is that it holds is self as better than exclusive systems, while practicing the same discrimination and deprecations that it accuses the religious systems of. It differs not in that it does not exclude, but in which views it favors and excludes. Tolerance and modern secularism fail not faith but its own ideals. The faithful believer can and does fall afoul of his convictions, and he can be sincerely but definitely wrong. The minute a tolerant person takes the believer to task for intolerance, he become a violator of tolerance. Secular societies are secular in the sense that they do not accommodate all views, particularly in the public square.. It has been said "To thine own self be true". But how shall the advocates of tolerance do so?
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Bruno15
Thanks Gwynne for throwing in a few facts to give perspective to the Pope's new marketing campaign. As with FOX News, facts (and long memories) are the Vatican's kryptonite.
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Nice Try
But trying to convince reasonably intelligent people that the more tolerant you are, the less tolerant you are (and vice versa) is kind of a long shot.

'Tolerant people' (apparently the villains here) trying to convince people to live and let live with the inevitable diversity of human kind has a much more universal appeal, and practical value.
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Brian Schmidt
What an utter load of crap and nonsense. !!! The more religious the society, the more evil ?? What emperical evidence do you have to support this ? What studies have been done ? I shudder to think that such sloppy, self-serving " journalism" might possibly be believed by somebody out there. Shut you stupid mouth you hairy legged, birkenstock wearing, granola eating hippy-witch - ( I am sure you are terribly fat too )
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Grimgrin
Brian, while I do not have the time or energy to point out and correct every major error in your post I feel that three main ones should be clarified.

1) Gwynne Dyer is a 67 year old man who lives in London. He has a military background.

2) He named the studies and the researcher who carried them out in the body of the article.

3) His column is is published in over 175 papers in at least 45 countries, so yeah, he is taken seriously.

You can now return to your frothing ignorance and incomprehension.
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doconnor
"The more religious the society, the more evil?? What emperical evidence do you have to support this?"

Did you even read the article? Unlike 99.9% of all opinion columns, he actually cites two scientific papers to support his argument.

