Reasonable Doubt: How to deal with a traffic ticket in B.C.

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I got a phone call this week from someone that needed some help disputing a traffic ticket. What I thought was a person interested in being a client was actually just someone looking for free advice. Perhaps naively, I explained everything then told her my rates. She told me then that she would probably just try doing it herself. Ah, c’est la vie.

At any rate, why keep this information to myself? I may as well share it with all of you.

So you’ve received a traffic ticket—perhaps for changing lanes incorrectly, texting, or speeding or anything else. What to do, what to do?

First of all, you need to decide fairly quickly if you want to dispute it. Some people feel that they were truly in the wrong and should pay the fine. Some of us are not so noble. Some of us realize, correctly, that the points that come attached to a particular ticket can mean increased premiums from ICBC or even a driving prohibition.

So, figure out your liability. Check out whether or not the offence that you’ve been ticketed for comes with points attached. You can do this on the ICBC website. Remember accumulating a certain number of points can mean continuous driving prohibitions from ICBC.

When you decide to dispute your ticket you have 30 days to send in your dispute form. Print it out off the Internet and fill it out.

Eventually, you will receive a court date from traffic court. This is your chance to be heard in court. Before you attend court that date, you have some homework to do. Sit yourself down, look at your ticket, and figure out which police officer issued you your ticket. Figure out which detachment he or she works at. Send a letter to that police officer requesting to have their notes. This is called knowing the case against you in order to make full answer and defence. You are entitled to these notes.

You may receive them before the hearing date or you may not. If you do receive them, study them. Has the police officer taken detailed enough notes to convict you of your traffic ticket? Are all the details correct?

Regardless of what you receive or don’t receive, you must appear in court on the date of your hearing. Show up 15 to 20 minutes before the designated time. This is when all the negotiations take place. Before you go, try to decide what would be a good result for you. Would you be willing to accept the fine, just not the points? If so then perhaps you can agree with the police officer to plead to a different offence that doesn’t have any points attached. Or plead to the ticketed offence as the registered owner of the car and not the driver. This way you pay the fine, but don’t get the points on your licence.

Or absolute best-case scenario, the cop does not show up. Or shows up, but tells you he is not going to call any evidence. This means you get off scot free.

The other situation, the cop shows up but forgot to send you his notes. In this case you’ll go into the court room and ask the presiding justice of the peace for an adjournment because you have not received the disclosure you requested on (insert date of letter).

When the court opens, you’ll be directed to go into the court room. Walk in and sit in the gallery—one of the many seats behind the wooden gate. The JP is the person sitting up on the high bench facing you. The JP will likely go through everyone in the court room and ask for their name.

Depending on the JP’s method of organization, he will call you up when he’s ready. You and the cop that gave you the ticket will proceed past the gate. The police officer will tell the JP what is going on, what he is prosecuting you for, if a deal has been reached, and whether or not there is going to be a hearing. Then the JP will ask to hear from you. How are you pleading—guilty or not guilty? Are you asking for an adjournment? If you are, be ready with the date that you would like to put the hearing to—usually something sometime in the next month.

If you are eager to proceed to having a hearing, good luck with that. Traffic court is a bit like a rodeo where anything can happen. The normal rules of evidence do not seem to apply and the law is interpreted loosely. All the best stuff happens at the negotiating phase.

You can ask for time to pay from the JP. Or you can proceed directly to the area where you have to pay right after your hearing.

Reasonable Doubt appears on Straight.com on Fridays. The column’s writers, Laurel Dietz and Nancy Seto, are criminal defence lawyers at Cobb St. Pierre Lewis. You can send your questions for the column to them at straight.reasonable.doubt@gmail.com.

A word of caution: Don’t take this column as personal legal advice, because it’s not. It is intended for general information and entertainment purposes only.

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Sheep
I have zero sympathy for people that are in gross violation of speeding etc that endanger other peoples lives on + off the Roads.

However all too often speed traps ticket folks doing between 5 to 10 K above the speed limit, this is an abuse of the speeding laws, that is the issuing of $100 fines for small amounts of speed above the speed limit.

