Mounties seek a liquor licence in new "E" Division headquarters in Surrey

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Do you support the RCMP's application to obtain a liquor licence for its new headquarters in Surrey?

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You wouldn't want gambling addicts working in a building on top of a casino.

So why would the RCMP expose any of its alcohol-addicted officers to a drinking establishment at its new headquarters in Surrey?

On Monday (June 25), the Mounties are expected to seek Surrey council's approval for a liquor licence for an officers-only bar.

The Mounties have had a few high-profile cases recently of officers getting into trouble in connection with drinking—most notably Monty Robinson for killing motorcyclist Orion Hutchinson with his vehicle and then claiming he drank vodka after he returned home, and Don Ray for drinking on the job and exposing himself to coworkers.

But it's not easy to determine the overall rate of alcoholism among cops.

An article on the website of the Milestone Group LLC, a New Jersey–based professional counselling company, says some studies estimate that one-quarter of all U.S. police officers abuse alcohol.

"Research has revealed a strong connection between occupational stress and alcohol and drug abuse, but also a strong sub-cultural more among police officers that encourages drinking both for social and stress-reduction purposes," the Milestone Group reports. "Alcohol consumption among police officers is also correlated with officer suicides and domestic violence, and many departments are beginning to recognize the liability in allowing this problem to go untreated."

The article, which cites numerous published studies, likens police to soldiers in combat, who experience job-related stress in a delayed manner similar to post-traumatic stress disorder. Both occupations can involve long periods of calm and boredom suddenly punctured by intense bursts. This has given rise to the term "police stress activity".

"Modern police culture remains insular and tight-knit, and the extent to which drinking has become ingrained in it varies from station to station, department to department," the Milestone Group added. "Yet empirically, police officers face heavy pressure to drink, to where non-drinking officers are often viewed as suspicious or anti-social by their colleagues."

Meanwhile in France, last year riot police threatened job action when their supervisors told them that they weren't permitted to drink on the job.

In a recent CKNW Radio interview, RCMP Cpl. Bernie Conroy defended the decision to serve alcohol in the new building in Surrey.

"It's a multi-purpose facility," Conroy told interviewer Bill Good. "It's something like a community hall."

According to the CKNW report, the maximum capacity will be nearly 1,200. The licence application would allow it to remain open from 11 a.m. to midnight Sundays through Thursdays, and 11 a.m. to 2 a.m. Fridays and Saturdays.

(The mess hall at E Division in Vancouver is only open Wednesdays through Friday, according to Conroy.)

In a curious twist, the Mounties' decision to seek a liquor licence for the new headquarters comes shortly after the establishment of a new B.C.-based anti-alcohol organization.

Miles Craig, whose family owned Craig Broadcasting, launched the Victoria-based Canada's Temperance Foundation this month. It promotes abstinence or restraint in the use of alcohol and/or drugs.


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Ian G62
This is a silly and irrelevant issue - cops should be allowed to drink in their off duty hours and get drunk if they want to. As long as they head home with a designated driver or in a cab, what is it to us that they are out and about on the streets?

Furthermore, if the cops with alcohol addictions are in that bar, where better to seek help than from others than the people who work with them ?
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Morley Bolero
That's not going to end well.
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Right
Who's going to arrest poorly behaved officers? Will there be a limit on how much they can drink? Will they be allowed to drink in uniform, with their guns? Will they be forced to leave their car keys if they've been drinking? Do they have a strict ride home policy in place? If there are drunk driving complaints about the facility, who will set up spot checks measuring field sobriety? And why can't they drink in public? Why do they need a private drinking facility?
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Ian G62
then let me put it another way - a new 1200 seat venue in Surrey would be great for local musicians and entertainers - let's support the arts :-)

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Gentleman Jack
This could be quite the experiment, if officers were required to swipe some sort of card so that data could be anonymously collected about how much individual officers drink. Not by name, perhaps by rank.

We could determine the total volume of absolute alcohol required to run a Police Station. This question has long gone unanswered.
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Do it
Anything that helps keep them away from harming the general public is good by me...
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Is this news
With thousands of licensed establishments in the lower mainland, how is this news?
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Mark Fornataro
This officers-only bar proposal is an example of lowering the bar for police standards; is it little wonder this issue was not raised during their recent contract talks?
Over 20 years ago when I was living in the Commercial Drive area I had a detective come by with a bunch of photos in an attempt for him to have me identify someone involved in a shooting. Based on the photos I could not recognize anyone as I had only a very brief look at the shooter. And I thought 'I bet this detective faces this result often.' And I thought that frustration must be quite depressing and probably explained in part the fact that he was loaded with alcohol. I could smell it as soon as he arrived-by car- but I didn't report it, having dealt with the internal complaints process years earlier and having no faith in it.
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John Ball
And yet the government of BC sees fit to ensure that ADULTS who happen to like video games can't get a liquor license. Weird. Unjust. Stupid.
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DavidH
If this is supposed to be a "community hall" for special events, then a permanent liquor license is not required. Do what other community halls do - have the renter apply for a special occasion permit.

If this is a private drinking club for members, then there is no need for it. There are plenty of pubs within a few blocks of the new HQ, and they'd be happy for the business. Some of them might even be willing to set aside a special area for the gendarmes.

If the new commissioner is serious about "changing the culture" of the RCMP, he should think about what a private club inside an Old Boys Club says about the force.

It's ridiculous. Surrey Council should turn it down immediately.

(PS - I understand that individual members will pay fees to cover the costs of this facility. Will that also cover the construction costs of a facility that can accommodate 1,200 people? If not, who paid for THAT ... I wonder. And why, exactly, did we need another banquet hall in Surrey??)
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miguel
How many police spend all day at a desk? Is that so stressful?
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Ara Hepburn
How many of these officers drinking there will be off on 'paid leave' while their, ahem, indiscretions, are sorted out? Especially the ones already under investigation for (alleged,ahem) DUI offenses?
We think a weight room etc, someplace to work off stress would be better than abetting drunk driving and alcoholism.
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james green
They had Love Boat during the Olympics along with the Canadian Forces during the Olympics so why not a bar.
To be serious, this force with its many problems with its image and public trust needs to set a new standard of professionalism and a bar will not help them. Forget the bar and tend to serving and protecting your female members and society and forget the booze on the new site.
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miguel
A good place to sit over a beer with your mates and get your story straight. It will get used a lot.
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