New West residents reject TransLink plan for Pattullo Bridge, survey shows

Comments

Most respondents to a City of New Westminster survey do not favour TransLink’s proposal to demolish the aging Pattullo Bridge and build a larger, six-lane replacement.

The City of New Westminster launched its own public consultation on the future of the bridge earlier this year amid concerns TransLink was not considering enough options. Many residents have also expressed worry about the potential for increased vehicle traffic through the city with a new bridge.

As part of the consultation, the city held two open houses in May and received 210 responses to a community questionnaire.

According to a city staff report, more than 80 percent of the survey respondents think the city should not support TransLink’s proposal while 11 percent disagree. Six percent had no response.

The survey also shows respondents are divided on which city-proposed option for the bridge to support. The most support, at around 25 percent, came for demolishing and not replacing the bridge.

Meanwhile, there was between roughly 15 to 19 percent support for each of the other options: rehabilitating the old bridge, building only a four-lane replacement, or demolishing the old bridge and building a new crossing at other proposed locations.

Most respondents also expressed support for adding tolls on the Pattullo Bridge to discourage drivers seeking to avoid paying to cross the Port Mann Bridge.

Built in 1937, the Pattullo Bridge is a four-lane crossing over the Fraser River that links Surrey and New Westminster. It is owned and operated by TransLink.

New Westminster city council is set to consider the survey results at a meeting on June 18.

Comments (18) Add New Comment
jonny .
New West likes to think they are a quiet small town, but the fact is they are smack dab in the middle of Metro Vancouver, and they should just shut up and deal with it. They keep doing things to try to keep everyone away, but that is not possible, it just creates more traffic problems. The bridge is needed, and they have to just deal with it. If they dont like it, then dont move to the armpit of Metro Vancouver.
9
4
Rating: +5
DavidH
Sounds fine to me. The next step is to ban all New West residents from travelling south of the Fraser (for work, shopping or recreation), and to ban them from using roads leading to Vancouver, Burnaby or Coquitlam.

What the twits in New Westminster don't seem to understand is that they live in an isolated backwater of the metro area. I'm more than happy to confine them to that backwater, where there are virtually no jobs, and the most exciting shopping experience is Army&Navy.

Have a nice life, folks.
3
3
Rating: 0
KiDDAA Magazine
The Patullo bridge is a dangerous bridge. How many people have to die from head on collissions before they changes this aging monster. Apparently the Whiteness doesnt care about India or Surrey?
4
6
Rating: -2
DHC
In what way is New West benefitted by through traffic clogging up their streets. They do not represent income for the city's businesses. A new bridge just means more traffic. Why should Translink keep financing drivers instead of promoting public transit. In this case, put up a toll booth and use the income to fix the poor old bridge and improve access to New West so business will grow and possibly increase jobs.
3
5
Rating: -2
Pat Johnstone
So which is it, are we smack dab in the middle, or an isolated backwater?

People should educate themselves a little about this boondoggle waste of taxpayers money, and the reasons many residents of New Westminster and Surrey are standing up against TransLink on this one .

http://nwimby.blogspot.ca/2012/06/whats-next-for-pattullo.html
2
2
Rating: 0
rdj10000@hotmail.com
Spend $0 not pulling it down, and make it a bicycle / pedestian / moped / electric vehicle , only.
8
13
Rating: -5
TrueConservative
The old bridge was built where it was built 75 years ago because of it's proximity to the the railway and the inter-urban that went to Columbia St. The new highways that have replaced the railway all go around New West anyway, except the old Patullo.

The new bridge, to be efficient, must cross at Sapperton Bar so we can go North from King George via Bridgeview St. or the new South Fraser Perimeter Road in Surrey, cross the river at the upstream edge of Sapperton Bar and land at Fraser Mills at the Coquitlam/New West border, where we would connect immediately to Hwy 1, Lougheed, and 3 Skytrain lines, with plenty of room for Park & Ride on both sides of the river.
4
1
Rating: +3
@pat
TransLink probably did spend $3 million on the Pattulo Bridge - it was on paper work to keep the do nothng bureaucrats employed. At some point, the accountants and economists at TransLink have to be fired and replaced with engineers to make transit work here.
4
3
Rating: +1
cochran
This Surreyite sympathizes with New Westminster's concern about replacing or re-positioning a new Patullo bridge. I have lived in Surrey for 40 years, and am now retired these last 12 years. I daily commuted the Patullo, as well as the Port Mann bridge for close to 35 years. In those earlier days, commuting was a breeze, if you didn’t mind getting to the bridges by 5:30 am. If the old Patullo were to remain standing, it should be refurbished and down-sized to accommodate single-axle vehicles, cars and pickups only, for daily commuters, who work or have business in the New Westminster area. The trucking industry can wail all it wants, but it is getting an exclusive highway built for it, for the movement of mainly in- and out-bound cargoes. The new “Patullo” bridge should not even be considered to being positioned either up-stream nor down-stream, from the old bridge, but rather, at the confluence of the “Queensborough” and “Alex Fraser” bridges, and connecting highways, springing off from the South Fraser Perimeter Road, across the river to link up with Marine drive in Burnaby, which avoids New Westminster altogether. This would have precluded building a new Port Mann bridge, at great savings to government. It boggles the mind, that engineers would even think of placing a six-lane bridge that crosses the river at E. Columbia, to continue upstream on the north side of the river, when in fact, the major cargo movement will be east and south through Surrey, originating from the Fraser-Surrey docks and Delta Port. The present nightmare commuter corridor through the McBride-10th Ave. corridor needs to be discontinued, as well as the heavily traveled Stewardson Way.
4
4
Rating: 0
Taxpayers R Us
Practically anything Translink should be rejected. We've had a good insight into how much of a tax-grabbing slush fund it is with the storm of media coverage they attracted trying to drive taxes up for their various fails.

