Stop wishing, make actual contact

Nothing is worse than falling for a guy struggling to be out. They live so much in fear that they can't communicate directly. Instead, they rely on posting messages and responses in weird anonymous places...like on here. You don't know if it's him or someone else and next thing you know he's mad at you for stuff you didn't post but you can't call him directly to clear up the misunderstanding so you are stuck watching all the progress evaporate. He ends up hating you and getting all sad giving up and you are stuck hoping he finds your apology somewhere amidst all the other miscommunication on here by other guys and gals in similar distress. And you love him for having integrity and yet you want to scream because that same integrity means he won't use any communication so he doesn't arouse suspicion. Fuck me! I get it, though, so I can't judge and I can't find any solution to his satisfaction to accommodate, no matter how hard I try. I feel so helpless. I can't get him to hear me. He's getting it all wrong these days, too. He's missing out on what he wants by believing in the wrong posts and missing the right ones. I refuse to give up on him. I promised no abandonment. I'm just so frustrated. It's the 21st century...shouldn't we be passed this? Aren't there a dozen tech ways out there to be discreet at anyone's disposal? How do you convince someone that this is not communist Russia and the world isn't watching your every move? I just want a simple conversation! FML

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As for communist Russia

Oct 22, 2018 at 12:40pm

We, men of Russia and Eastern Europe in general, do approach women in the streets and this is normal out there. Lolz for communist though

@as

Oct 22, 2018 at 1:31pm

You know what I meant (as in how the history of surveillance in common knowledge). And I wouldn't be surprised to learn that such invasive tactics help uphold the rampant horribly violent homophobia over there (that some ignorant and fslsely-entitled expats bring...and others as refugees escape from... when they come here). We are not like that, even if we still "need work".

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Um.

Oct 22, 2018 at 1:48pm

I think you're over thinking it and too imaginative. How about just waiting patiently for him to come to you or maybe even consider the idea he's not ready nor ever will be.

Honestly, thinking he's reading anonymous posts and then assuming he thinks it's you and then treating you badly because of it is a little...concerning.

Telegram

Oct 22, 2018 at 3:37pm

Used by whistle-blowers, journalists and other "undesirables" worldwide. Banned in a bunch of despotic places.
Erases conversations after they are over. Encrypted end to end. Close to the best you can do. Explicitly designed for this sort of thing.
Good luck persuading someone transcendently paranoid to use it.

@Um

Oct 22, 2018 at 3:39pm

Except that exact thing happened to me. I told my bf that I read this column and sometimes contribute and he used it as leverage to guilt trip me and abuse me. Never tell anyone you use this column. It’s anonymous for a reason!

Up to you

Oct 22, 2018 at 6:02pm

If you told him directly not to speak to you, he will never speak to you directly. If you're married, he is never going to show up at your door to cut in on your family and husband, that is if he actually has a shred of self respect and decency.

If he's even here.

Oct 22, 2018 at 6:34pm

Stop playing games here, and call the guy yourself since you were probably the one that cut off direct lines of communication to begin with. Learn to take some accountability and responsibility like a fucking adult for your actions!

Complicated

Oct 22, 2018 at 6:42pm

I feel for both of you. I assume you’re talking about a relationship you’re pursuing with a married man who hasn’t come out yet. If you’re not in that situation you likely have no idea how hard that would be, and this is coming from a hetero woman. If this man has a family he’s got a lot to lose (at least initially) and it’s not quite as easy as you make it seem. You knew what you were getting into when you got involved with a married man! You’ve got no rights here. You either wait patiently or you move on, but flipping out the way you are isn’t okay.

Anonymous

Oct 22, 2018 at 7:37pm

@@um
What the actual fuck though.

@up to you

Oct 22, 2018 at 7:52pm

Nope. Did no such thing. Opposite, in fact. And I was never one to do the whole show up at the door thing. What the hell would that achieve? Fuck up his life? How is that love? Even in spite, it hurts so many innocent people and that's too messed up. Very complex situation. Neither advocates infidelity, thankfully. He has to reach out. He knows why. Talking is what's on the agenda. Experience knows the importance of it. It has to come from him but once he initiates, he's got support waiting. Not pity support. Camaraderie. I also know he's stoically miserable right now. The worst thing is to stew in one's own mind without an outlet. He's an adult, and I trust him to find his way. I wish he trusted just a wee bit more and allowed himself this much. And the trust part is the hardest. I don't take it personally as it's almost like a rite of passage. I went through something like it, it's kind of freaky when you learn how common it is. It's also really hard. Even basic exploration goes against everything we're taught and programmed...especially from a Christian background, even if you don't feel religious that stuff runs deep, it's so ingrained. The natural go-to is disgust, then resentment, then frustration. It's a lot of zigzagging and small victories towards feeling okay with yourself. You gotta be really strong to deal with stuff like this. The worst is the fear. And spelling it out on here will only undermine him so let's just say his fears are for him to work through and right now his heart is fighting his fears. He's gotta give himself and those who love him more credit. All I can do is be here. I wish I knew the magic words to reach him.

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