Vancouver’s EXP Restaurant + Bar fights ban on video games with liquor service

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Vancouver residentBrian Vidovic envisions patrons of his forthcoming restaurant sitting down for a meal of burgers, beer, and Mario Kart.

But the co-owner and creative director of EXP Restaurant + Bar, slated to open in July at 309 West Pender Street, told the Georgia Straight that the B.C. Liquor Control and Licensing Branch is standing in the way of his dream.

That’s because, after Vidovic applied for a food-primary liquor licence, the LCLB stipulated in writing that the use of video-game consoles will be prohibited in the restaurant.

“It’s been a bit of a struggle, because they initially thought it was gambling,” Vidovic said by phone. “I made it very clear that it’s not gambling, and then they just outright said no, because they don’t understand it.”

A former game designer at Radical Entertainment, Vidovic is one of EXP’s three co-owners. Their plans call for video-game consoles and TVs at tables, “game-ready” food that won’t get customers’ hands dirty, and background music from games. The idea is to create a comfortable environment for gamers and people curious about games.

“Video games are a legitimate, interesting, and powerful entertainment medium,” Vidovic said. “We want to just illustrate that in the most profound way possible, by throwing it in what is typically seen as an adult venue. That’s our vision for it.”

More than 2,900 people have signed Vidovic’s online petition calling on the LCLB to allow video games in EXP and other licensed establishments. His fight comes in the wake of the Rio Theatre’s successful, high-profile campaign to reform the provincial liquor-licence rules for movie theatres.

“With your support online, the local community liaisons, MLAs, game and tech companies, restaurateurs, liquor license holders, and other public figures, we hope to change the entire licensing process from 2 licenses (food primary and liquor primary) to a more robust, efficient, and fair system that holds public safety at the highest echelon of importance, rather than the totalitarian control on entertainment based on an out-dated policy,” Vidovic’s petition states.

The B.C. Ministry of Energy and Mines, which oversees the LCLB, didn’t make a representative available for comment today (June 13).

According to the LCLB Licensing Policy Manual, last updated in March, “video arcade style games” and other games that require patrons to get up from their tables are not allowed in the licensed areas of food-primary establishments. Meanwhile, Internet-connected computers, and board and card games are permitted, provided they “do not alter the primary focus on the service of food” and can be played by seated customers.

Vidovic asserted that it’s “ridiculous” that EXP is “being screwed” by “archaic” liquor regulations. He noted that the restaurant—which has raised more than $32,000 on the crowd-funding website Indiegogo—will open without video-game consoles if needed.

But Vidovic maintains he won’t give up his fight to change the “silly” rules, which he believes stem from the outdated notion that video games are for kids.

“That’s so wrong,” Vidovic said. “The average age of gamers is 34. It’s not for children anymore, and that’s where they need to update. It’s just an old policy. That’s how I feel about it. Everything needs to be updated with regards to entertainment, specifically video games.”

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Erazoender
It's absolutely ludicrous that they're refusing to let video games be played in a bar like such. Even if the general (outdated) notion is that video games are for kids, what's the problem with allowing video games to be played in a bar? Even if it's for a "minority" of people, there's still nothing wrong with it.... and Casinos are allowed without a doubt. Such hypocrisy.

Not to mention the whole Rickshaw ordeal; they managed with alcohol and all ages for years until the city slammed down on it.
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Ren
From looking at the laws its "arcades = youth = no booze". It's totally outdated since many adults game.

But the location of EXP is terrible - right across the street is Convenant House, housing for youth and on the same block is housing for mental house/ addictions that also has youth living in it. With that said, it be a hard sell to win.
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More info please
Can someone explain what would have happened if he applied for a liqour primary licence instead? Id guess he wouldnt have had the same problem since pool tables and darts are allowed at pubs for instance so why not video games.

