Your advice comes from good intentions but you're missing how dangerous things can get when we call for help. We aren't silent bevause we are too dull to understand how to ask for help. We are quiet because in an already risky situation we are willing to take further risks.

I was on board with you until you started shitting on people for not being attacked properly. Give your head a shake.

he had put his hands on her, you would've intervened; but maybe you could have helped earlier and she wouldn't have had to ask for help, etc. also, being proud of her for defending herself is kind patronizing, no?

Any safer and we all will be wearing bubble wrap.

Safest city in Canada per capita. If you think petty theft and verbal harassing is dangerous then you should take a trip to Alberta.

For acknowledging the pain and suffering of another human being especially a woman. Nice to know there are gentleman out there in this city. Well done!!!!

"I want you to know in no uncertain terms that if he put hands on you, I would've intervened." This is the talk of a coward that is too cowardly to confront his self Beta. If you saw something wrong happening to a defenseless stranger..and did nothing...then you certainly wouldn't have intervened anyway. So many men in Vancouver are too weak to stand up.

You do give good praise on the situation. You can understand how someone wouldn't trust stranger's ability to intervene. If people are just sitting there looking scared, what do you expect woman to do?

Next time don't be so Beta. An Alpha would have chewed his ass up before he even got off this bus. lol and I consider myself "soft". But hey I'm from the country.

don't need the help of a lowly male.

Okay, I can see most of you have never been in a real self-defence situation before, or actually dealt with people like that.

What basically happened was the lady came from the back of the bus- the guy was already harassing her, and she moved to the front of the bus to ask the bus driver for help, which he did an excellent job in providing. Then the guy followed her to the front, where I was sitting, and I became aware of the situation. So... sorry for the lack of early intervention...

Military training aside, in situations like that, you have to assess the pros and cons of the situation. Do you really think I could have just attacked him out of the blue without him actually doing something, shouting, or outwardly acting aggressively? Saying something to him at that point would have escalated the situation, and there would have been a fight. How do you think that would've gone for me in court? "Look your honour, he was clearly an asshole and meant her harm, so I did xyz." --> "Did he attack or threaten physical harm?"--> "No..." --> "Would you say you initiated between you and him?"--> "I guess..." -->"Welcome to jail again!". To say nothing of the possibility of them having weapons, etc...

I know some of you might go: "Aha! Saying something would have escalated the situation! See? See??". But I can't say enough how going to someone for help with someone predatory like that, nine times out of ten, de-escalates the situation, because most of the time, those guys don't want to be found out. They WANT their victims to stay quiet and isolated from the crowd, especially if they're following them. If any of you thought I was being patronizing towards women, I'm really sorry. That is not what I intended. I just see it as an unfortunate side effect of cultural conditioning, etc, that women are supposed to be "agreeable", etc and not cause any waves. And I was very happy to see this woman sticking up for herself with behaviour that just wasn't okay. Just my two-cents. All I ask in my defense is this: how do you think that situation would have gone if that woman didn't make a scene and ask for help, especially when he followed her off the bus?

-Karl

P.S: Sorry too for not being "alpha" enough (lol @ the trolling keyboard warrior) and subscribing to your fucked up, Red Pill worldview. Good luck getting laid, fucker.

So far you haven't given any indication that his conduct was "predatory." Just calling all unwanted male conduct "predatory" is pretty stupid. I mean, I've had my mom follow me around asking me to do things, is that "predatory"? Talking to someone isn't predator. Following someone without the intention to eat/rob someone is not predatory, not if it's just to say something. If this is true, the problem is that we cannot really say anything but that every Police Officer is a predator. It's "predation" for a man to talk to a woman? Then what is an arrest for jaywalking or for bringing someone into court to pay a money judgment? And if you want to take on this high-minded "naturalistic" definition of predation, you can't just say "it's not predation because the Parliament approved it," all of these socialist types are forever going on about how "unjust laws are not laws at all," so why can't someone just say "touching me without my consent is unjust"? It seems women can say this about both men and the Government (hands off my body, you can't tell me to have or not have an abortion, G-Man!) but men can't say it about anyone.

"Did he attack or threaten physical harm?"--> "No..."

I mean, if he didn't attack or threaten physical harm, the most you can say is that he was _being annoying_. The idea that men need to "know their station" and "remain silent" when there is a Superior Female Caste Member around is simply insulting.

I have said things to people on the bus if I disagreed with them---playing loud music, swearing, spitting, etc. I mean, there has never been a fight. Well, OK, one time one guy threatened to fight me, but he obviously wouldn't on the bus, he kept telling me to 'be a man and take this outside.' Of course, I just laughed at him.

"women are supposed to be "agreeable", etc and not cause any waves"

This is how everyone is supposed to be. This "stunted empowerment" that makes it OK to be unable to conduct oneself civilly, to deal with normal adult sexual behavior, etc. etc. is simply ridiculous.

So far all you've said is that a guy annoyed a woman on the bus by talking to her persistently. I mean, this is where society already is in the workplace/University, "talk to a woman, if she doesn't like it, she gets you shitcanned." That's not a world I want to live in, it's a Rainbow Fascist dystopia.

Karl came back to mansplain his victim blaming.