Vancouver park board allows HST petition canvassers in community centres

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Organizers of the official petition campaign against the harmonized sales tax say they have collected the amount of signatures they need in every riding across the province.

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That didn’t stop Vision Vancouver and COPE commissioners from voting at the park board meeting last night (June 7) to allow anti-HST campaigners to collect names in community centres.

In the 5-2 vote, park board chair Aaron Jasper and his Vision colleagues Raj Hundal, Sarah Blyth, and Constance Barnes joined COPE’s Loretta Woodcock in voting in favour of the idea.

“This is an issue that affects every British Columbian,” Hundal said, introducing his motion at the end of a meeting that ran four hours at the Strathcona Community Centre.

However, Green commissioner Stuart Mackinnon listed his concerns, primarily that the motion is “risky and is unfair”, as campaigns to recall MLAs over the HST are set to begin in the fall.

“This is into the realm of partisan politics,” Mackinnon said.


Stuart Mackinnon claims his Vision colleagues are involved in "risky" politics.

NPA commissioner Ian Robertson voted no along with Mackinnon, adding that the anti-HST initiative has been successful, negating the need to put time and effort into allowing the canvassers the free rein they are allowed in other municipalities.

“My concern is that, if we open it up to this, there will be other opportunities for other groups very well deserving that would require the use of our community centres for their specific activity,” Robertson said.

Former Vancouver city councillor and park commissioner Mae Brown also showed up to speak against Hundal’s motion.


Ian Robertson explains why he can't support allowing anti-HST petitions in community centres.

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glen p robbins
Repeat: This decision is simple. The Petition against the HST ("proponent") is an Initiative at Elections BC -- which law deals most directly with democracy -- as opposed to say the Evidence Act (another law). It has been filed properly was accepted by Elections BC and the government or any other organization could have filed to be an ("Opponent"). Neither the BC Liberal government nor any other organization FOR the HST stepped forward officially and legally.

Mr. Robertson is in a very poor political decision based on his rationales for voting against the Motion -- as Recall is not a registered action with Elections BC -- it has merely been speculated about ("the threat").

The Motion before the Board was real -- the rationale for voting No was not real - it was based on a potential instrinsic possibility.

Where Mr. Robertson might have had some credibility is in a situation where he was arguing about the partisanship of Recall -- if Recall was what the debate was about. It wasn't.

The Green Party has gone on record as supporting the HST -- Mr. Robertson is a Green party member. It is far far easier to stick the partisanship --- political label on he than on the Vision Vancouver Commissioners.
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Island Man
This is good news.
Other good news is that Washington state will exempt BC residents from paying sales tax on purchases. If a jurisdiction has a tax of less than 3 % they don't charge tax. Since BC will have no PST we qualify for the excemption. Just shos your drivers licence to prove you are from BC...No Tax.
So we can protest with our dollars tax free in Washington state after July 1.
Campbell has created a real monster with his betrayal of BC people and it's circling tighter all the time around his neck.
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Anonymous
The real issue here is about the policy for the community centers and not HST. The fact of the matter is that community centers should are meant for leisure and recreation for all. Not for rallies and petition and above all not politics! Once this exemption is made, it is really going to be difficult to prevent other types of petitions and protests of this kind to lobby in community centers. Mae Brown also had some good points, how many petitioners would be allowed in the lobby? and which types of petitions would be allowed in the lobbies, when would they be allowed in the lobbies? and for how long? where are the logistics and who would make these decisions? The revised motion indicated that, that would be up to the decretion of the General Manager. We elected this current board to make these decisions for us? why is it now up to park board staff?
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Stuart Mackinnon
glen p robbins has it wrong on many fronts. Commissioner Robertson is with the NPA not the Greens. While the BC Green Party supports a 10% HST, the federal party opposes the HST. I am also on record of opposing the HST and have signed the petition. One argument against the motion was because it included all initiatives under the legislation--which includes re-call. Re-call may be just a threat at the moment, but the motion anticipates that threat, and upholds it. The main argument presented was that Community Centres should be free of political campaigns. The anti-HST folks can shout and deny as loudly as they want, but it is a political campaign and has no place in our Community Centres.
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glen p robbins
Thank you Stuart -- and my apologies to Mr. Robertson -- who I understand has ties to the BC Liberals and opposes the HST.

To a blooger above -- community centres are administered by government and paid for by taxpayers who also fit the entire bill for provincial government which includes those statutes connecting provincial and municipal government.

The only action under BC Elections which has a Green Light and is Official is the current Initiative which the motion considers. Respectfully, how does the motion anticipate the threat -- if it does -- whoever drafted the motion (before Commissioners) likely drafted a lousy motion -- could I see a copy of the Motion please?

Recall is a different process than this Initiative is. This Initative has a proponent -- while opponents had the legislated opportunity to participate.
Recall may be perceived as more political because of the specificity of the objective -- to create a by-election (presuambly to replace the elected official being recalled). (More of a zero sum type aspect of the legislation).

Very clearly, to keep this basic -- the Initiative is a vegetable like a squash - while Recall is a tomato -- how you say it and classify it is different and couldn't possibly be fairly contemplated under any motion dealing with community centres and the Initiative presently lawfully before the people of the province -- including those taxpayers that fund the community centres and the Commissions; salaries.

When and if Recall becomes an issue to deal with -- will take on its own 'look' predicated on the liklihood that only some Vancouver ridings will be targeted for Recall -- these ridings comprising regions within the city of Vancouver proper.
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