A video game pub makes more sense than a restaurant in my opinion if he wants it to be more adult orientated. Just my two cents, and i cant wait to check it out.
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Granville
BCLB probably evaluated its chance of success as a business (no prev experience and bad location) and decided to save this "entrepreneur" a bunch of trouble.
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Osler
@More info please
It's a non-starter since the city controls zoning and no bars allowed.
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MillsGee
There's absolutely zero reason for the liquor board to deny video games - of all things - in a bar. In what universe does that make any kind of sense at all?
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Arcturus
Great to know that Vancouverites can enjoy face smashing at UFC events, angry thrashing music at metal concerts, and naked women all with alcohol, but Mario Kart isn't allowed...#nofuncity
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Vancity Gamer
The concept of this establishment already works VERY well for AFK Tavern in Everett, which many Vancouver gamers, including myself, frequent. Gaming + food + alcohol is a time tested recipe for good, hassle-free fun. The gaming community is mature and respectful, violence and hard drugs belong in video games not in our real lives. EXP isn't a threat, in fact, it's probably the least of the area's worries for entertainment establishments. If anything the tax revenue from this venue will be paying for the policing of the traditional bars in the area! Help us help the city :)
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Anton
I just stay at home and pound vodka with my Playstation. God I'm lonely.
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tweet
Just in case, work on a really good unique virgin drink list.
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Elliot
I walked by it the other day and it looks fantastic inside. This is such a great new idea I can't wait for opening day!
Oh, and since this whole thing with the liquor board came up I've been making a point of gaming on my laptop in licensed restaurants all over the city. Yup, not one place has told me it's not allowed. So, LCLB, tell me how you're going to enforce this all restaurants equally like you have to?
Who wants to flashmob gaming in a restaurant, let's do this!
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dsms
Vidovic is right, Vancouver liquor laws are archaic. Gameworks in Seattle or Jillian's throughout the US are perfect example of successful arcades that allows patrons to drink while playing games. This type of thing seems to exist everywhere except Vancouver. No fun city indeed.
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Gentleman Jack
"Gaming + food + alcohol is a time tested recipe for good, hassle-free fun. The gaming community is mature and respectful, violence and hard drugs belong in video games not in our real lives"

Alcohol is a hard drug. Encouraging people to associate consumption of alcohol with other repetitive activities, like video-game playing, is likely not responsible for a regulatory state to allow. Indeed, that a "gamer" says this sort of thing highlights the disconnection from reality that alcohol and video games can produce. Alcohol is a hard drug. It is incredibly costly for society. Rather than increasing the number of venues in which alcohol is served and normalized, we should be moving toward a society that utilizes safer substances for recreation.
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skyrimprincess
Booze or no, this place sounds like it's going to be rad. Must check it out!
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Markson
I wonder if people would have given this restaurant all that money on indiegogo if they had known from the start that video games would not be allowed in this establishment. Also, didnt this guy do his research before trying to open such a business???
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MarkBowen
It's lovely how its seems the only way to get totally archaic, anti-common sense, anti-business laws changed is by making a giant media kerfuffle about them.

Put in a polite request to the ministry involved, outlining your case, showing how it is a total win-win money maker for all parties involved? Woosh... Your request disappears into the endless halls and filing cabinets of government never to be heard again, or if you get really lucky, an endless procedural back and forth game with weeks or months between contact.

I suppose there is always another, even more effective way to change the law to help your business, but hiring lobbyists backed up with wheelbarrows of cash to grease the palms of our government leaders is generally beyond the reach of the small business owner.
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R U Kiddingme
This place sounds awesome, hope they get their licensing straightened out. I take my kids to, like, White Spot and I can have a beer and they can't. It seems to work just fine at White Spot. Why wouldn't it work in a restaurant that has videogames instead of just colouring books and grease-spotted paper boats to play with.
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truth-teller
Calling this a new and novel concept does a grave disservice to "the folks in the basement of the Pizza Hut and the R.O.N.S. staff" who have long been slipping malibu rum and vodka into the beep-slurpy machine, in spite of these draconian restrictions.

Sheeple, wake up: can't you see Lord Chumley's usual meddling here? The shadow of his long arm descends into the deepest chambers of power, and he considers all of Western Canada "his turf".
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stuartm
Just another example of government playing Daddy State. Notice LCLB never gives a logical reason for their regulations? They just dictate their demands like an abusive father.
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Kevin Gorham
I live in Saint John, New Brunswick. We had a similar place to this (not so fancy) but it was almost like an internet cafe, except you could rent a tv with a 360 or ps3 and there were 25-30 big screen tv's mounted all around devoted to gaming and in the centre upwards of 30 pc's for PC gamers. They served alcohol and had no issue whatsoever.. The place (U-Zone (as it was called)) has since gone out of business on account of a shitty market in a shitty city. I wish you guys luck and hopefully I'll visit EXP some day when I make it to BC
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