Robson Street block to stay car-free this fall as Vancouver studies potential permanent plaza

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The 800 block of Robson Street will remain closed to vehicles until the end of this year, the City of Vancouver announced today (August 29).

The site will continue to be used as a pedestrian plaza this fall, as city staff look into the possibility of a permanent closure of the block between Hornby and Howe Streets.

Mayor Gregor Robertson said in a news release the area has been a “hub of activity” during the past two summers.

"We have an opportunity to create an important new public plaza in the centre of the Downtown and have a timely opportunity to consider this option,” he said.

In December 2010, Vancouver city council approved a motion directing staff to look into the creation of a major public square at 800 Robson Street. Staff are expected to report back to council on the issue later this fall.

“This year we have that opportunity to keep it closed until December, and staff can study and monitor and talk to stakeholders and figure out if it makes sense beyond the summer closures to do it on a permanent basis,” Vision Vancouver councillor Andrea Reimer told the Straight by phone.

According to the city, staff will discuss a potential permanent closure of the block with stakeholders including the Downtown Vancouver Business Improvement Association and TransLink.

Charles Gauthier, the executive director of the DVBIA, expressed disappointment that his organization hasn’t yet been approached by the city on its long-term plan for the pedestrian plaza.

“It’s kind of putting the cart before the horse without having any kind of consultation with our organization or with the member businesses about impacts, good and bad,” he said in a phone interview.

Gauthier said the DVBIA’s position on street closures is that they should be temporary and “actively programmed.”

“From our side of the fence, our position’s quite clear, that temporary closures have to be activated with some kind of events,” he said.

“Not to have anything happening at all and just having it closed and not funding it in terms of activation is not in line with what our position is right now.”

Reimer noted staff had to make a decision about whether to keep the block closed before the bus schedules were printed for this fall. She said staff are currently developing a consultation plan.

Drew Snider, a spokesperson for TransLink, said the No. 5 and N6 buses will continue to be re-routed via Burrard and Pender Streets while the block remains closed this fall.

The idea of an expanded pedestrian plaza at Robson Square has been supported by organizations including the Vancouver Public Space Network, which circulated a petition last summer calling for the 800 block of Robson to remain closed to vehicles.

Reimer noted that council passed the direction in December 2010 for staff to examine a potential permanent plaza on Robson as part of a broader downtown public spaces plan.

“Part of the issue is we have public spaces dotted around downtown but no coherent plan,” said Reimer. “You can’t get a public plaza map.”

NPA councillor George Affleck said he supports open spaces, but wants to see a report on any potential effects of the block closure on Robson Street and other downtown businesses. Council's direction on the plaza in 2010 was the result of an amendment to a motion moved by former NPA councillor Suzanne Anton.

“It seems like it’s been quite a success, and hopefully we can continue that kind of success to kind of open the space for walking,” Affleck told the Straight.

“I’d like to see a report on the impact and hear from the BIA about the impact of this, whether it’s negative or positive.”

The street outside the Vancouver Art Gallery has recently featured the “Pop Rocks” display as part of the VIVA Vancouver summer streets program. That installation is expected to remain in place through September if weather permits.

Reimer said city council will make a decision on the potential permanent closure of the block by late November or early December.

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Kim Collins
Nice! We are long overdue for a south-facing square in the centre of the city. Great to see this city growing up!
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jonny .
This is silly. There is TONS of sidewalk/plaza space around robson square that is never used. There is NO need to take away a road so people can play in the road, when they could just as easily play in robson square instead. Waste of money and waste of time.
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HellSlayerAndy
If were voting on massive urban renewal schemes tossed up developers, pol creeps and bagmen supported by civic ratepayers...

Then I VOTE to turn Robson into an urban concept where Howe all the way to Denman is filled with trees and greenery and public spaces for bikes, small shops, kids, theater, pathways, community gardens and vibes.

Def vote against a 70s Granville Mall urban concept.
But please...NO Busses at least.
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rr
jonny - you have no idea what you are talking about son, now run along

Kim - agree completely. This is brilliant, overdue and will contribute to what is an increasing buzz in the city
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tedelection
in case you didnt notice ...Vancouver has a cold, wet, dark climate.....6 months a year the plaza will sit empty
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daisybell
I think its a fantastic idea.