The free online book The Authoritarians presents an explanation backed by scientific data. The author found that deeply religious people who asked God for forgiveness felt a lot better about their transgressions then non-religious people who did the right thing and owned up to their transgression to the victim.
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beelzebub
All you have to do is look at all the poor, ignorant, backward, countries that are heavily into religion of some kind and you will see the obvious. Ireland notwithstanding.
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Colin M
Wow, did Brian ever just prove this article's thesis perfectly! Good work!
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Bruce
I think I detect a tongue in cheek level of exaggeration in Brian's comments. To me, they don't read quite like what a devout church-goer would say.
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pape deus
I think Doc Meadows and Brian nicely showcase two of the main ways theists approach debate on religion: Doc tries to pass sophistry for rational argumentation basically asserting that secular tolerance is not really tolerant because it doesn't tolerate intolerance. Brian on the other hand delights with a brilliant demonstration of spirited, vibrant free-flowing stupidity (while possibly praying for his adversaries' souls).
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FreeThinker1
Can anyone see all the Pope is trying to do is bring back the Burning Times? Do you not think that if the Catholic Church held the same power today that it did during the Inquisition and the European Witch Trials, that they would not burn every single man and women who opposed it or spoke out against it? Herd conformity is bad enough but religious herd conformity is worse! Just think of all the victims that have suffered in the name of religion, not just in history but TODAY as well! Then tell me if we should have a society controlled by religion or secularism!
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Neil B
Yup, let's all give Brian a pat on the back for proving beyond a shadow of doubt, that intolerance is alive and well. Along with, failure to actually confront contrary ideas straight up... by not reading, not thinking throught and, immediately putting his personal brand of intolerance in place.
Good Job Brian!!!!
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Mike K.
Gwynne, you sure seem to have a bone to pick here. Talk about setting the terms of the argument. There is no denying the fact that 'hundreds or thousands' of priests rape little boys (or girls), but then millions of children are abused, no doubt some of them by atheists. And since when is citing two relatively obscure articles proof positive of any assertion, let alone one that equates religion with increased violence? Surely you could find dozens of scholarly articles to prove the opposite. Common sense tells me the ten commandments are a recipe for a peaceful and just society, not an invitation to extreme lawlessness.
I, too, am disgusted by hypocrisy, especially when evident in an institution which professes adherence to higher ideals. Yet it is this same profession which makes it such a transparent target. The Pope and his 'minions' clearly have stated their position. Have you? This article feels more like a personal attack than any of your other fine articles. Methinks you protest too much.
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HellSlayerAndy
Chicken or egg?
In countries where the Vatican (or religions in general) still hold power, wealth and influence, tend to be poor and ignorant, and in countries where they have less power, wealth and influence, tend to be wealthy and educated, then they don't need a marketing guru to figure out that if they push doctrines that promote ignorance and poverty, they will continue to have power, wealth and influence.
It's not an 'OR' situation.
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Father Clifford Stevens
I don't know where Gwynne Dyer is coming from. His dependence on the research of Paul Gregory is like building your house on sand. Gregory's bias is clear in the very titles of his articles and his research is flawed and sociologically invalid, because he has not consulted all the documents, in particular the documents and records of religious organizations covering the same areas of research he is covering. I challenge him to look into the records of the St. VIncent de Paul Society in the New York CIty of a hundred years ago, well documented in "A Century of Charity: By the Society of St. Vincent de Paul in the United Staes", Bruce Publishing Co., Milwaukee, 1951; or "The Catholic Philanthropic Tradition in America" by Mary J. Oates, Indiana Universit Press, 1995. Gregory and Dyer seem totally unfamiliar with the major figure in works of social betterment and social reform in the early part of the 20th century, Thomas Maurice Mulry, who put Irish immigrants on their feet socially and financiallly from his headquarters at the Emigrants Industrial Saving Bank in the heart of New York City. He was also the powerhouse in organizing the civil and religious organizations in New York to work together on the critical social problems of New York City after the influx of immigrants to that city over one hundred years ago, and his influence was felt throughout the United States. He was also a cousin of Father Flanagan of Boys Town whose work in Omaha before and after the founding of Boys Town, a strong member of the Progressive Movemen that included Jane Addams in Chicago, Judge Ben Lindsey in Denver, and countless others, religious and secular. Both articles of Paul Gregory that Gwynne Dyer bases his articles, stating that where religion flourishes, cirme, poverty and social decline follows, is not only statistically untrue, but are bold-faced lies. Paul Gregory is convinced that human beings are just refined animals, with no free will and he bases his research on conviction and that principle. His chosen area of research is dinosaurs, and in this field he is stunning and breathtakine. But his anthropology colors all of his research is not taken seriously by anyone else in the field except diehard materialists like himself. What is behind both of these scholars is an inborn, highly developed and articulate hatred of religion, the Catholic religion in particular, and they are blind to anything, any facts,
any research, any data that contradicts their zeitgeist.

Father Clifford Stevens
Boys Town, Nebraska
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Thorby
Mike....huh? The Ten Commandments as a recipe for a peaceful and just society? In the 3000 years since the commandments were formulated, show me a Jewish or Christian society that actually followed them. They are a bunch of vague rules that don't mean anything.

Now the U.S. Constitution on the other hand.....
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Steve M.
You can't be serious. Get back to us when modern-day atheists start bringing down skyscrapers in the name of their not-god.

And if religion supposedly makes someone so morally 'sound', then priests abusing children should be an extremely rare occurrence. So why is it just as prevalent (or moreso) than across the rest of the population spectrum? The reason is: a priest believes he will be forgiven for his transgressions by his magical sky fairy. An atheist does not.

You really should read The Authoritarians. But you won't.
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Steve M.
Darn. That last comment of mine was supposed to be in response to Mike K., in case you were wondering.
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Ambidexter
Doc Meadows,

It isn't the secularists and atheists who tell people "believe as I do or spend the rest of eternity in Hell." It isn't the secularists and atheists who want a 2,500 year old creation myth taught in schools in place of science. It isn't secularists and atheists who would deny marriage to two people who love each other because they're the same gender.
I think you need to reconsider what tolerance is all about.
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Cameron
Mike K:

1. Yes, atheists rape children, but there are two factors that make the crimes of Catholic priests stand out: first, when a non-Catholic rapes a child, they face the full weight of the law rather than being 'punished' by getting shipped off to a new, clean flock with a whole new crop of potential rape victims. Second, atheists don't pretend to have a divinely-revealed and absolute morality by which they live.

2. If there are dozens of scholarly articles proving that more religious societies are more moral, then provide some. Otherwise you are just blowing smoke.

3. The 10 commandments would be a laughably horrible foundation on which to build a society. And where are the prohibitions on slavery, genocide, destruction of the environment, and the rape of children? Half of the ten commandments are prohibitions on worshiping other gods.
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