Not sure how it would effect Kiddyyy Magazine though, he lives in his parents' basement.
2
2
Rating: 0
DavidH
Pat Johnstone wrote: "So which is it, are we smack dab in the middle, or an isolated backwater?"

You're both. New West is the Luxembourg of the Metro area - in the middle, and trying to remain isolated. In the long run, it won't work.

New West is to Burnaby what White Rock is to Surrey ... a rather annoying and pointlessly expensive obstacle that needs to be absorbed, for the greater good. People in New West (and White Rock) want the best things that come with being part of the Metro area, but none of the bad ... and many of us are tired of it.

At best, New West is a large residential subdivision, and the residents are firmly in favour of NIMBY-ism. They need a serious wake-up call.
0
1
Rating: -1
edoherty
@KiDDAA - News flash, there has not been a fatal crash on the Pattullo since TransLink started closing the center lanes at night. That was over five years ago. If the Pattullo is upgraded there will be further safety improvements.

2nd news flash - There is nowhere for two more lanes of traffic to go on the New West side. The North Fraser Perimeter Road has been cancelled. Why build a billion dollar bottle neck?

Just for added info, the SkyTrain bridge right next to the Pattullo carries less than half the SkyTrain cars and people it was designed for. Why not invest TransLink's resources (our money) into transit, such as more SkyTrain cars and surface rapid transit in Surrey. See http://nwep.ca/2012/06/06/media-release-surrey-and-new-westminster-joint...

2
3
Rating: -1
p lg
Build a tunnel under New West for through traffic and I agree toll of placing tolls on the Pattulo along with all other bridges in the region.

The region's transportation planners have made an absolute mess of the region beginning in the mid 60's. Cities in the region continue to develop in ways that make transit alternatives expensive. Is the region doomed?
2
2
Rating: 0
Surrey Res
I wish people would stop referring to the planned new span as if all six lanes were meant to terminate in New West. There will only be ONE new lane, and the plan shows it veering off to meet up with Columbia, not McBride.
That said, I do not support any further spending by Translink until such time as they deliver on long overdue promises to the South Fraser region to improve service. Why bother talking about building a bridge you have no money to build? Lets be honest here: Translink has no money. Any new span will be paid for by the taxpayers - twice; first with tax dollars, then again by tolling. Tolling the Pattullo would mean there would be NO UNTOLLED CROSSING OUT OF SURREY. This is patently unfair in a region that refuses to allow tolling anywhere else. Of course, this is quite fine with the New West residents who have other options; its ok for drivers to congest Surrey and Delta neighborhoods trying to reach the Alex Fraser; its ok to burn additional fuel driving farther to reach an untolled bridge, as long as its not thru New West.
I get that you don't want more traffic. I also get that trucks should not be using the Pattullo at all. Agreed. So, lets come up with a solution that doesn't, once again, leave Surrey without alternatives. We drive because we have to; to punish us for this is ignorant at best, and will not solve the problem.
1
2
Rating: -1
cochran
@Surrey Res;
Please don't be so naive as to believe that toll-free hunting commuters will not be using the McBride corridor, if the six-lane bridge is constructed of the proposed two options; it'll be a train wreck deluxe. Have you applied for your transponder, yet?
3
1
Rating: +2
Surrey Res
@Cochran:
Why don't you try actually reading my previous post before assuming you know what it says?
You are assuming that a new, six lane bridge will be built and NOT be tolled, and you call me naive????!
I have reread the post, looking for what you think is naive, and come up empty. I did not suggest there would be no tolls added, nor that there would not be toll evaders using the Pattullo until tolls are applied there. I also did not support the six lane bridge, nor trucks using it at all. So, way to go, you've alienated someone who was actually on your side!
Which is what the 210 New West respondents to the 'survey' have done - they are creating a situation that pits Surrey against New West, when they should be looking to us for support. Remember, we have the space to extend the highway on our side...
That said, I will reiterate my original thoughts:
I am NOT in favor of a six lane bridge, unless the new lanes are for bikes and pedestrians.
I am NOT in favor of big rigs using the bridge at all - we've built them the SFPR, they can use it.
I am NOT in favor of tolling ONLY Surrey crossings, as this simply creates 'avoidance' behaviors we would best eliminate.
I AM in favor of improved transit service South of Fraser - we've paid for it, and we're still waiting.
If this is 'naive' according to you, so be it.
I think it is important to stay focused on facts, and the fact is that a six lane bridge does NOT have all six lanes terminating in New West, something that the 'misrepresenters' continue to rag on about. Lets stick to reality and fix what's wrong instead of just moving the problem to someone else's back yard.
3
2
Rating: +1
cochran
Well stated, "Surrey Res", and your comments have not alienated me at all; we are on the same page and our criticisms should be directed towards Translink.
It is true that the Surrey side has a great deal of unused avvailable land area for development purposes, however that is not the case on the New West side.
Can you imagine what a six-lane highway with the necessary clover-leaf approach and exit ramps would do to parts of Queens Park and the old Woodlands School areas? They would literally be disembowled!
And we'll still direct traffic up the McBride-10th Ave. corridor? No thanks.
2
3
Rating: -1
Corey Woolvett
Sorry that i prefer my city New West to stay whiter than the other cities in this horrible metropolis.New West is just like being in more respectable parts of the nation like Ontario or Alberta and keeping this crap out keeps it that way
2
4
Rating: -2
Add new comment
To prevent automated spam submissions leave this field empty.