City of Vancouver considers removing downtown viaducts, increasing park space

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      When local development consultant Michael Geller went to South Korea for Expo 2012, Vancouver’s viaducts were among the things on his mind. That’s why one of his first stops was a place called Cheonggyecheon.

      Cheonggyecheon is a renowned promenade that’s been hailed as a model of urban renewal. It’s actually an ancient stream that runs through the heart of the capital city of Seoul. But until 2005, the waterway was paved over. An elevated highway ran above it.

      The stream was restored with the removal of the 5.8-kilometre freeway. Cheonggyecheon now attracts local and international visitors for strolls on its banks. Geller was pleased with what he saw.

      “It has really become quite a beautiful walkway through the city,” he told the Georgia Straight in a phone interview on May 29, a day after he returned from South Korea.

      May 29 was also the day when Vancouver city staff released online a concept of what it may look like if the Georgia and Dunsmuir viaducts are torn down.

      The slide presentation talks about the potential of 25.25 acres of park space once the viaducts are gone. It also proposes merging Pacific and Expo boulevards north of the SkyTrain guideway, with a connection to Georgia Street. Carrall Street will run straight to False Creek, connecting people to the water.


      Watch the presentation from the City of Vancouver.

      It’s not just going to be about park space. The demolition of the viaducts will also create new communities. The presentation cites a development potential of approximately 850,000 square feet. It notes that the move will also provide affordable housing opportunities.

      According to Geller, the city-owned lands below and at the eastern end of the viaducts may be a desirable location for a mix of market and nonmarket housing.

      “To create affordable housing, the land does not have any real value,” Geller said. “If you want to create affordable housing, the land would have to be free. For the market housing in this location, however, once the sites are serviced, I think it’s not unreasonable to guess that the land has a value of about $150 per square foot.”

      City councillor Geoff Meggs initiated council’s review of the future of the viaducts in 2009.

      According to the first-term councillor, the two city-owned blocks on either side of Main Street between Union and Prior streets are considered by many as “logical for development”.

      “Those two blocks have room for affordable housing or any number of things,” Meggs told the Straight in a phone interview on May 30. “Their development could facilitate a whole set of objectives.”

      These include making Chinatown whole again. The original Georgia Viaduct was completed in 1915. It was replaced by the current twin viaducts during the 1960s. According to Meggs, this cut off the two blocks bounded by Union and Prior streets from the historic community.

      “My discussions with Chinatown business interests and community leaders have gone well,” Meggs said. “They hope that would reconnect them back down Main Street.”

      Meggs has previously credited architect and urban designer Bing Thom for taking an initial look at the feasibility of removing the viaducts.

      In an interview in November 2009, Thom noted that this action would release at least 100,000 square feet of city land. “If you took four or five city blocks, and if you have the density of let’s say seven, which is what’s in the downtown, and say, ‘Okay, it’s $50 a square foot,’ or whatever, you probably get a few hundred million dollars of real estate,” the architect told the Straight in a phone interview at that time. “That’s just sitting there as a potential, which we could put to better use and create more housing and make things more affordable for working people.”

      It’s still early days. For one thing, according to Meggs, council has to make a final decision about the fate of the viaducts. And as for Geller, he’s interested in costs.

      The city is hosting three open houses about the viaducts from June 5 to 9. Details are available at vancouver.ca/.

      Comments

      31 Comments

      Taxpayers R Us

      May 30, 2012 at 3:23pm

      Holy crap, I just about spit my coffee all over my screen..

      The City of Vancouver (ie Visionless Moonbeam) would have towers going up on this first chance possible. Snuck under the public radar just like the bike lanes and other developments were.

      For those who want park space, you're not going to get it from "The City of Vancouver". They just want more towers and development to pay back their political backers and will change the City's charter (like they already have once), rezone anything (like they have a number of times), and push it all through with bloc voting and cut debate right off (like they have several times.)

      Trust not.

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      Michael Washington

      May 30, 2012 at 4:02pm

      Create affordable housing? Kinda like Olympic Village was supposed to be "affordable housing". And sure it's affordable if you're rich. So basically the City of Vancouver is just trying to find more land they can let their developer buddies build on so they can all get rich, and foot the taxpayers with the bill. Sounds legit.

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      jonny .

      May 30, 2012 at 4:12pm

      stupid government. traffic is already really bad downtown, removing the viaducts will make things so much worse, and you will NEVER get that back. Once developers take over, no highway into downtown will ever be possible.

      And they are lying when they say they are considering park space. They have said before that they want to sell the land to developers and get as much money as possible.

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      Hardworkingman2

      May 30, 2012 at 6:16pm

      Geller is insane. And so predictable of pseudo-eco-planners The so-called revitalization of Vancouver since Expo 86 has left the City of Vancouver with the most unimaginative architecture anywhere on the planet. Before removing more vehicular access to the city, I suggest that the city planners concentrate on dealing with the modern legacy of bland green-glass tower blocks (40% of which are "dark" - owned by off-shore owners but remain physically vacant), ghost town areas of re-urbanization (stroll through the Coal Harbour development area in an evening and see if you can spot more than a dozen people walking around), unused bike lanes and zero quality arts venues. Perhaps the City should concentrate on pleasing the population who already live in the most unimaginative city on earth as opposed to deciding how to expand development in a similar vein.

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      doubletalk

      May 30, 2012 at 6:56pm

      It is a serious mistake to remove the viaducts. Yaletown will be swamped with the over 40,000 cars that pass over the viaducts every day. If it's such a good idea, try a trial run by shutting the viaducts for two weeks and see what a mess you wind up with. Meggs and his developer buddies could care less about the citizens of Vancouver, they just want to sell more condos. Soon downtown will be a miserable place to live because there will be too many people and too few transportation options. I call Bullsh*t!!!!!

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      Oliver Dudzoff

      May 30, 2012 at 7:42pm

      Lets put it to a vote.

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      SPY vs SPY

      May 30, 2012 at 7:50pm

      This is a great idea, if you are a Freaking Idiot.

      OK,

      Demolish half the office towers downtown, charge people from North Van, West Van, Langley, Surrey (you get the idea) $1,000.00 per month to drive to downtown Vancouver to work.

      Or here is a better idea,

      YAH don't live in Vancouver

      YAH don't work in Vancouver.

      The downtown population is now close to 90,000.

      If, I mean when, the Big Earth Quake Hits, just how the F_CK do people get out of the rubble, that was once downtown Vancouver.

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      scathie

      May 30, 2012 at 10:15pm

      "Demolish half the office towers downtown, charge people from North Van, West Van, Langley, Surrey (you get the idea) $1,000.00 per month to drive to downtown Vancouver to work."

      Sounds good to me. I'm tired of subsidizing the bridge and tunnellers.

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      Save Vancouver

      May 30, 2012 at 10:20pm

      "City of Vancouver considers removing downtown viaducts, increasing developer profits"

      Fixed that headline for ya.

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      Plum Duff

      May 30, 2012 at 10:29pm

      doubletalk is right, they closed the viaducts during the Olympics, and I seem to recall it did not go well.

      Removing them permanently would be a big mistake.

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