PavCo proposes reduced expansion of slot machines as public hearing on B.C. Place casino concludes

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      A public hearing on the proposed relocation and expansion of Edgewater Casino concluded today (April 10) with a last-minute option extended by the project's applicant, the B.C. Pavilion Corporation.

      After hearing from 145 speakers over five days, including meetings throughout the weekend, city councillors heard a proposed third course of action aside from approving or rejecting the casino complex.

      During a closing statement, PavCo chair David Podmore told council the applicant would be willing to reduce the proposed increase in slot machines from 1,500 to 1,200, with an opportunity for Paragon to apply to extend the number of slots in two years.

      “That is an option...we would certainly be happy to work with the city, and I know Paragon is also happy to work with the city if that helps to a certain extent,” he said.

      But the gesture was greeted with criticism from the spokesperson of a coalition of residents opposed to the casino expansion.

      Sandy Garossino of Vancouver, Not Vegas said she doesn’t think the offer will make any difference to the project's opponents.

      “It’s still 2.6 acres of casino floor,” she told the Straight by phone. “That is a massive casino floor right in the heart of downtown in the most densely populated residential neighbourhood in B.C.”

      “This is not an appropriate site, it is not an appropriate size, it is not an appropriate project for the nature of our city,” she added.

      Garossino argued the public should have been notified of all the options being considered by PavCo at the outset of the hearing.

      “If PavCo and Paragon wanted to put that before city council, they should have done that as the outset, not as a surprise move at the end,” she said.

      Podmore said the move was “a respectful response to the public hearing process.”

      “We’ve been through this, we’ve listened, it’s one of the big concerns was the extent of the expansion,” he told reporters.

      The PavCo chair told councillors a reduced expansion of 1,200 slot machines could mean a phased-in construction of one of the hotels proposed as part of the complex.

      The proposed development would involve the relocation of Edgewater Casino at its current location at the Plaza of Nations to a site adjacent to B.C. Place. If approved, the $500-million casino-hotel complex would be the largest in Western Canada.

      Edgewater Casino is currently permitted up to 600 slot machines and 150 gaming tables.

      Garossino argued if council approves an initial 1,200 slots, as suggested by PavCo, it would be the “thin edge of the wedge” for further expansion.

      “We may as well just make the decision now,” she said. “In two years they’re going to come back and they’re going to ask for exactly the same thing, and how’s council going to say no in two years? Obviously if they say yes today, they will say yes in two years to the full.”

      During the five days of the public hearing, which began on March 7, city council heard from 145 speakers, 58 of which were in favour of the proposal, 83 were against, and four offered no opinion.

      City council received 1,027 letters in support of the plan, 719 in opposition and 103 that were neutral.

      Supporters included the B.C. Sports Hall of Fame, the Downtown Business Improvement Association, several unions, and current Edgewater Casino employees, many of whom wore yellow “Save Our Jobs” t-shirts to city hall.

      Council heard concerns that the current location of the casino will close down if the proposed relocation and expansion is not approved.

      Among the opponents of the proposal were members of the Vancouver, Not Vegas coalition, which includes a list of residents' associations, arts groups, local academics, architects, judges, lawyers, religious leaders, and other residents.

      Opponents have cited concerns about issues including the potential for increased gambling addiction, impacts on the community, and crime.

      Council has also heard from public health officer John Carsley, who recommended council reject the proposal as a precautionary approach to avoid any potential increase in problem gambling.

      On Sunday, some of the casino critics included Vancouver artist Ken Lum, who said he is strongly opposed to the Edgewater proposal. He recounted a negative experience of gambling addiction in his family.

      "I've seen first hand what happens when someone very close to you is an addicted gambler," he said. "Growing up, it was disastrous for my siblings, my extended family and so on."

      Supporters during the final day included Bernie Magnan, who spoke on behalf of the Vancouver Board of Trade.

      "The Vancouver Board of Trade fully endorses Paragon's proposed entertainment complex with all its incumbent benefits in investment, local employment and positive economic impact," he told council.

      Council has now concluded hearing from speakers, but will meet to deliberate the proposal on Tuesday, April 19.

      Comments

      20 Comments

      Casinos Kill People

      Apr 11, 2011 at 12:13am

      Dear Vancouver Mayor and Council:

      Please, do not approve this huge casino and jeopardize lives and savings of countless people who live next door to you, but are too weak to resist the inevitable expert marketing campaign by the gambling stage crew.