They should permanently close the block, plant a few trees, install a bunch of picnic tables and set up some permanent food truck stalls!
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Jiff
It's as if very slowly but surely, North America tweaks to the things that make European cities work so well. Eventually we'll get out of these cocky, feigned wisdom teenage years and truly wise up. I hope. The U.S. may be more like the frat boy that never grows out of it.
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Emily Cat
Totally with you there Kim, think how nice it will be to have a drink on the VAG patio!
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CarmenMills
Perfect, it's about time - Vancouver is shamefully lacking in 'unprogrammed' car-free public spaces, where people can simply stroll, mingle and hang out, with no fixed agenda. We don't need any more stages full of corporate-sanctioned entertainment, especially when it comes decked out with sponsors and self-congratulatory banners. Real public space allows for genuine culture to thrive. Ironically, this seems to be what the DVBIA fears most.
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WestendVan
This discourages transit use in Vancouver. Buses need to use Robson too, now they have to make a long detour adding extra minutes to a trip. Quicker to get in a car instead of taking the bus.
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Stephen Hardy
This is a bone-headed move. The closure makes it very difficult for residents of the West End to get to the Georgia and Granville transit transfer point. The rerouted #5 bus now "goes nowhere"! Translink, get the #5 bus back to Georgia and Granville and provide proper service to West End residents! I haven't shopped at the Bay nor at the Pacific Centre Mall since the closure and the bus rerouting started. What is the DVBIA position on this! Do they care if access to Vancouver's business centre is cut off?
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out at night
Stephen Hardy makes a good point. As a Westender I find the Robson closures (they've been frequent of late) really messes up my getting home from work at midnight plans.

I'm totally for the open, ped friendly concept (including this one) but Translink had better rethink the #5 bus route and come up with something that hews closer to the original route. How about using Georgia instead of going hell and gone over to Pender?!
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RF
Try walking if this one tiny stretch of closed pavement upsets your motorized habits, particularly if you live in the West End. That's kinda' one of the benefits of living downtown. Geez. We're not L.A. where people drive to the gym to go for a walk.
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Richard D
I feel like the ridership has slipped on the number 5 since the reroute began. I'm hoping this doesn't lead to a reduction in service to the westend. It is one of the more densely populated areas of the city.

I also don't see the picnic area with more than a few tables used at a time, it doesn't seem to make sense to use the whole street.

I would prefer the city install more street side seating areas like on Robson at Burrard and Main and 14th. Those are well utilized and a welcome addition to the neighbourhood.

We should be encouraging transit use in addition to creating public space. The streetside areas accomplish this, rerouteing an important bus route does not.
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polemic
Down with corporate nimbyism! Down with the DVBIA!
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out at night
Oh please, RF...

"Try walking"?

Yes, I've "tried walking", about 800 times, okay? It's great. But when you've worked a 12 hour day and most of it on your feet, you might just want to get on the good ol' #5 and get home, especially if it's raining, winter, you know, late, gotta get up early...

I ride a bike or walk most of the time so it's not a huge deal for me personally. But I know it's a real pain in the ass for lots of folks, including my own 'lazy' self sometimes. Would you prescribe the same "try walking" cure for the elderly, disabled, vulnerable, trying to get home at 1:00 am?

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RF
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I'm saying - what's the big deal? A few extra minutes on the bus? I can walk about as fast as it takes the Robson bus to crawl out of the West End and creep towards its turning point at Pender and Richards. The buses are unbelievably slow anyway - you can't be in too much of a hurry if you're on one, so five or ten minutes seems quibbling.

I'm for anything that focuses more on people than cars, cars, cars. It seems a small price to pay.
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SW
Once again our city is going to block traffic. Why can't they push the space up to the steps of Robson Court so traffic won't be blocked. Have you ever tried driving down the area on a week day after 2pm? It's backed up due to the bike lanes and now Robson. The idea is good just in the wrong location.
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RF
I would add however, that a better #5 route would be a good idea - it is quite the joke as it is now.
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out at night
As far as I'm concerned they can convert the entire downtown peninsula to a permanent car-free zone, provided they put in rapid transit that doesn't habitually "crawl", isn't re-routed constantly for everything from construction to parades to things like this here, and doesn't 'strand' us Westenders in a weird no-access zone when traffic is too heavy for any or all of the above reasons. I guess it's probably too late, and too expensive, but why in the darned heck didn't they create an English Bay Skytrain stop way back when? What, no one wants to go to Stanley Park or the beach? In my perfect Vancouver the Skytrain would have a U-shaped spur from Roundhouse to Waterfront with a stop on Davie, one at English Bay and one somewhere along Robson. You know, like a real city.
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