After all who has not driven at 55-60km/per hour at some point in their lives (above the 50km posted or limit in most City streets), if not everyday, if nothing else to keep pace and be safe within a given traffic flow.

What happens if you do not pay a monetary fine issued via Traffic Court? In Vancouver City for example can and do they as a matter of course issue a warrant for your arrest?
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Taxpayers R Us
"If you are eager to proceed to having a hearing, good luck with that. Traffic court is a bit like a rodeo where anything can happen. The normal rules of evidence do not seem to apply and the law is interpreted loosely."

lol, thanks Laurel got a good giggle out of that one - thinking it should apply to family court:

"Family court is a bit like a rodeo, where anything can happen. The Law of Equity is tossed only to the person wearing the skirt. Evidence only applies one way and the law is interpreted loosely, but will guarantee both lawyers are laughing all the way to the bank."
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Pat R
Well Taxpayer, I know first hand that isn't the case. But never let the facts get in the way of a good story.
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Taxpayers R Us
@Pat R

By all means, present your findings, Pat. The rest of us know this from watching and learning :)
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elvis
thanks for the info. it is accurate today they asked me to plead guility and said the ticket will be issued to registered owner instead of my record. what they are looking for is money but not damaging the driving record
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chris devries
we live in bc, my daughter who has an N is in jepordy of loosing her licence over a speeding ticket, could she ask to have it issued to registered owner instead of the record in this instance?
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Velby Paul
Hi. My story is kinda different. I got a speeding ticket for going 73 km in a 50 zone. My first ever ticket. Usually, I dont speed and sometimes I do monitor my speed to check if I am going at the posted speed. I was on the left lane because there was a car on the right lane who was driving really slow 40-50 km, so I had to change lanes, but the guy in front of me was going at 50. By this time I was able to get parallel the car on the right. All of a sudden the guy in front of me just dashed like 80-90 km I should say, which gave me enough room to just speed up and get to the right lane. As soon as I got to the right lane, I am pretty sure I maintained my speed to 50-60 km, but was pulled over by a cop who had a radar gun stating I was going 72 km. I am pretty sure with both cars blocking me how can he shoot only me and the main thing was why did'nt he stop the guy in front of me. I have challenged it now. Lets see what happens.
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Jennifer B
Hi Laurel. I read your column and thanks for the information. would like to know if you have dealt with anyone who got a speeding ticket in Golden.
I have repeatedly asked the young officer to send me his notes as I’m entitled to full disclosure, but he has not done so yet.
Ticket was issued June 20, 2011 for speeding westbound near Kinbasket Lake Resort on Hwy 1 west of Golden BC (wherever that is). I actually thought I was still in Alberta and had no idea I was in BC. There were no clear signs that I can remember.

The ticket does not disclose the speed and not sure if points are attached to it. I later learned he alleges I was going ~25 kms over the limited (115-118 kms in a 90 km zone). This was impossible because I had just driven the newly purchased van from Vermont and discovered it needed a new transmission when it broke down in North Bay, Ontario enroute to Vancouver. Mr. Transmission confirmed it wasn’t capable of going over 80 km and confirmed it would cost $6100 to rebuild the transmission. I have documentation to this effect.

I did not have my driver’s license on me when he stopped me because I had my wallet stolen at a gas station in Ontario (left it hanging on a hook in the ladies’ room). I explained this to him and because I was so nervous, I recited my number to him because I knew it. Dumb!
Long story short, I asked Golden to adjourn a November hearing because of bad winter driving conditions (I live in Vancouver) and they told me to complete the wrong form which resulted in a NO SHOW. Golden told me to complete PTR 022 (Written Reasons) instead of PTR 818 (Application for Adjournment). Even though I faxed in an adjournment request 3 weeks before the hearing date, I now have to appeal this by filing a PTR 020 (Affidavit) that will cost me $15, plus whatever it costs to have it notarized. The ticket is $138.

I realize you’re not in the business of giving ‘free’ advice, but I was wondering if you know the best way to handle this as no one seems to know their right hand from their left. It’s very frustrating when court staff give out wrong information and we have to pay.

Thanks and hope to hear from you about this convoluted mess.
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