      Second Nation

      Apr 11, 2011 at 7:17am

      Dear "casinos" - the mayor is not reading this comments section.

      If you really want to share your thoughts with him then pick up the phone or send an email to mayor and council. The address is on the CoV website.

      monty/that's me

      Apr 11, 2011 at 7:22am

      CNN's documentary interviewed the pimps on the strip in Vegas. They earn $150,000 to $500,000 using girls as young as 13. Where will the money come from for policing all this, for housing rescued children? Last time when Mr. Wynn of Vegas made a proposal for a casino here the Board of Trade nixed it vigorously. Is the Board getting a piece of the action or is the current group just naive and stupid?

      see www.thevancouverobserver.com article under civic affairs

      As for job loss, Edgewater will stay open if this Council has the wisdom to veto this project.

      SD

      Apr 11, 2011 at 8:46am

      Having fewer slot machines does nothing to address the issue of whether the casino should be there.
      If the 1200 are successful, there will be pressures to increase them. If they are not successful, the city will be stuck with another McBarge (the Expo Eyesore) and a bankrupt project that looked good on paper (the Athletes Village)

      SD

      Apr 11, 2011 at 8:49am

      Put it to a referendum.

      Lindsay Brown

      Apr 11, 2011 at 10:52am

      The fact is, a clear majority of Vancouverites reject gambling expansion in this municipality. 1200 or 1500 slots, it makes little difference - either way it's a significant expansion in the City of Vancouver. For PavCo to suggest otherwise shows they are just playing a word game. Furthermore PavCo doesn't even see this as a reduction, their line went something like "1200 slots now 'minimum' with the chance to expand to 1500 later."

      I'd like to add that over many days and nights of hearings, Council heard many members of the public not only criticize gambling expansion in general but also oppose the relocation of the casino to BC Place. Many felt the conjoining of gambling and sports would send a dangerous message. Unlike the current Edgewater location, BC Place is a highly public civic location. Locating a casino there automatically legitimates and promotes gambling and links it to the healthier pursuit of sports. This is particularly a problem for impressionable segments of the population such as teen males visiting the stadium, a group the BCLC's own figures show is the highest growth market for gambling in BC and is a clear target of BCLC advertising. I hardly need to mention the additional problem of linking the sports industry even more closely with betting and fixing. What sort of city adds a casino to a stadium? I'm averse to the term "world class" but this is the farthest thing from world class.

      If Edgewater has to be relocated, find a different spot on the outskirts of town as is done in other cities, and away from densely populated areas. Proximity to dense residential districts is clearly correlated with the creation of new problem gamblers. (See gambling economist Robert Goodman's studies on this, some commissioned by the US federal government.)

      This is a cynical last-minute move on PavCo's part, and it shows contempt and disregard for proper public hearing procedure and the application process. If this is truly a democratic process, Council will send PavCo back to the drawing board and tell it to do something else. Sans casino.

      Paganista

      Apr 11, 2011 at 1:01pm

      Clearly it is only fanatics who are against this development. Hypocrites who have a religious impulse to control other people's lives.

      No one is forcing you to go to this new casino.

      I am sick and tired of these moral midgets making choices for me.

      BUILD IT PLEASE!

      ENOUGH WITH IMPOSING YOUR OWN PERSONAL RELIGIOUS BELIEFS UPON THE REST OF US.

      You want small-town pettiness? Move to the Valley. Leave us alone to build a big and bright city in Vancouver. You are evil.

      All this bs about oh maybe something bad will happen is preposterous! A few people will go too far, listen why don't you ban football or hockey, things that cause serious life-threatening and killing injuries to many many more than will be negatively affected by this development.

      Oh right, you are zealots so that doesn't matter.

      STAY OUT OF MY LIFE!!!!!!!!! I am not forcing you to do anything but you are forcing me to live like you. EVIL.

      Ken Lawson

      Apr 11, 2011 at 1:26pm

      This project must be approved now!

      SD

      Apr 11, 2011 at 4:11pm

      Religion has nothing to do with it. A casino is a bad idea for purely economic reasons. It takes money out of the community without giving anything of value back.

      Sven Crawson

      Apr 11, 2011 at 4:28pm

      This project must be rejected now!